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		<title>by: Captain Slack</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/good-old-republican-obama-edwards-fag-baiting-wapo-op-ed/#comment-517076</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 06:55:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Let's be nice to poor Mitchforth. I read all the way back to his first blog entry, and it can't be easy &lt;i&gt;actually being&lt;/i&gt; the &quot;lifelong Democrat&quot; that so many yoostabees say they yoostabee.

On second thought, let's &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be nice to his 99.44% fact-free outpourings of sneers and adjectives. It only encourages his delusions of existence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s be nice to poor Mitchforth. I read all the way back to his first blog entry, and it can&#8217;t be easy <i>actually being</i> the &#8220;lifelong Democrat&#8221; that so many yoostabees say they yoostabee.</p>
	<p>On second thought, let&#8217;s <i>not</i> be nice to his 99.44% fact-free outpourings of sneers and adjectives. It only encourages his delusions of existence.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:56:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, I think I figured out where this particular Mitchforth rant came from.  Apparently the Tennessee Republicans have a web commercial featuring &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_el_pr/obama_wife&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Obama.&lt;/a&gt;  These are the same guys who were sending out press releases about &quot;Barack HUSSEIN Obama,&quot; so they're clearly full of class.

I guess the Republicans know they can't run successfully against Democratic policies or Democratic candidates, so they'll have to blow out-of-context comments out of proportion to try and get it close enough to steal.  You could almost feel sorry for their pathetic thrashings if they weren't such assholes about it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ah, I think I figured out where this particular Mitchforth rant came from.  Apparently the Tennessee Republicans have a web commercial featuring <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_el_pr/obama_wife" rel="nofollow">Michelle Obama.</a>  These are the same guys who were sending out press releases about &#8220;Barack HUSSEIN Obama,&#8221; so they&#8217;re clearly full of class.</p>
	<p>I guess the Republicans know they can&#8217;t run successfully against Democratic policies or Democratic candidates, so they&#8217;ll have to blow out-of-context comments out of proportion to try and get it close enough to steal.  You could almost feel sorry for their pathetic thrashings if they weren&#8217;t such assholes about it all.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:47:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What are you smoking, and where can I get some of it?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Oh sure.  It SEEMS like a fun thing to do, but what if you turn into one of those undead wingnut Koolaid drinkers?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;What are you smoking, and where can I get some of it?&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>Oh sure.  It SEEMS like a fun thing to do, but what if you turn into one of those undead wingnut Koolaid drinkers?&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:42:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Geez, it was bad enough to have to deal with the idiocies of Mitchforth at Feministe -- now he's slithered over here, too.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever heard such relentless negativity from someone who is campaigning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, because everything is going &lt;i&gt;so well&lt;/i&gt; in America right now.  Gas is 50 cents a gallon, every American has an affordable mortgage, and the Iraqis really did welcome us with flowers and candy and all of our troops are safely home.  We're living through a time of unprecedented peace, prosperity and equality, so all of this negative campaigning is just coming out of nowhere.

What are you smoking, and where can I get some of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Geez, it was bad enough to have to deal with the idiocies of Mitchforth at Feministe &#8212; now he&#8217;s slithered over here, too.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever heard such relentless negativity from someone who is campaigning.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Yes, because everything is going <i>so well</i> in America right now.  Gas is 50 cents a gallon, every American has an affordable mortgage, and the Iraqis really did welcome us with flowers and candy and all of our troops are safely home.  We&#8217;re living through a time of unprecedented peace, prosperity and equality, so all of this negative campaigning is just coming out of nowhere.</p>
	<p>What are you smoking, and where can I get some of it?
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		<title>by: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:02:52 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>MikeEss:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“McCain is correct that a unilateral withdrawal right now would result in the collapse of the infrastructure that’s been built there, and a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, with the end result being the extermination by genocide of the Sunnis and Iran consolidating power over the region.”&lt;/i&gt;

That is so lunatic, there really isn’t much to say. The political and physical landscape of Iraq, as currently constituted, will be virtually identical if we leave today or in 5-10-20-etc. years. The only difference will be that American families will not be senselessly losing their young men and women in a pointless and evil occupation…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And of course, it goes almost without saying (although it can't be stressed enough) that however Iraq is screwed up &amp;mdash; whether or not McCain actually believes what you say he believes, or is right about it if indeed he does &amp;mdash; &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;IT'S OUR FAULT&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.

Back in 2001, Iraq may very well have been a totalitarian dictatorship run by a man who ten years previously implicitly insulted the size of Daddy Bush's penis, but at least it was a &lt;i&gt;stable&lt;/i&gt; totalitarian dictatorship run by a man who ten years previously implicitly insulted the size of Daddy Bush's penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>MikeEss:</p>
	<blockquote><p><i>“McCain is correct that a unilateral withdrawal right now would result in the collapse of the infrastructure that’s been built there, and a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, with the end result being the extermination by genocide of the Sunnis and Iran consolidating power over the region.”</i></p>
	<p>That is so lunatic, there really isn’t much to say. The political and physical landscape of Iraq, as currently constituted, will be virtually identical if we leave today or in 5-10-20-etc. years. The only difference will be that American families will not be senselessly losing their young men and women in a pointless and evil occupation…</p></blockquote>
	<p>And of course, it goes almost without saying (although it can&#8217;t be stressed enough) that however Iraq is screwed up &mdash; whether or not McCain actually believes what you say he believes, or is right about it if indeed he does &mdash; <i><b>IT&#8217;S OUR FAULT</b></i>.</p>
	<p>Back in 2001, Iraq may very well have been a totalitarian dictatorship run by a man who ten years previously implicitly insulted the size of Daddy Bush&#8217;s penis, but at least it was a <i>stable</i> totalitarian dictatorship run by a man who ten years previously implicitly insulted the size of Daddy Bush&#8217;s penis.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/good-old-republican-obama-edwards-fag-baiting-wapo-op-ed/#comment-516915</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 08:12:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;You’re obviously a rabid ideologue and probably mentally ill.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I see your capacity for projection is undiminished.  I guess that's one Reichwing quality that is infinitely renewable...


&lt;i&gt;&quot;But I can’t understand how even someone with your limited capacities...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...thanks for the compliment!...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...can’t see the inherent inconsistencies between your habit of viewing every criticism of the Obamas as racially motivated hate speech, and the vicious invective you spew about McCain.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I'll tell you what.  As soon as I see a serious attack on Barack that doesn't explicitly or implicitly involve his genetics, I will treat it as such.   

(FYI, Michelle Obama is NOT running for office, and is NOT a valid target for attack.  I have only brought up Cindy McCains's money - as used to promote her husband's campaign - in this discussion, not any of the myriad of other juicy topics she could be attacked on.  You may think I'm a &quot;rabid ideologue&quot;, but I do believe there are fair and unfair attacks...)

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama is certainly looking to throw McCain in the river with the George W. cinder block chained around his neck in November...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...as well he should...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...but he would never go as far as bloggers routinely go in conflating the two or in vilifying McCain.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You really seem to believe:  

#1 Obama isn't very smart.  Where you get that is a mystery, especially considering he was NOT only able to get into Harvard as a legacy.  Don't look at people and assume they are as stupid as George W. Bush.  A majority of this planet could outperform GWB in a test of mental capacity.  Of course Obama will attack him mercilessly.  As well he should.

#2 Somehow there is this extreme gap between McCain and Bush that bloggers are papering over.  WTF?  The two men may hate each other personally, but their political positions are not very different at all.  Moreover, McCain has basically sacrificed any actual differences in order to get the Republican nomination.  He has transformed himself into Bush's older adopted brother to get his last shot at POTUS...

&lt;i&gt;&quot;By contrast, McCain is personally friendly with a number of prominent Democrats, including Joe Lieberman, Russ Feingold and Hillary Clinton. He has worked tirelessly on bipartisan legislation, and his efforts to reform the mechanisms by which wealth corrupts politics should be admired by anyone who believes the very rich have too much power.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

To the extent that McCain was serious about &quot;reaching across the aisle&quot;, that man is dead, executed in the service of McCain's run for POTUS.  (BTW, NEVER mention Joe LIEberman as an example of a Democrat.  If he was one once, he sold it all to cling to his miserable senate seat long ago.)  &quot;Bipartisan&quot;, which used to have meaning many years ago, is merely an empty word that currently that means &quot;give the Rethugs what they want, or else&quot;.  You don't seem to be very attentive, Mitchforth.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;McCain is correct that a unilateral withdrawal right now would result in the collapse of the infrastructure that’s been built there, and a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, with the end result being the extermination by genocide of the Sunnis and Iran consolidating power over the region.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That is so lunatic, there really isn't much to say.  The political and physical landscape of Iraq, as currently constituted, will be virtually identical if we leave today or in 5-10-20-etc. years.  The only difference will be that American families will not be senselessly losing their young men and women in a pointless and evil occupation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;You’re obviously a rabid ideologue and probably mentally ill.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>I see your capacity for projection is undiminished.  I guess that&#8217;s one Reichwing quality that is infinitely renewable&#8230;</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;But I can’t understand how even someone with your limited capacities&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>&#8230;thanks for the compliment!&#8230;</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;can’t see the inherent inconsistencies between your habit of viewing every criticism of the Obamas as racially motivated hate speech, and the vicious invective you spew about McCain.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what.  As soon as I see a serious attack on Barack that doesn&#8217;t explicitly or implicitly involve his genetics, I will treat it as such.   </p>
	<p>(FYI, Michelle Obama is NOT running for office, and is NOT a valid target for attack.  I have only brought up Cindy McCains&#8217;s money - as used to promote her husband&#8217;s campaign - in this discussion, not any of the myriad of other juicy topics she could be attacked on.  You may think I&#8217;m a &#8220;rabid ideologue&#8221;, but I do believe there are fair and unfair attacks&#8230;)</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;Obama is certainly looking to throw McCain in the river with the George W. cinder block chained around his neck in November&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>&#8230;as well he should&#8230;</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;but he would never go as far as bloggers routinely go in conflating the two or in vilifying McCain.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>You really seem to believe:  </p>
	<p>#1 Obama isn&#8217;t very smart.  Where you get that is a mystery, especially considering he was NOT only able to get into Harvard as a legacy.  Don&#8217;t look at people and assume they are as stupid as George W. Bush.  A majority of this planet could outperform GWB in a test of mental capacity.  Of course Obama will attack him mercilessly.  As well he should.</p>
	<p>#2 Somehow there is this extreme gap between McCain and Bush that bloggers are papering over.  WTF?  The two men may hate each other personally, but their political positions are not very different at all.  Moreover, McCain has basically sacrificed any actual differences in order to get the Republican nomination.  He has transformed himself into Bush&#8217;s older adopted brother to get his last shot at POTUS&#8230;</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;By contrast, McCain is personally friendly with a number of prominent Democrats, including Joe Lieberman, Russ Feingold and Hillary Clinton. He has worked tirelessly on bipartisan legislation, and his efforts to reform the mechanisms by which wealth corrupts politics should be admired by anyone who believes the very rich have too much power.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>To the extent that McCain was serious about &#8220;reaching across the aisle&#8221;, that man is dead, executed in the service of McCain&#8217;s run for POTUS.  (BTW, NEVER mention Joe LIEberman as an example of a Democrat.  If he was one once, he sold it all to cling to his miserable senate seat long ago.)  &#8220;Bipartisan&#8221;, which used to have meaning many years ago, is merely an empty word that currently that means &#8220;give the Rethugs what they want, or else&#8221;.  You don&#8217;t seem to be very attentive, Mitchforth.</p>
	<p><i>&#8220;McCain is correct that a unilateral withdrawal right now would result in the collapse of the infrastructure that’s been built there, and a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, with the end result being the extermination by genocide of the Sunnis and Iran consolidating power over the region.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>That is so lunatic, there really isn&#8217;t much to say.  The political and physical landscape of Iraq, as currently constituted, will be virtually identical if we leave today or in 5-10-20-etc. years.  The only difference will be that American families will not be senselessly losing their young men and women in a pointless and evil occupation&#8230;
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		<title>by: The Opoponax</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:17:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t think the Obamas are particularly underprivileged... Michelle Obama has never had an opportunity closed off to her for economic reasons, and that’s the best definition of “privilege” I can think of.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, so I don't know if you knew this, but Michelle Obama's parents were a low-level civil servant and a secretary.  She grew up on the south side of Chicago.  We're not talking about a scion of privilege, here.  

That's what gets me about all the Republican talk about people like the Obamas and the Edwardses being &quot;elitists&quot;.  These are people who have generations of extreme wealth behind them dubbing &quot;overprivileged elitists&quot; people who have been able to fulfill the so-called American dream of 'pulling yourself up by your bootstraps'.  

Which leads me to wonder how the rank and file of the Republican party can actually buy the idea that their bazillionaire overlords actually have their economic interests in mind.  You think they hate Barack and Michelle for having the nerve to finagle themselves world-class educations despite modest backgrounds?  Wait till they get a load of you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I don’t think the Obamas are particularly underprivileged&#8230; Michelle Obama has never had an opportunity closed off to her for economic reasons, and that’s the best definition of “privilege” I can think of.</i></p>
	<p>Hey, so I don&#8217;t know if you knew this, but Michelle Obama&#8217;s parents were a low-level civil servant and a secretary.  She grew up on the south side of Chicago.  We&#8217;re not talking about a scion of privilege, here.  </p>
	<p>That&#8217;s what gets me about all the Republican talk about people like the Obamas and the Edwardses being &#8220;elitists&#8221;.  These are people who have generations of extreme wealth behind them dubbing &#8220;overprivileged elitists&#8221; people who have been able to fulfill the so-called American dream of &#8216;pulling yourself up by your bootstraps&#8217;.  </p>
	<p>Which leads me to wonder how the rank and file of the Republican party can actually buy the idea that their bazillionaire overlords actually have their economic interests in mind.  You think they hate Barack and Michelle for having the nerve to finagle themselves world-class educations despite modest backgrounds?  Wait till they get a load of you&#8230;
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		<title>by: Tyro</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:10:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re obviously a rabid ideologue and probably mentally ill&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yo, Mitchforth, speak for yourself.

&lt;blockquote&gt;McCain has a son serving in Iraq, and I don’t believe he comes to his positions on the issue frivolously.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Actually, I don't believe he came to his position frivolously as much as emotionally. He believes that staying and fighting in Iraq is a &quot;point of honor&quot; and that pulling out would be &quot;bad for morale,&quot; by which he means his ego. McCain isn't a hypocrite, or doesn't have the courage of his convictions. It's just that his ideology and convictions are &lt;i&gt;bad ones&lt;/i&gt;, more concerned with emotional issues related to the importance of fighting rather than what's in the US's strategic interests. For him, fighting a war isn't a last resort with enormous costs: it's an end in and of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>You’re obviously a rabid ideologue and probably mentally ill</blockquote>
Yo, Mitchforth, speak for yourself.</p>
	<blockquote><p>McCain has a son serving in Iraq, and I don’t believe he comes to his positions on the issue frivolously.</blockquote>
Actually, I don&#8217;t believe he came to his position frivolously as much as emotionally. He believes that staying and fighting in Iraq is a &#8220;point of honor&#8221; and that pulling out would be &#8220;bad for morale,&#8221; by which he means his ego. McCain isn&#8217;t a hypocrite, or doesn&#8217;t have the courage of his convictions. It&#8217;s just that his ideology and convictions are <i>bad ones</i>, more concerned with emotional issues related to the importance of fighting rather than what&#8217;s in the US&#8217;s strategic interests. For him, fighting a war isn&#8217;t a last resort with enormous costs: it&#8217;s an end in and of itself.
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		<title>by: Jeffrey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:39:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>That picture always reminds me of Febreze. It eliminates even the stench of failure!</description>
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		<title>by: Nenya, Vala of Peanut-Butter Cookies</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:49:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>A civil war &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; result? Anyone been looking at the news for the last three years?</description>
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