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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516625</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 22:22:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Tejota May 16, 2008 at 2:42 am
Since When did Ezra Klein speak for the party? &lt;/i&gt;

so how much you get paid as hillz astro-turfer anyway? I mean you got to be the worst one I've seen so far. lol

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Tejota May 16, 2008 at 2:42 am<br />
Since When did Ezra Klein speak for the party? </i></p>
	<p>so how much you get paid as hillz astro-turfer anyway? I mean you got to be the worst one I&#8217;ve seen so far. lol</p>
	<p>just make sure you get cash in advance. I&#8217;ve heard Hillz book isn&#8217;t that balance.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516483</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:59:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Post mortem

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

&quot;There was not any plan in place from beginning to end on how to win the nomination. It was, 'Win Iowa.' There was not the experience level, and, frankly, the management ability, to create a whole plan to get to the magical delegate number. That to me is the number one thing. It's starting from that point that every subsequent decision resulted. The decision to spend x amount in Iowa versus be prepared for February 5 and beyond. Or how much money to spend in South Carolina--where it was highly unlikely we were going to win--versus the decision not to fund certain other states. ... It was not as simple as, 'Oh, that's a caucus state, we're not going to play there.' That suggests a more serious thought process. It suggests a meeting where we went through all that.&quot;

&quot;Harold Ickes's encyclopedic understanding of the proportional delegate system was never operationalized into a field plan. The campaign inexplicably wrote off many states entirely, allowing Obama to create the lead of 100+ delegates that he has today. Most notably, we claimed the race would be over by February 5, but didn't devote any resources to the smaller states that day and in the weeks that followed, allowing Obama to easily run up margins and delegate counts on the cheap--the delegate margin he will win by.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Post mortem</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915' rel='nofollow'>http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915</a></p>
	<p>&#8220;There was not any plan in place from beginning to end on how to win the nomination. It was, &#8216;Win Iowa.&#8217; There was not the experience level, and, frankly, the management ability, to create a whole plan to get to the magical delegate number. That to me is the number one thing. It&#8217;s starting from that point that every subsequent decision resulted. The decision to spend x amount in Iowa versus be prepared for February 5 and beyond. Or how much money to spend in South Carolina&#8211;where it was highly unlikely we were going to win&#8211;versus the decision not to fund certain other states. &#8230; It was not as simple as, &#8216;Oh, that&#8217;s a caucus state, we&#8217;re not going to play there.&#8217; That suggests a more serious thought process. It suggests a meeting where we went through all that.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Harold Ickes&#8217;s encyclopedic understanding of the proportional delegate system was never operationalized into a field plan. The campaign inexplicably wrote off many states entirely, allowing Obama to create the lead of 100+ delegates that he has today. Most notably, we claimed the race would be over by February 5, but didn&#8217;t devote any resources to the smaller states that day and in the weeks that followed, allowing Obama to easily run up margins and delegate counts on the cheap&#8211;the delegate margin he will win by.&#8221;
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516370</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:17:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The AP also debunks her bunk popular vote routine:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD90MLJ0O0

    Clinton has been arguing that she leads in the popular vote, but that's only when both states are included and it is very slim — fewer than 5,000 votes out of 34 million cast.

    Her accounting also doesn't include some caucus states that favored Obama and where the popular vote wasn't tallied. The measure of winning the nomination is not the popular vote but the delegate count, and Obama leads 1,898 to 1,718, with 2,026 needed for the nomination.

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    The plans before the committee will be more generous to Obama. The Michigan Democratic Party has proposed giving 69 of its 128 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Obama, an advantage of 10 delegates for Clinton.

    A proposal from Florida would halve its 185 delegates. From that, Clinton would get 52.5 and Obama 33.5, a 19-delegate advantage for Clinton.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The AP also debunks her bunk popular vote routine:</p>
	<p><a href='http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD90MLJ0O0' rel='nofollow'>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD90MLJ0O0</a></p>
	<p>    Clinton has been arguing that she leads in the popular vote, but that&#8217;s only when both states are included and it is very slim — fewer than 5,000 votes out of 34 million cast.</p>
	<p>    Her accounting also doesn&#8217;t include some caucus states that favored Obama and where the popular vote wasn&#8217;t tallied. The measure of winning the nomination is not the popular vote but the delegate count, and Obama leads 1,898 to 1,718, with 2,026 needed for the nomination.</p>
	<p>&#8230;<br />
    The plans before the committee will be more generous to Obama. The Michigan Democratic Party has proposed giving 69 of its 128 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Obama, an advantage of 10 delegates for Clinton.</p>
	<p>    A proposal from Florida would halve its 185 delegates. From that, Clinton would get 52.5 and Obama 33.5, a 19-delegate advantage for Clinton.
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		<title>by: Tejota</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516331</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:42:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Since When did Ezra Klein speak for the party?

Ezra: &lt;i&gt;With no one campaigning, Clinton, of course, won Michigan — she was the only Democrat to be on the ballot, as I understand it,&lt;/i&gt;

To give you just a hint of how lazy and ill informed Ezra is.  I present the list of names on the MI ballot. The fruit of a 10 second Google.

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Uncommitted  
Dennis J. Kucinich   
Christopher J. Dodd   
Mike Gravel

Only Obama And Edwards removed their names, my apologies to Kucinich, I believe earlier said that he had removed his name also.

'scuse the typos - this time of night i type with a stylus on a touch screen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Since When did Ezra Klein speak for the party?</p>
	<p>Ezra: <i>With no one campaigning, Clinton, of course, won Michigan — she was the only Democrat to be on the ballot, as I understand it,</i></p>
	<p>To give you just a hint of how lazy and ill informed Ezra is.  I present the list of names on the MI ballot. The fruit of a 10 second Google.</p>
	<p>Hillary Rodham Clinton<br />
Uncommitted<br />
Dennis J. Kucinich<br />
Christopher J. Dodd<br />
Mike Gravel</p>
	<p>Only Obama And Edwards removed their names, my apologies to Kucinich, I believe earlier said that he had removed his name also.</p>
	<p>&#8217;scuse the typos - this time of night i type with a stylus on a touch screen
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516326</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:50:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>[Ezra Klein] This is a very, very, very big deal. This is the sort of decision that has the potential to tear the party apart. In an attempt to retain some control over the process and keep the various states from accelerating their primaries into last Summer, the Democratic National Committee warned Michigan and Florida that if they insisted on advancing their primary debates, their delegates wouldn't be seated and the campaigns would be asked not to participate in their primaries. This was agreed to by all parties (save, of course, the states themselves).

With no one campaigning, Clinton, of course, won Michigan -- she was the only Democrat to be on the ballot, as I understand it, which is testament to the other campaign's beliefs that the contest wouldn't count -- and will likely win Florida. And because the race for delegates is likely to be close, she wants those wins to matter. So she's fighting the DNC's decision, and asking her delegates -- those she's already won, and those she will win -- to overturn it at the convention. She's doing so right before Florida, to intensify her good press in the state, where Obama is also on the ballot. And since this is a complicated, internal-party matter that sounds weird to those not versed in it (of course Michigan and Florida should count!), she's adding a public challenge that, if the other Democrats deny, will make them seem anti-Michigan and Florida. 

http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17332/hillary-clinton-changing-the-rules-on-florida-and-michigan-delegates/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[Ezra Klein] This is a very, very, very big deal. This is the sort of decision that has the potential to tear the party apart. In an attempt to retain some control over the process and keep the various states from accelerating their primaries into last Summer, the Democratic National Committee warned Michigan and Florida that if they insisted on advancing their primary debates, their delegates wouldn&#8217;t be seated and the campaigns would be asked not to participate in their primaries. This was agreed to by all parties (save, of course, the states themselves).</p>
	<p>With no one campaigning, Clinton, of course, won Michigan &#8212; she was the only Democrat to be on the ballot, as I understand it, which is testament to the other campaign&#8217;s beliefs that the contest wouldn&#8217;t count &#8212; and will likely win Florida. And because the race for delegates is likely to be close, she wants those wins to matter. So she&#8217;s fighting the DNC&#8217;s decision, and asking her delegates &#8212; those she&#8217;s already won, and those she will win &#8212; to overturn it at the convention. She&#8217;s doing so right before Florida, to intensify her good press in the state, where Obama is also on the ballot. And since this is a complicated, internal-party matter that sounds weird to those not versed in it (of course Michigan and Florida should count!), she&#8217;s adding a public challenge that, if the other Democrats deny, will make them seem anti-Michigan and Florida. </p>
	<p><a href='http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17332/hillary-clinton-changing-the-rules-on-florida-and-michigan-delegates/' rel='nofollow'>http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17332/hillary-clinton-changing-the-rules-on-florida-and-michigan-delegates/</a>
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		<title>by: mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516321</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:18:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I showed you the rules. they clearly state (o.k. not that clearly - the language is a mess). They unequivocally state the earliest dates that states are allowed to have the primaries. The rules are right there, read them. &lt;b&gt;6 states violated Rule 11a. Not 2 states, but 6 of them&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See, this is where we keep coming back to the fact that you're batshit insane.  You think it's rational to argue that Iowa and New Hampshire, which have officially had the first caucus and first primary for over 30 years and had them unofficially for even longer before that, were somehow breaking the rules by &lt;i&gt;continuing to do what they've done for the past 30 years.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, please explain how it's rational to claim that Iowa and New Hampshire &quot;broke the rules&quot; when &lt;i&gt;the rules are set up for them to go first.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I showed you the rules. they clearly state (o.k. not that clearly - the language is a mess). They unequivocally state the earliest dates that states are allowed to have the primaries. The rules are right there, read them. <b>6 states violated Rule 11a. Not 2 states, but 6 of them</b>.</p></blockquote>
	<p>See, this is where we keep coming back to the fact that you&#8217;re batshit insane.  You think it&#8217;s rational to argue that Iowa and New Hampshire, which have officially had the first caucus and first primary for over 30 years and had them unofficially for even longer before that, were somehow breaking the rules by <i>continuing to do what they&#8217;ve done for the past 30 years.</i></p>
	<p>Again, please explain how it&#8217;s rational to claim that Iowa and New Hampshire &#8220;broke the rules&#8221; when <i>the rules are set up for them to go first.</i>
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516316</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:13:58 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Let us grant every conceivable benefit of the doubt to Senator Clinton. She is likely to win KY by 25 points, although Barack will contest that state more than WV. Let us suppose that her recent efforts in Oregon will help her so that she only loses there by 8 points. A lot of early voting has already taken place, but most of the vote is still available. She has learned from her previous mistakes. She is now appearing in South Dakota and Montana. She wins Puerto Rico by 25 points. Suppose 2208 becomes the magic number. Now what?  

...

Senator Clinton would, then, have 2135 total delegates. Senator Obama would, then, have 2208 total delegates. The difference would be 73 total delegates. The number of SuperDelegates in this process would be 10.89 times as much as the difference in total delegates.

He would, then, have garnered 50.84 % of the total delegates. She would have garnered 49.16 % of the total delegates. Obama would have won 1.68 % more total delegates than Senator Clinton did. On a graph with a y axis which begins at zero, this margin would appear minimal.

...

Total Delegates Obama:  2208 Total Delegates

Total Delegates Clinton:  2135 Total Delegates

Total Delegates Winner:  Obama 73 Total Delegates

Final note:  Without moving to the 2208 number, her chances are virtually zero.  It is unforeseeable.  Her chances of winning with 2208 delegates would appear to be marginally better.  As a ratio, the improvement odds might be infinitely better, but her actual odds are no better than 1 in 8, even if the 2208 number be adopted (and the scenario I described above takes place in the remaining contests - not including the last allocation of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates, of course). I wouldn't think Hillary is getting good financial advice if she drops any more serious money into the kittle

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/16/0010/45504/1016/516647

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let us grant every conceivable benefit of the doubt to Senator Clinton. She is likely to win KY by 25 points, although Barack will contest that state more than WV. Let us suppose that her recent efforts in Oregon will help her so that she only loses there by 8 points. A lot of early voting has already taken place, but most of the vote is still available. She has learned from her previous mistakes. She is now appearing in South Dakota and Montana. She wins Puerto Rico by 25 points. Suppose 2208 becomes the magic number. Now what?  </p>
	<p>&#8230;</p>
	<p>Senator Clinton would, then, have 2135 total delegates. Senator Obama would, then, have 2208 total delegates. The difference would be 73 total delegates. The number of SuperDelegates in this process would be 10.89 times as much as the difference in total delegates.</p>
	<p>He would, then, have garnered 50.84 % of the total delegates. She would have garnered 49.16 % of the total delegates. Obama would have won 1.68 % more total delegates than Senator Clinton did. On a graph with a y axis which begins at zero, this margin would appear minimal.</p>
	<p>&#8230;</p>
	<p>Total Delegates Obama:  2208 Total Delegates</p>
	<p>Total Delegates Clinton:  2135 Total Delegates</p>
	<p>Total Delegates Winner:  Obama 73 Total Delegates</p>
	<p>Final note:  Without moving to the 2208 number, her chances are virtually zero.  It is unforeseeable.  Her chances of winning with 2208 delegates would appear to be marginally better.  As a ratio, the improvement odds might be infinitely better, but her actual odds are no better than 1 in 8, even if the 2208 number be adopted (and the scenario I described above takes place in the remaining contests - not including the last allocation of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates, of course). I wouldn&#8217;t think Hillary is getting good financial advice if she drops any more serious money into the kittle</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/16/0010/45504/1016/516647' rel='nofollow'>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/16/0010/45504/1016/516647</a>
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516315</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:06:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hillary Clinton says Michigan Results are Fair! WTF?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deGy60y9fo

NBC REPORT: Hillary Clinton Seeking to Change Election Rules

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow

HILLARY Cry Baby CLINTON Flip Flops for Florida and Michigan

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHRqi8nsvI

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hillary Clinton says Michigan Results are Fair! WTF?</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deGy60y9fo' rel='nofollow'>www.youtube.com/watch?v=-deGy60y9fo</a></p>
	<p>NBC REPORT: Hillary Clinton Seeking to Change Election Rules</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow' rel='nofollow'>www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow</a></p>
	<p>HILLARY Cry Baby CLINTON Flip Flops for Florida and Michigan</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHRqi8nsvI' rel='nofollow'>www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHRqi8nsvI</a>
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		<title>by: Tejota</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516313</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:58:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>apologies if I'm breaking the local rules Hekie.  Have I been feeding trolls? - not my intent. really. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>apologies if I&#8217;m breaking the local rules Hekie.  Have I been feeding trolls? - not my intent. really.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/14/7209/#comment-516311</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:56:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hekie May 15, 2008 at 10:47 pm 

Hillz safe-spacer eh? can't take reality. (Hey look you are not complaining about Tejota.)

chuckle. (whatta bunch of liars and cry babies)

(the problem with hanging around in Hillz blogs bunker, you only hear echo chamber. You can't handle even the slightest argument. Your head can't handle even the slightest reality. Hillz blog lies make you stupid)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hekie May 15, 2008 at 10:47 pm </p>
	<p>Hillz safe-spacer eh? can&#8217;t take reality. (Hey look you are not complaining about Tejota.)</p>
	<p>chuckle. (whatta bunch of liars and cry babies)</p>
	<p>(the problem with hanging around in Hillz blogs bunker, you only hear echo chamber. You can&#8217;t handle even the slightest argument. Your head can&#8217;t handle even the slightest reality. Hillz blog lies make you stupid)
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