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		<title>by: Witt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519117</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:25:31 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;loathing the thought of being perceived as racist even as they try to speak up&lt;/i&gt;

I am sure this is a concern for some folks. In my experience, an even more common concern for white progressives is that they will be perceived as troublemakers or scolds for forcing everyone to pay attention to the fact that something might not be fair. We have a powerful urge to believe in equality in this country, which is mostly wonderful but has the downside of making people feel uncomfortable and defensive when actual instances of inequality are pointed out. That creates dissonance between our ideals and reality, and dissonance is uncomfortable. 

There are a lot of ways in which &quot;making a fuss&quot; is viewed derogatorily. Some of them are about prejudice but IMO a lot of them are about extra work. People follow the path of least resistance, whether that is referring a friend for a position on the board of directors, choosing &quot;known&quot; names for a panel discussion, or picking insiders for an op-ed page. 

I don't know anything the selection process for bloggers' credentials. I do know that one important part of helping people in positions of power to restructure their power is by trying to illustrate to them the consequences of their decisions, and I think your post does that with superhuman diplomancy. (The assertive/aggressive tactics are needed, too, of course -- they work in tandem as you pointed out.)

Anyway, thanks. This is not an issue that gets solved overnight -- it needs chipping away all the time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>loathing the thought of being perceived as racist even as they try to speak up</i></p>
	<p>I am sure this is a concern for some folks. In my experience, an even more common concern for white progressives is that they will be perceived as troublemakers or scolds for forcing everyone to pay attention to the fact that something might not be fair. We have a powerful urge to believe in equality in this country, which is mostly wonderful but has the downside of making people feel uncomfortable and defensive when actual instances of inequality are pointed out. That creates dissonance between our ideals and reality, and dissonance is uncomfortable. </p>
	<p>There are a lot of ways in which &#8220;making a fuss&#8221; is viewed derogatorily. Some of them are about prejudice but IMO a lot of them are about extra work. People follow the path of least resistance, whether that is referring a friend for a position on the board of directors, choosing &#8220;known&#8221; names for a panel discussion, or picking insiders for an op-ed page. </p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know anything the selection process for bloggers&#8217; credentials. I do know that one important part of helping people in positions of power to restructure their power is by trying to illustrate to them the consequences of their decisions, and I think your post does that with superhuman diplomancy. (The assertive/aggressive tactics are needed, too, of course &#8212; they work in tandem as you pointed out.)</p>
	<p>Anyway, thanks. This is not an issue that gets solved overnight &#8212; it needs chipping away all the time.
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		<title>by: Foucault</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519057</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:44:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I apologize for my comments in another thread. I think you're an awesome blogger and I'm sure the DNC could use more diversity. This is the only political blog that I read, and part of the reason why is because the people who run it are women and queer (well, Amanda is queer in her own way). :)

And it would be a shame if Pandagon were not represented at the DNC given the size of your readership, the quality of your analysis, and the massive scale of the SCANDALS that your bloggers have triggered. (That is meant to be a compliment).

I don't know who to contact to request more diverse coverage, but I would be happy to sign a petition or e-mail someone, or phone them.   

I dislike the Huffington Post because it seems like the posters and commentators all think alike. I never bother with Daily Kos. Pandagon or bust, for me. I hope they will reconsider and let more people in.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I apologize for my comments in another thread. I think you&#8217;re an awesome blogger and I&#8217;m sure the DNC could use more diversity. This is the only political blog that I read, and part of the reason why is because the people who run it are women and queer (well, Amanda is queer in her own way). <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>And it would be a shame if Pandagon were not represented at the DNC given the size of your readership, the quality of your analysis, and the massive scale of the SCANDALS that your bloggers have triggered. (That is meant to be a compliment).</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know who to contact to request more diverse coverage, but I would be happy to sign a petition or e-mail someone, or phone them.   </p>
	<p>I dislike the Huffington Post because it seems like the posters and commentators all think alike. I never bother with Daily Kos. Pandagon or bust, for me. I hope they will reconsider and let more people in.
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		<title>by: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519054</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:31:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>One of the three bloggers from the Maryland blog, centerforemergingmedia.com, is apparently a woman of color.  I asked:

http://www.centerforemergingmedia.com/forums/current-events/cem-democratic-convention-blogging-corps

Knowing some of the founding members' credentials, I was not surprised that they didn't forget women and nonwhites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One of the three bloggers from the Maryland blog, centerforemergingmedia.com, is apparently a woman of color.  I asked:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.centerforemergingmedia.com/forums/current-events/cem-democratic-convention-blogging-corps' rel='nofollow'>http://www.centerforemergingmedia.com/forums/current-events/cem-democratic-convention-blogging-corps</a></p>
	<p>Knowing some of the founding members&#8217; credentials, I was not surprised that they didn&#8217;t forget women and nonwhites.
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		<title>by: liberalrob</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519043</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:02:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>After perusing the list at the link, I've heard of probably three of the 55 blogs listed (Burnt Orange Report being the Texas &quot;state blog,&quot; I guess I'll have to start hanging out over there more).  I don't think I'd be able to convince my mom to read &quot;My Left Nutmeg&quot; (Connecticut's blog), and &quot;Blue Mass. Group&quot; is probably a candidate for a future lawsuit if they ever hit the big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>After perusing the list at the link, I&#8217;ve heard of probably three of the 55 blogs listed (Burnt Orange Report being the Texas &#8220;state blog,&#8221; I guess I&#8217;ll have to start hanging out over there more).  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be able to convince my mom to read &#8220;My Left Nutmeg&#8221; (Connecticut&#8217;s blog), and &#8220;Blue Mass. Group&#8221; is probably a candidate for a future lawsuit if they ever hit the big time.
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		<title>by: liberalrob</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519041</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:54:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>There are &quot;state blogs?&quot;  Off the top of my head I'm only aware of TexasKAOS (a Kos/MyDD spinoff) and maybe Burnt Orange report, and those are blogs I sporadically read at best (I've only checked out Burnt Orange once or twice, ever).  That's in the Great State of Texas.

Could it be that the lack of participation in this thread is due to people not really knowing what all the fuss is about, since they are unaware of &quot;state blogs&quot; in general?

What is a &quot;state blog?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There are &#8220;state blogs?&#8221;  Off the top of my head I&#8217;m only aware of TexasKAOS (a Kos/MyDD spinoff) and maybe Burnt Orange report, and those are blogs I sporadically read at best (I&#8217;ve only checked out Burnt Orange once or twice, ever).  That&#8217;s in the Great State of Texas.</p>
	<p>Could it be that the lack of participation in this thread is due to people not really knowing what all the fuss is about, since they are unaware of &#8220;state blogs&#8221; in general?</p>
	<p>What is a &#8220;state blog?&#8221;
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		<title>by: RP</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/27/my-call-from-the-dncc-on-blogger-credentials-for-denver-convention/#comment-519038</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:31:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Soulhuntre&quot;&gt;“by a respected Afrospear blogger…”

I am thinking you meant “afrosphere” not “afrospear”? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I believe she meant &quot;afrospear&quot;.  If you Google that term, you will find the Afrospear blog and explanation of that term.  You should probably Google a term before you correct someone's usage of it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote cite="Soulhuntre"><p>“by a respected Afrospear blogger…”</p>
	<p>I am thinking you meant “afrosphere” not “afrospear”? </p></blockquote>
	<p>No, I believe she meant &#8220;afrospear&#8221;.  If you Google that term, you will find the Afrospear blog and explanation of that term.  You should probably Google a term before you correct someone&#8217;s usage of it&#8230;
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:12:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't really understand what they are doing, but what about 2 state bloggers from each state, one chosen for blog size, the other for diversity?  After all, I've heard complaints before about minorities' blogs (and women's blogs) being less likely to be linked to, and therefore having more trouble finding readers. Being the official blogger of a big event could help a smaller blog grow, and therefore make it easier to find diversity in popular blogs in the future. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t really understand what they are doing, but what about 2 state bloggers from each state, one chosen for blog size, the other for diversity?  After all, I&#8217;ve heard complaints before about minorities&#8217; blogs (and women&#8217;s blogs) being less likely to be linked to, and therefore having more trouble finding readers. Being the official blogger of a big event could help a smaller blog grow, and therefore make it easier to find diversity in popular blogs in the future.
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		<title>by: Soulhuntre</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:11:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;by a respected Afrospear blogger...&quot;

I am thinking you meant &quot;afrosphere&quot; not &quot;afrospear&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;by a respected Afrospear blogger&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>I am thinking you meant &#8220;afrosphere&#8221; not &#8220;afrospear&#8221;?
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		<title>by: Tlazolteotl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:05:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam, 

I will just say as an observer, I really respect how you are going about this.  By pointing out the problems in selection, you illustrate some problems that need to be addressed.  It means some white folks are going to have to do more work searching out POC bloggers, frankly.  I'm sorry you're getting this reaction, because I think you're being extremely respectful (and you're right that this works hand-in-hand with someone who is more in-your-face about issues). I've always felt that if POC point this stuff out, they are going to extra effort to bridge a gap, and the proper response is usually reflection and appreciation if you're a person of goodwill.  Meaning, if we really agree that more voices from diverse points of view really make for a better 'product.'

Underrepresentation of many POC in these new 'technologies' isn't new and is widespread throughout our society, as you also point out, so it's really something the Democratic party should be interested in in a wider way.  I imagine this is only too familiar a scenario to a black lesbian IT professional!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pam, </p>
	<p>I will just say as an observer, I really respect how you are going about this.  By pointing out the problems in selection, you illustrate some problems that need to be addressed.  It means some white folks are going to have to do more work searching out POC bloggers, frankly.  I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re getting this reaction, because I think you&#8217;re being extremely respectful (and you&#8217;re right that this works hand-in-hand with someone who is more in-your-face about issues). I&#8217;ve always felt that if POC point this stuff out, they are going to extra effort to bridge a gap, and the proper response is usually reflection and appreciation if you&#8217;re a person of goodwill.  Meaning, if we really agree that more voices from diverse points of view really make for a better &#8216;product.&#8217;</p>
	<p>Underrepresentation of many POC in these new &#8216;technologies&#8217; isn&#8217;t new and is widespread throughout our society, as you also point out, so it&#8217;s really something the Democratic party should be interested in in a wider way.  I imagine this is only too familiar a scenario to a black lesbian IT professional!
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		<title>by: mattw</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:29 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I actually don't think that asking that the DNCC show that there will be at least 15 bloggers of color on the floor is that unreasonable, actually -- what's objectionable is that FLH wants the ability to say who does and doesn't count as a POC. 

I'd be willing to bet that there are already 15+ from the list of state bloggers already credentialed, and I bet Aaron et al would be delighted to get a list together if it meant the end of &quot;Jim Crow Democrats&quot; stories in the Washington Post for the rest of the summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I actually don&#8217;t think that asking that the DNCC show that there will be at least 15 bloggers of color on the floor is that unreasonable, actually &#8212; what&#8217;s objectionable is that FLH wants the ability to say who does and doesn&#8217;t count as a POC. </p>
	<p>I&#8217;d be willing to bet that there are already 15+ from the list of state bloggers already credentialed, and I bet Aaron et al would be delighted to get a list together if it meant the end of &#8220;Jim Crow Democrats&#8221; stories in the Washington Post for the rest of the summer.
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