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		<title>by: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516337</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:16:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;OT to MA Jeff … how’s that dissertation coming along?&lt;/i&gt;

It's moving, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>OT to MA Jeff … how’s that dissertation coming along?</i></p>
	<p>It&#8217;s moving, thanks.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516333</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:46:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The dissenting Justices appear not to have read &lt;i&gt;Perez v. Sharp&lt;/i&gt; carefully. The &quot;uh, uh, this is scary shit, let the voters decide&quot; argument was used there to argue that the Court should allow 'anti-miscegenation' laws to stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The dissenting Justices appear not to have read <i>Perez v. Sharp</i> carefully. The &#8220;uh, uh, this is scary shit, let the voters decide&#8221; argument was used there to argue that the Court should allow &#8216;anti-miscegenation&#8217; laws to stand.
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		<title>by: Dwyn</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516329</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:59:52 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I am so proud of California! A group of my friends and I got access to a tv when they announced the ruling and when it was announced on the news, we all cheered. 

Is it silly to say I got a little verklempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am so proud of California! A group of my friends and I got access to a tv when they announced the ruling and when it was announced on the news, we all cheered. </p>
	<p>Is it silly to say I got a little verklempt?
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516293</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:52:16 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516293</guid>
					<description>OT to MA Jeff ... how's that dissertation coming along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OT to MA Jeff &#8230; how&#8217;s that dissertation coming along?
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		<title>by: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516177</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:08:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>PioToR,

No appeal.  The suspect classification, and entire decision, is based on the California constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>PioToR,</p>
	<p>No appeal.  The suspect classification, and entire decision, is based on the California constitution.
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516175</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:04:18 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516175</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;I think this may be the first court to establish sexual orientation as a suspect classification.&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think that's a good thing, in that it refers to it as a &quot;constitutionally suspect basis&quot;.  If it hasn't been previously established that the Californian constitution forbids discrimination on teh basis of sexual orientation to teh same extent as gender, religion or race, the decision might be vulnerable to attack on that basis. 

Then again - in what forum will it be attacked?  The Supreme Court?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I think this may be the first court to establish sexual orientation as a suspect classification.</i></p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good thing, in that it refers to it as a &#8220;constitutionally suspect basis&#8221;.  If it hasn&#8217;t been previously established that the Californian constitution forbids discrimination on teh basis of sexual orientation to teh same extent as gender, religion or race, the decision might be vulnerable to attack on that basis. </p>
	<p>Then again - in what forum will it be attacked?  The Supreme Court?
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		<title>by: themann1086</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516151</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:18:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516151</guid>
					<description>mcc,

I hadn't seen that statement, I'd only known that when he vetoed the legislation he used a &quot;let the court decide&quot; sidestep.  I was assuming he would do some sort of double backflip dodge and challenge this.  That he does not, and that he is opposing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, makes supporting gay marriage in Cali both the right thing to do AND politically uncontroversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>mcc,</p>
	<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen that statement, I&#8217;d only known that when he vetoed the legislation he used a &#8220;let the court decide&#8221; sidestep.  I was assuming he would do some sort of double backflip dodge and challenge this.  That he does not, and that he is opposing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, makes supporting gay marriage in Cali both the right thing to do AND politically uncontroversial.
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		<title>by: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516140</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:44:45 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516140</guid>
					<description>HOLY SHIT. I just got to this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;As we shall explain, although we do not agree with the claim advanced by the parties challenging the validity of the current statutory scheme6 that the applicable statutes properly should be viewed as an  instance of discrimination on the basis of the suspect characteristic of sex or gender and should be subjected to strict scrutiny on that ground, we conclude that strict scrutiny nonetheless is applicable here because (1) the statutes in question properly must be understood as classifying or discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, a characteristic that we conclude represents — like gender, race, and religion —a constitutionally suspect basis upon which to impose differential treatment,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this may be the first court to establish sexual orientation as a suspect classification.  That's huge, at least in the California context.  Even if a measure passes in the fall, this classification will make it &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; easier for California activists to challenge anti-gay state and local laws, policies, and regulations. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>HOLY SHIT. I just got to this:</p>
	<blockquote><p>As we shall explain, although we do not agree with the claim advanced by the parties challenging the validity of the current statutory scheme6 that the applicable statutes properly should be viewed as an  instance of discrimination on the basis of the suspect characteristic of sex or gender and should be subjected to strict scrutiny on that ground, we conclude that strict scrutiny nonetheless is applicable here because (1) the statutes in question properly must be understood as classifying or discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, a characteristic that we conclude represents — like gender, race, and religion —a constitutionally suspect basis upon which to impose differential treatment,</p></blockquote>
	<p>I think this may be the first court to establish sexual orientation as a suspect classification.  That&#8217;s huge, at least in the California context.  Even if a measure passes in the fall, this classification will make it <i>much</i> easier for California activists to challenge anti-gay state and local laws, policies, and regulations.
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		<title>by: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516136</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:39:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>In the middle of reading the decision, but the Court seems to be saying, &quot;Separate but equal won't wash.&quot;  They not only struck down the marriage ban, but also seem to be saying that the distinction between Domestic Partnership and Marriage--particularly because the former was set up specifically to be different than marriage--is itself unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In the middle of reading the decision, but the Court seems to be saying, &#8220;Separate but equal won&#8217;t wash.&#8221;  They not only struck down the marriage ban, but also seem to be saying that the distinction between Domestic Partnership and Marriage&#8211;particularly because the former was set up specifically to be different than marriage&#8211;is itself unconstitutional.
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		<title>by: mcc</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/15/californias-high-court-to-rule-on-marriage-equality-today/#comment-516130</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:23:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;If Arnie holds his word, a big if but let’s play pretend, it gives Obama/Clinton/Edwards cover to come out in favor.&lt;/i&gt;

Holds his word how so exactly? &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.kqed.org/capitalnotes/2008/05/15/the-politics-of-marriage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here's the statement he released this morning&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“I respect the Court’s decision and as Governor, I will uphold its ruling. Also, as I have said in the past, I will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If Arnie holds his word, a big if but let’s play pretend, it gives Obama/Clinton/Edwards cover to come out in favor.</i></p>
	<p>Holds his word how so exactly? <a href="http://blogs.kqed.org/capitalnotes/2008/05/15/the-politics-of-marriage/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the statement he released this morning</a>:</p>
	<blockquote><p>“I respect the Court’s decision and as Governor, I will uphold its ruling. Also, as I have said in the past, I will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling.”</p></blockquote>
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