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		<title>by: CParis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516837</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:03:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I have the solution for the GOP in 2008.  Noonan literally got the vapours over President Chimpy McFlightsuit when he landed on the aircraft carrier &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot; back in 2003. 

Time to man up, GOP weenies.  Get your special GOP- issued codpiece, exclusively designed to distract voters from noticing that you've spent that past decade totally fucking up the country!

Instead of worrying about whether they'll be able to put food on their family or if their children is learning - they'll be watching FauxNews, endlessly debating who has the biggest dick (and is it real or enhanced).  I smell victory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have the solution for the GOP in 2008.  Noonan literally got the vapours over President Chimpy McFlightsuit when he landed on the aircraft carrier &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221; back in 2003. </p>
	<p>Time to man up, GOP weenies.  Get your special GOP- issued codpiece, exclusively designed to distract voters from noticing that you&#8217;ve spent that past decade totally fucking up the country!</p>
	<p>Instead of worrying about whether they&#8217;ll be able to put food on their family or if their children is learning - they&#8217;ll be watching FauxNews, endlessly debating who has the biggest dick (and is it real or enhanced).  I smell victory!
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		<title>by: Hekie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516757</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:31:30 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I hate the whole &quot;one person from minority group represents entire group&quot; thing.  I was part of a conversation just the other day where someone was painting with broadass and ridiculous strokes.  I'm reasonably sure that most women can relate to it because even though White women won't have to deal with it because of their skin colour, I'm sure that most have had that experience of being the one woman in the group and feeling the pressure to not make the whole gender look stupid/weak/whatever.  I work in IT and there aren't many women (although that's changing and the women who are there are almost all in leadership roles) and I have this happen all the time, so it must be hella stressful feeling like you're representing a race.

Also, it really is considered so much ruder these days to call someone racist than to actually be racist.  I've told a lot of people my age (20s) lately not to use the n-word - there's been a really disturbing increase in it's usage, which I'm assuming is down to people spelling it &quot;n*gga&quot;, mainly in songs.  I live in New Zealand so we don't have the same history of the word, but I've heard it dropped by management in a business meeting for gods' sakes.  I call it out, but you're looked at like you're insane (and a prissy woman, see above re. IT work) and it is insane that we are at the point where people are dropping this word left, right and centre and the person complaining about it is the nutsack.  I also had a run in on an online message board on which I was a regular, and when I called someone out for blatant racism and homophobia I ended up being attacked by a number of other members, presumably because I had the temerity to rock the cradle and point out the racist, homophobic elephant in the room.  I don't post there anymore; not a safe space.  I'm pretty much disgusted by most people's attitudes to race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hate the whole &#8220;one person from minority group represents entire group&#8221; thing.  I was part of a conversation just the other day where someone was painting with broadass and ridiculous strokes.  I&#8217;m reasonably sure that most women can relate to it because even though White women won&#8217;t have to deal with it because of their skin colour, I&#8217;m sure that most have had that experience of being the one woman in the group and feeling the pressure to not make the whole gender look stupid/weak/whatever.  I work in IT and there aren&#8217;t many women (although that&#8217;s changing and the women who are there are almost all in leadership roles) and I have this happen all the time, so it must be hella stressful feeling like you&#8217;re representing a race.</p>
	<p>Also, it really is considered so much ruder these days to call someone racist than to actually be racist.  I&#8217;ve told a lot of people my age (20s) lately not to use the n-word - there&#8217;s been a really disturbing increase in it&#8217;s usage, which I&#8217;m assuming is down to people spelling it &#8220;n*gga&#8221;, mainly in songs.  I live in New Zealand so we don&#8217;t have the same history of the word, but I&#8217;ve heard it dropped by management in a business meeting for gods&#8217; sakes.  I call it out, but you&#8217;re looked at like you&#8217;re insane (and a prissy woman, see above re. IT work) and it is insane that we are at the point where people are dropping this word left, right and centre and the person complaining about it is the nutsack.  I also had a run in on an online message board on which I was a regular, and when I called someone out for blatant racism and homophobia I ended up being attacked by a number of other members, presumably because I had the temerity to rock the cradle and point out the racist, homophobic elephant in the room.  I don&#8217;t post there anymore; not a safe space.  I&#8217;m pretty much disgusted by most people&#8217;s attitudes to race.
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		<title>by: Ben Alpers</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516701</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 12:12:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Of course, it’s not ideal, but let’s face it - it’s better than 4-more years of NeoCon lunacy.&lt;/i&gt;

I totally agree, MikeEss.

I was just saying that an Obama presidency's successes and failures will have little or nothing to do with &quot;the Left,&quot; so there's no point saying that they will. The Left isn't even a part of the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Of course, it’s not ideal, but let’s face it - it’s better than 4-more years of NeoCon lunacy.</i></p>
	<p>I totally agree, MikeEss.</p>
	<p>I was just saying that an Obama presidency&#8217;s successes and failures will have little or nothing to do with &#8220;the Left,&#8221; so there&#8217;s no point saying that they will. The Left isn&#8217;t even a part of the conversation.
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		<title>by: has_te</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516690</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 11:31:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This...
&lt;blockquote&gt;the next president and Congress won’t be able to patch all the holes in this damaged ship to get it home and placed in drydock for repairs quickly enough to satisfy the desperate need for this nightmare to end. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
is SO critical.

That fact needs to be shouted from the rooftops, broadcast -constantly- everywhere, posted ubiquitously, repeated ad nauseum
and &lt;i&gt;oft spoke&lt;/i&gt;, even...too.

This fundie/Zioconic mess is a wreck beyond any dystopian imagining, I sometimes..&lt;i&gt;quag&lt;/i&gt;mired then in pessimism and hopelessness.. doomthink.

But be damned damned and fu*ckin' sure too that &lt;b&gt;EVERYONE&lt;/b&gt; in America knows it and maybe? even votes it.

And maybe one of the good guys WONT timeliwise get the great ship back into drydock...
but he or she can sure as hell avoid that bloody iceberg.</description>
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	<blockquote><p>the next president and Congress won’t be able to patch all the holes in this damaged ship to get it home and placed in drydock for repairs quickly enough to satisfy the desperate need for this nightmare to end. </p></blockquote>
	<p>is SO critical.</p>
	<p>That fact needs to be shouted from the rooftops, broadcast -constantly- everywhere, posted ubiquitously, repeated ad nauseum<br />
and <i>oft spoke</i>, even&#8230;too.</p>
	<p>This fundie/Zioconic mess is a wreck beyond any dystopian imagining, I sometimes..<i>quag</i>mired then in pessimism and hopelessness.. doomthink.</p>
	<p>But be damned damned and fu*ckin&#8217; sure too that <b>EVERYONE</b> in America knows it and maybe? even votes it.</p>
	<p>And maybe one of the good guys WONT timeliwise get the great ship back into drydock&#8230;<br />
but he or she can sure as hell avoid that bloody iceberg.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516668</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 10:24:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>they are not in charge any more in 2012. All they can do is react, not dictate the tempo.


so.

1. They have to deal with Democratic agenda
2. They have to deal with new campaign regulation (ability to raise money)
3. They probably have to deal with new media regulation (TV, radio, and internet) will be different.


If I were Dem's the power that be. I will start snuffing their money beast. Slay the evangelicals and K-street, neocons. (All sort of investigations. Republican leadership will have nothing left by 2012. Take down, the young and smart one. Leave the stupid/old/corrupt in place to rot the party further.)

But first order of business. Obama has to win, then clean up the corrupt Dems in congress. Republican will kill each other soon enough. (already they are so afraid and won't pass Bush latest budget.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>they are not in charge any more in 2012. All they can do is react, not dictate the tempo.</p>
	<p>so.</p>
	<p>1. They have to deal with Democratic agenda<br />
2. They have to deal with new campaign regulation (ability to raise money)<br />
3. They probably have to deal with new media regulation (TV, radio, and internet) will be different.</p>
	<p>If I were Dem&#8217;s the power that be. I will start snuffing their money beast. Slay the evangelicals and K-street, neocons. (All sort of investigations. Republican leadership will have nothing left by 2012. Take down, the young and smart one. Leave the stupid/old/corrupt in place to rot the party further.)</p>
	<p>But first order of business. Obama has to win, then clean up the corrupt Dems in congress. Republican will kill each other soon enough. (already they are so afraid and won&#8217;t pass Bush latest budget.)
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		<title>by: Broce</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516665</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 10:01:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that the Republicans would *love* to see the Democrats take the whole ball of wax this time, because it's someone to blame. A four year Democratic administration, a la Jimmy Carter, who gets blamed for the mess the Republicans left for him to clean up, followed by another 20-30 years of Republican rule. 

I do think you're right about what Obama would face as the first POC in the White House, and I think Clinton would face a similar issue in being the first woman - their success or failure will definitely impact those who follow. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree that the Republicans would *love* to see the Democrats take the whole ball of wax this time, because it&#8217;s someone to blame. A four year Democratic administration, a la Jimmy Carter, who gets blamed for the mess the Republicans left for him to clean up, followed by another 20-30 years of Republican rule. </p>
	<p>I do think you&#8217;re right about what Obama would face as the first POC in the White House, and I think Clinton would face a similar issue in being the first woman - their success or failure will definitely impact those who follow.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516659</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:51:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;If Obama wins, voters will be giving “New Democratic,” “Third Way” centrism another try.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, it's not ideal, but let's face it - it's better than 4-more years of NeoCon lunacy.  

And if Obama is even slightly more progressive than Bill Clinton, so much the better.  And in the wake of Republican disaster, a window of opportunity is open.  

Electoral and legislative success will not be handed to us on a silver platter.  But nothing worth having is easy to get...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;If Obama wins, voters will be giving “New Democratic,” “Third Way” centrism another try.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>Of course, it&#8217;s not ideal, but let&#8217;s face it - it&#8217;s better than 4-more years of NeoCon lunacy.  </p>
	<p>And if Obama is even slightly more progressive than Bill Clinton, so much the better.  And in the wake of Republican disaster, a window of opportunity is open.  </p>
	<p>Electoral and legislative success will not be handed to us on a silver platter.  But nothing worth having is easy to get&#8230;
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		<title>by: Matt, Viceroy of Spare Ribs and Pez</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516658</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:42:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.&quot; -- John K. Galbraith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The modern conservative is engaged in one of man&#8217;s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.&#8221; &#8212; John K. Galbraith
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		<title>by: Ben Alpers</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516657</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:38:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;The Left now has its (thin) chance to demonstrate the value of its philosophy and ideas. If they blow it this time, we might as well just have a dictatorship and finish burying the “American experiment”…&lt;/i&gt;

Let's be honest about who (might) come into office in January, MikeEss.

It won't even be the left-wing of the Democratic Party (represented by people like Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee), let alone &quot;the Left&quot; (e.g. Noam Chomsky and Naomi Klein).

If Obama wins, voters will be giving &quot;New Democratic,&quot; &quot;Third Way&quot; centrism another try. 

If these ideas fail, here's hoping the various actual Lefts get a little more assertive rather than simply circling the wagons and defending this lesser evil.  And before they fail, I think it behooves us on the actual Left to make it clear that our ideas are not even being considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Left now has its (thin) chance to demonstrate the value of its philosophy and ideas. If they blow it this time, we might as well just have a dictatorship and finish burying the “American experiment”…</i></p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s be honest about who (might) come into office in January, MikeEss.</p>
	<p>It won&#8217;t even be the left-wing of the Democratic Party (represented by people like Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee), let alone &#8220;the Left&#8221; (e.g. Noam Chomsky and Naomi Klein).</p>
	<p>If Obama wins, voters will be giving &#8220;New Democratic,&#8221; &#8220;Third Way&#8221; centrism another try. </p>
	<p>If these ideas fail, here&#8217;s hoping the various actual Lefts get a little more assertive rather than simply circling the wagons and defending this lesser evil.  And before they fail, I think it behooves us on the actual Left to make it clear that our ideas are not even being considered.
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		<title>by: seeker6079</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/the-republican-2012-game-plan/#comment-516656</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 08:34:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree MikeEss.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2007/12/big-con-disability-edition.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert Farley over at LMG had it 100% correct&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Modern conservatism is built around the idea that collective, government sponsored solutions to social problems can't work, and operates by making certain that those solutions won't work.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree MikeEss.  <a href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2007/12/big-con-disability-edition.html" rel="nofollow">Robert Farley over at LMG had it 100% correct</a> :<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Modern conservatism is built around the idea that collective, government sponsored solutions to social problems can&#8217;t work, and operates by making certain that those solutions won&#8217;t work.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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