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	<title>Comments on: Michael Medved and &#8216;American DNA&#8217;</title>
	<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/</link>
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		<title>by: Hekie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516312</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:57:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My eyes are actually making the o_O face right now.  That's actually a first, despite all the crap these nutbags spit out.</description>
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		<title>by: bekabot</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516284</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:28:59 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516284</guid>
					<description>Here's my problem with this:

First, it's Medved.  I can't stand him.

Second...way back in the Depression era, when social programs were really starting to catch on in this country, most American black people &lt;em&gt;were Republicans&lt;/em&gt;.  Not only were Republicans the party of Lincoln in those days (as opposed to the party of Reagan), but the Republicans were purportedly the party of personal uplift---&quot;purportedly&quot; in a sense that had yet to become flatly satirical.  (Well, it &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; a long time ago.)  African-Americans didn't transfer their loyalties to the Democratic party until about 30 years after that, when the Republican hierarchy let it be known that they could do without the support of the members of an lowly servant class.  (The rest, as they say, is history.)

(Back in the '30's, BTW, my Dad's almost-nearly 100% pure Nordic Wisconsonian extended immigrant family were pretty much all Democrats.  Just so you know.)

So my question would be: (assuming for a moment that genetics actually &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; determine politics, which I doubt) has everybody's DNA profile switched around completely during the last three-quarters of a century?  Because seventy-five years ago my Dad's Scandinavian immigrant relatives were erecting little shrines to FDR in their parlors while the descendants of slaves refused to budge from the Republican ranks.

And if genes can rethink their political alignment, shouldn't &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; be the focus of Medved's attention, rather than this barmy notion of his that Americans (but only the white ones of course) possess in the veins some ichor of the gods which Europeans lack?  Because the first possibility is by far the more interesting possibility.  Wouldn't you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Here&#8217;s my problem with this:</p>
	<p>First, it&#8217;s Medved.  I can&#8217;t stand him.</p>
	<p>Second&#8230;way back in the Depression era, when social programs were really starting to catch on in this country, most American black people <em>were Republicans</em>.  Not only were Republicans the party of Lincoln in those days (as opposed to the party of Reagan), but the Republicans were purportedly the party of personal uplift&#8212;&#8221;purportedly&#8221; in a sense that had yet to become flatly satirical.  (Well, it <em>was</em> a long time ago.)  African-Americans didn&#8217;t transfer their loyalties to the Democratic party until about 30 years after that, when the Republican hierarchy let it be known that they could do without the support of the members of an lowly servant class.  (The rest, as they say, is history.)</p>
	<p>(Back in the &#8217;30&#8217;s, BTW, my Dad&#8217;s almost-nearly 100% pure Nordic Wisconsonian extended immigrant family were pretty much all Democrats.  Just so you know.)</p>
	<p>So my question would be: (assuming for a moment that genetics actually <em>do</em> determine politics, which I doubt) has everybody&#8217;s DNA profile switched around completely during the last three-quarters of a century?  Because seventy-five years ago my Dad&#8217;s Scandinavian immigrant relatives were erecting little shrines to FDR in their parlors while the descendants of slaves refused to budge from the Republican ranks.</p>
	<p>And if genes can rethink their political alignment, shouldn&#8217;t <em>that</em> be the focus of Medved&#8217;s attention, rather than this barmy notion of his that Americans (but only the white ones of course) possess in the veins some ichor of the gods which Europeans lack?  Because the first possibility is by far the more interesting possibility.  Wouldn&#8217;t you say?
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		<title>by: Sara</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516268</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:37:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm always amazed at how people use/hear the term &quot;dna&quot; and suddenly turn off their brains and act like we're talking about &lt;i&gt;magic&lt;/i&gt;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at how people use/hear the term &#8220;dna&#8221; and suddenly turn off their brains and act like we&#8217;re talking about <i>magic</i>.
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		<title>by: Bill S</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516201</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:42:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Once again, Medved writes something that leaves me wanting to string him by his feet from a tree and whap him on the head like a pinata until all the stupid falls out.</description>
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		<title>by: The Opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516198</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:09:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Speaking of &quot;noble stock&quot;, isn't Medved descended from the same sorts of people who have been stereotyped by people of his political persuasion as being anarchists, labor organizers, communists, and crazy-ass leftists of all stripes?  Eastern European Jews who migrated to the US Northeast at the turn of the last century?  

So according to his own logic, he should probably be deported.  I mean, it was good enough for Emma Goldman, wasn't it?

Funny how, a century later when we have a new set of immigrant &quot;others&quot; to vilify, Medved is suddenly the descendant of brave and noble capitalists who, with their natural risk-taking ways, helped make America the great country it is today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Speaking of &#8220;noble stock&#8221;, isn&#8217;t Medved descended from the same sorts of people who have been stereotyped by people of his political persuasion as being anarchists, labor organizers, communists, and crazy-ass leftists of all stripes?  Eastern European Jews who migrated to the US Northeast at the turn of the last century?  </p>
	<p>So according to his own logic, he should probably be deported.  I mean, it was good enough for Emma Goldman, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
	<p>Funny how, a century later when we have a new set of immigrant &#8220;others&#8221; to vilify, Medved is suddenly the descendant of brave and noble capitalists who, with their natural risk-taking ways, helped make America the great country it is today.
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		<title>by: Sour Kraut, Tyrant of Tuna</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516189</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:38:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;The risks taken by members of the Underground Railroad or those who faced beatings, imprisonment, and death in the Civil Rights movement far exceed the risks taken by any European immigrant.&lt;/i&gt;

Not to mention the Black Americans who served in the Union Army during the Civil War, knowing full well that the Confederacy would execute them if they were captured.  Or the Tuskegee Airmen.  Or Crispus Attucks.  Or ad infinitum.

Let's face it, this is just more conservative masculine anxiety on full ugly display.  I'd wager that Medved has never done a bold or courageous thing in his lifetime; but lo, here's a way for him to be courageous-by-proxy: by claiming he comes from noble stock, by jingo.  Now watch as he bravely defends his bold missive from the liberal hordes as they point out he's full of shit.

STFU, Medved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The risks taken by members of the Underground Railroad or those who faced beatings, imprisonment, and death in the Civil Rights movement far exceed the risks taken by any European immigrant.</i></p>
	<p>Not to mention the Black Americans who served in the Union Army during the Civil War, knowing full well that the Confederacy would execute them if they were captured.  Or the Tuskegee Airmen.  Or Crispus Attucks.  Or ad infinitum.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s face it, this is just more conservative masculine anxiety on full ugly display.  I&#8217;d wager that Medved has never done a bold or courageous thing in his lifetime; but lo, here&#8217;s a way for him to be courageous-by-proxy: by claiming he comes from noble stock, by jingo.  Now watch as he bravely defends his bold missive from the liberal hordes as they point out he&#8217;s full of shit.</p>
	<p>STFU, Medved.
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		<title>by: Orange</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516165</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:49:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow.

So, if pimps and human traffickers keep prostitutes, sex slaves, and labor slaves alive these days, they should get the Congressional Medal of Honor for not being serial killers instead, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow.</p>
	<p>So, if pimps and human traffickers keep prostitutes, sex slaves, and labor slaves alive these days, they should get the Congressional Medal of Honor for not being serial killers instead, right?
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		<title>by: The Opoponax</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516141</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:46:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>There's a fascinating series of documentaries that floats around PBS (comes on around here every February for Black History Month, but I've seen it at other times of the year) which traces the ancestry of about a dozen prominent African Americans.  I think it's related to that BBC program.  About 5 minutes of it would be enough to thoroughly debunk just about all of Medved's screed, not to mention countless other stereotypes about slavery and its legacy.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is a link to a new installment which seems to be airing soonish, there's also a link on this page to info about the original series.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There&#8217;s a fascinating series of documentaries that floats around PBS (comes on around here every February for Black History Month, but I&#8217;ve seen it at other times of the year) which traces the ancestry of about a dozen prominent African Americans.  I think it&#8217;s related to that BBC program.  About 5 minutes of it would be enough to thoroughly debunk just about all of Medved&#8217;s screed, not to mention countless other stereotypes about slavery and its legacy.</p>
	<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/" rel="nofollow">Here is a link to a new installment which seems to be airing soonish, there&#8217;s also a link on this page to info about the original series.</a>
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		<title>by: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516133</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:36:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>What are Meved's genes? He is on pretty shakey ground to argue this way.

There is a program presented on BBC a few years ago called &quot;100% English&quot;. The producers as several different people who thought they were all English to give them DNA samples. Needless to say, all the participants were more than surprised.

http://www.walltowall.co.uk/catalogue_detail.aspx?w2wprogram=146



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What are Meved&#8217;s genes? He is on pretty shakey ground to argue this way.</p>
	<p>There is a program presented on BBC a few years ago called &#8220;100% English&#8221;. The producers as several different people who thought they were all English to give them DNA samples. Needless to say, all the participants were more than surprised.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.walltowall.co.uk/catalogue_detail.aspx?w2wprogram=146' rel='nofollow'>http://www.walltowall.co.uk/catalogue_detail.aspx?w2wprogram=146</a>
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		<title>by: maatnofret</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516131</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:31:32 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/michael-medved-and-american-dna/#comment-516131</guid>
					<description>Wow, Medved is a racist wanker who talks pseudoscience out of his ass? 

Who knew?

/snark

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow, Medved is a racist wanker who talks pseudoscience out of his ass? </p>
	<p>Who knew?</p>
	<p>/snark
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