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	<title>Comments on: Compulsory heterosexuality: It&#8217;s on your permanent record</title>
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-517260</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:10:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>At my Catholic girls' school, there weren't a lot of boys at prom, and it wasn't because the school was full of lesbians (it wasn't, and no one stopped the handful of out lesbians from going together).  Most of the boys were brothers of students forced to go (where they would stand around being uncomfortable and not dancing with their sisters' friends).  Of course, being the last single-sex school in the state, there was no convenient boys' school, and having high academic standards meant that the majority of students just didn't have time to hang out with people outside of class.  It really wasn't that easy to find male dates (and the platonic friend I asked--my only male friend at the time, and more of an acquaintance--turned me down, so I went with a group).

The nuns didn't care if girls danced together or with boys, so long as we &quot;left room for Jesus.&quot;  I liked our nuns, although they weren't perfect on these matters.

I agree that this is an attempt to control a junior class &quot;lesbian outbreak.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>At my Catholic girls&#8217; school, there weren&#8217;t a lot of boys at prom, and it wasn&#8217;t because the school was full of lesbians (it wasn&#8217;t, and no one stopped the handful of out lesbians from going together).  Most of the boys were brothers of students forced to go (where they would stand around being uncomfortable and not dancing with their sisters&#8217; friends).  Of course, being the last single-sex school in the state, there was no convenient boys&#8217; school, and having high academic standards meant that the majority of students just didn&#8217;t have time to hang out with people outside of class.  It really wasn&#8217;t that easy to find male dates (and the platonic friend I asked&#8211;my only male friend at the time, and more of an acquaintance&#8211;turned me down, so I went with a group).</p>
	<p>The nuns didn&#8217;t care if girls danced together or with boys, so long as we &#8220;left room for Jesus.&#8221;  I liked our nuns, although they weren&#8217;t perfect on these matters.</p>
	<p>I agree that this is an attempt to control a junior class &#8220;lesbian outbreak.&#8221;
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		<title>by: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-517019</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:09:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>It was once common (among my parents' friends, anyway) to invite someone to a party &quot;stag or drag&quot; meaning with a date or without.  Maybe &quot;drag&quot; is meant to suggest the cartoon caveman approach to dating, or &quot;the old ball and chain.&quot;

One could also ask if the party was &quot;stag or drag,&quot; meaning, should the person look for a date or is s/he explicitly asked not bring a date?  The invitee's sex is not always male.

Google on the phrase &quot;stag or drag&quot; for more  context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It was once common (among my parents&#8217; friends, anyway) to invite someone to a party &#8220;stag or drag&#8221; meaning with a date or without.  Maybe &#8220;drag&#8221; is meant to suggest the cartoon caveman approach to dating, or &#8220;the old ball and chain.&#8221;</p>
	<p>One could also ask if the party was &#8220;stag or drag,&#8221; meaning, should the person look for a date or is s/he explicitly asked not bring a date?  The invitee&#8217;s sex is not always male.</p>
	<p>Google on the phrase &#8220;stag or drag&#8221; for more  context.
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		<title>by: Ismone</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-517016</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:14:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-517016</guid>
					<description>Banning 21 year olds would be weird, esp. if they started dating when one was a frosh. and the other was a senior.  The older they get, the less the age gap = power gap.

One of my sisters went with a 26-year-old.  She was the older of the pair (in terms of maturity), there was no hanky-panky, and my parents approved.  The school shouldn't have a say.  And my Sr. Ball date was 19-20 and I was 17.  We were platonic---I trusted him, he was funny, and yep, he was my good friend's older brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Banning 21 year olds would be weird, esp. if they started dating when one was a frosh. and the other was a senior.  The older they get, the less the age gap = power gap.</p>
	<p>One of my sisters went with a 26-year-old.  She was the older of the pair (in terms of maturity), there was no hanky-panky, and my parents approved.  The school shouldn&#8217;t have a say.  And my Sr. Ball date was 19-20 and I was 17.  We were platonic&#8212;I trusted him, he was funny, and yep, he was my good friend&#8217;s older brother.
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		<title>by: hp</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516988</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:16:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Banning 21-year-olds from the prom at my school would have probably resulted in banning the boyfriends of about a quarter of the senior class. (And prevented many of us who were dependent on the willing brothers of friends to attend--since it was required that we  have a date to attend.)

That may be a problem specific to all-girls schools . . . the reason why so many girls had older boyfriends was because that their regular exposure to teenaged males was through the friends of their older or younger brothers, or the brothers of their friends (and the younger boys are icky :P).  So, many of them started dating boys 2.5 or 3 years older during their high school years.  (Average age difference between siblings.)

And as the comment was elsewhere, the 21-year-olds were seniors when the current senior class were freshmen. So, even in a coed school, both the exposure to those older people, and the opportunity to start dating were there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Banning 21-year-olds from the prom at my school would have probably resulted in banning the boyfriends of about a quarter of the senior class. (And prevented many of us who were dependent on the willing brothers of friends to attend&#8211;since it was required that we  have a date to attend.)</p>
	<p>That may be a problem specific to all-girls schools . . . the reason why so many girls had older boyfriends was because that their regular exposure to teenaged males was through the friends of their older or younger brothers, or the brothers of their friends (and the younger boys are icky <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ).  So, many of them started dating boys 2.5 or 3 years older during their high school years.  (Average age difference between siblings.)</p>
	<p>And as the comment was elsewhere, the 21-year-olds were seniors when the current senior class were freshmen. So, even in a coed school, both the exposure to those older people, and the opportunity to start dating were there.
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		<title>by: The Opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516909</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:31:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think 21+ people should only be allowed to go to school dances with students over 18.  And if that rule is seen as &quot;scandalous&quot;, this country has serious problems.  

There was one 19 year old in my high school graduating class (and I'd say that only about half of us had turned 18 by the time prom rolled around).  It's not like most high school seniors are 19 and 20 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think 21+ people should only be allowed to go to school dances with students over 18.  And if that rule is seen as &#8220;scandalous&#8221;, this country has serious problems.  </p>
	<p>There was one 19 year old in my high school graduating class (and I&#8217;d say that only about half of us had turned 18 by the time prom rolled around).  It&#8217;s not like most high school seniors are 19 and 20 years old.
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		<title>by: hp</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516886</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 22:38:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>*shrug*

The all-girls, Catholic high school I attended in the early 1990s has had the same rule for decades (and not just for proms, for ALL mixers). And we had a brother school about 500 feet away--but the girls school and our brother school had separate proms. A lot of schools in my area, whether Catholic or public have the required-het-couple rules.

And that goes together with the whole banning-the-21yo-soldier from the prom thing that was an outrage in my area in recent weeks (can't remember if it was discussed here, or really even applicable to being discussed here). Due to the rules above, I went to the prom with a 23yo brother of a friend. Apparently, schools around my area, which commonly have the MUST BE HET COUPLES rule for prom, are also now banning 20/21-year-old boy/girl friends of the 18/19 year old seniors. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>*shrug*</p>
	<p>The all-girls, Catholic high school I attended in the early 1990s has had the same rule for decades (and not just for proms, for ALL mixers). And we had a brother school about 500 feet away&#8211;but the girls school and our brother school had separate proms. A lot of schools in my area, whether Catholic or public have the required-het-couple rules.</p>
	<p>And that goes together with the whole banning-the-21yo-soldier from the prom thing that was an outrage in my area in recent weeks (can&#8217;t remember if it was discussed here, or really even applicable to being discussed here). Due to the rules above, I went to the prom with a 23yo brother of a friend. Apparently, schools around my area, which commonly have the MUST BE HET COUPLES rule for prom, are also now banning 20/21-year-old boy/girl friends of the 18/19 year old seniors.
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		<title>by: anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516879</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:01:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Anony, the point isn’t “just find a date already”. The point is: why push heterosexual coupling at all? Why should you have to find a date of the opposite sex to attend a school event at all, ever?&lt;/i&gt;

Uh...right. My point was that this rule is aimed at girls who are choosing not to bring dates, or at least not male ones. I took it for granted that people would understand I think this is a bad thing.

And I'm still stuck on the fact that this rule is only for the junior class. My sister's class in high school - a few years behind me in the same catholic school - had a relatively high number of out lesbians. Given that there had bee zero in all previous years, the emergence of 4 or 5 all of a sudden was quite the scandal, especially when a few decided to go as couples to the prom. This story made me think of that and I'm wondering if the principal here is trying to control some junior class lesbian outbreak. (And for the record, I think that would be a bad thing too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Anony, the point isn’t “just find a date already”. The point is: why push heterosexual coupling at all? Why should you have to find a date of the opposite sex to attend a school event at all, ever?</i></p>
	<p>Uh&#8230;right. My point was that this rule is aimed at girls who are choosing not to bring dates, or at least not male ones. I took it for granted that people would understand I think this is a bad thing.</p>
	<p>And I&#8217;m still stuck on the fact that this rule is only for the junior class. My sister&#8217;s class in high school - a few years behind me in the same catholic school - had a relatively high number of out lesbians. Given that there had bee zero in all previous years, the emergence of 4 or 5 all of a sudden was quite the scandal, especially when a few decided to go as couples to the prom. This story made me think of that and I&#8217;m wondering if the principal here is trying to control some junior class lesbian outbreak. (And for the record, I think that would be a bad thing too.)
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		<title>by: BetsyD</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516864</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:36:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>And I say that, as a transplant (though I'm away this semester), with grudging affection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>And I say that, as a transplant (though I&#8217;m away this semester), with grudging affection.
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		<title>by: BetsyD</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516863</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:34:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>jerry, I think if you're using southern Illinois as an example of living culture, you're pretty much undercutting your argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>jerry, I think if you&#8217;re using southern Illinois as an example of living culture, you&#8217;re pretty much undercutting your argument.
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		<title>by: jerry 101</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/17/compulsive-heterosexuality-its-on-your-permanent-record/#comment-516861</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:12:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>the word stag isn't dead.

try looking around at small town newspapers in central/southern illinois.

Bars and Semi-private clubs like the Eagles have Stag/Stagette parties all the time.  

Which is basically a singles night.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>the word stag isn&#8217;t dead.</p>
	<p>try looking around at small town newspapers in central/southern illinois.</p>
	<p>Bars and Semi-private clubs like the Eagles have Stag/Stagette parties all the time.  </p>
	<p>Which is basically a singles night.
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