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		<title>by: louise</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515292</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 06:12:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Damn straight, StarStorm.

After all, he currently represents Chicago, right? Mafia, Mrs O'Leary's clumsy cow, the Cubbies, Obama- they're all connected.

&lt;i&gt;The truth &lt;b&gt;will&lt;/b&gt; come out!!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Damn straight, StarStorm.</p>
	<p>After all, he currently represents Chicago, right? Mafia, Mrs O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s clumsy cow, the Cubbies, Obama- they&#8217;re all connected.</p>
	<p><i>The truth <b>will</b> come out!!</i>
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		<title>by: StarStorm</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515284</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:08:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Pardon my levity, MikeEss, but...
&lt;blockquote&gt;And these things are just scratching the service. By the time we’re through, Obama will have been rumored to be responsible for (or connected with) everything that has “gone wrong” in America since his birth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You see, this is a sign that they're simply not trying hard enough. A GOOD right-wing smear job will have him connected/responsible for everything that's &quot;gone wrong&quot; in 'Merica since IT'S birth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pardon my levity, MikeEss, but&#8230;</p>
	<blockquote><p>And these things are just scratching the service. By the time we’re through, Obama will have been rumored to be responsible for (or connected with) everything that has “gone wrong” in America since his birth.</p></blockquote>
	<p>You see, this is a sign that they&#8217;re simply not trying hard enough. A GOOD right-wing smear job will have him connected/responsible for everything that&#8217;s &#8220;gone wrong&#8221; in &#8216;Merica since IT&#8217;S birth.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515190</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:41:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, even though it didn’t do the trick for Babs’ mom, for at least some (former) republicans I know here in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina was indeed a major enough trauma to shake their worldview.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


It worked that way here in California, too.  I had a Log Cabin Republican going off on rants on how horrible the response was to Katrina and how badly the Bushies had fucked it up.  And he was a very loyal long-time Republican voter.  There is definitely some of that at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Well, even though it didn’t do the trick for Babs’ mom, for at least some (former) republicans I know here in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina was indeed a major enough trauma to shake their worldview.</p></blockquote>
	<p>It worked that way here in California, too.  I had a Log Cabin Republican going off on rants on how horrible the response was to Katrina and how badly the Bushies had fucked it up.  And he was a very loyal long-time Republican voter.  There is definitely some of that at work.
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		<title>by: louise</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515164</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:00:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry I wasn't clearer, calvinhobbes- yeah, Dad voted Kerry in 2004.

You could have knocked me over.

But Mom voted for Bush, &quot;because he's so cute&quot;.

I-need-to-disinfect-my-keyboard-now... &lt;b&gt;ick.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry I wasn&#8217;t clearer, calvinhobbes- yeah, Dad voted Kerry in 2004.</p>
	<p>You could have knocked me over.</p>
	<p>But Mom voted for Bush, &#8220;because he&#8217;s so cute&#8221;.</p>
	<p>I-need-to-disinfect-my-keyboard-now&#8230; <b>ick.</b>
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		<title>by: loneoak</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515119</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:21:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>How much of the willingness to believe Obama is a Muzlim is actually based on racism?  Like Auguste says, the overlap between stupid and bigot is awfully large, but it seems to me that this overlap is causal, not just coincidental.  I tend to think that the OMGMuzlimimim reaction is a result of cognitive dissonance in many people.  Even in WV and KY, there is some substantial social pressure against publicly declaring one's overt racism, perhaps especially so if you are socialized as a Democrat.  Thus, in order to still be a racist you have to justify it by believing something as profoundly stupid as the idea that Obama is a muslim with a Christian pastor.  

We all believe &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; pretty stupid due to cognitive dissonance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How much of the willingness to believe Obama is a Muzlim is actually based on racism?  Like Auguste says, the overlap between stupid and bigot is awfully large, but it seems to me that this overlap is causal, not just coincidental.  I tend to think that the OMGMuzlimimim reaction is a result of cognitive dissonance in many people.  Even in WV and KY, there is some substantial social pressure against publicly declaring one&#8217;s overt racism, perhaps especially so if you are socialized as a Democrat.  Thus, in order to still be a racist you have to justify it by believing something as profoundly stupid as the idea that Obama is a muslim with a Christian pastor.  </p>
	<p>We all believe <i>something</i> pretty stupid due to cognitive dissonance.
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		<title>by: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515113</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:06:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m just having fun watching the idiots on the news talk about “when Oregonians go to the polls”.

Um, dudes, voting at the polls is for procrastinators and people who lost their ballots before they could mail them in, at least if you ask my Dad. Different dynamics with that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Even then, it's &quot;voting at the post office volunteer with the orange traffic vest on at 11:55 pm.&quot; I haven't been inside an elementary school other than my son's in many many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I’m just having fun watching the idiots on the news talk about “when Oregonians go to the polls”.</p>
	<p>Um, dudes, voting at the polls is for procrastinators and people who lost their ballots before they could mail them in, at least if you ask my Dad. Different dynamics with that.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Even then, it&#8217;s &#8220;voting at the post office volunteer with the orange traffic vest on at 11:55 pm.&#8221; I haven&#8217;t been inside an elementary school other than my son&#8217;s in many many years.
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		<title>by: calvinhobbes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515106</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:37:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;The complete ineptitude of FEMA b/c Bush put his horsey buddy in charge of the organization was so obvious that it becomes pretty hard to defend the way repubs work.&quot;

I don't know, the far right ran to blame Blanco and the other state and local Dems pretty quickly.

Also, they blamed Dems for confirming his &quot;horsey buddy&quot; (whereas when Repubs voted for Justices Ginsburg and Breyer, there was not &quot;blame&quot; but rather &quot;compliance&quot; and &quot;niceness.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The complete ineptitude of FEMA b/c Bush put his horsey buddy in charge of the organization was so obvious that it becomes pretty hard to defend the way repubs work.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know, the far right ran to blame Blanco and the other state and local Dems pretty quickly.</p>
	<p>Also, they blamed Dems for confirming his &#8220;horsey buddy&#8221; (whereas when Repubs voted for Justices Ginsburg and Breyer, there was not &#8220;blame&#8221; but rather &#8220;compliance&#8221; and &#8220;niceness.&#8221;)
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		<title>by: Tom Hilton</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515093</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:07:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I almost said “less-than-urban” but thought better of it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And correctly so.  &quot;Less-than-urban&quot;, or &quot;&lt;i&gt;sub&lt;/i&gt;-urban&quot;, is not the same as &quot;rural&quot;.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I almost said “less-than-urban” but thought better of it.</p></blockquote>
	<p>And correctly so.  &#8220;Less-than-urban&#8221;, or &#8220;<i>sub</i>-urban&#8221;, is not the same as &#8220;rural&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515091</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:02:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm just having fun watching the idiots on the news talk about &quot;when Oregonians go to the polls&quot;.

Um, dudes, voting at the polls is for procrastinators and people who lost their ballots before they could mail them in, at least if you ask my Dad.  Different dynamics with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m just having fun watching the idiots on the news talk about &#8220;when Oregonians go to the polls&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Um, dudes, voting at the polls is for procrastinators and people who lost their ballots before they could mail them in, at least if you ask my Dad.  Different dynamics with that.
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		<title>by: calliopejane</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/12/7189/#comment-515090</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:54:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;trying to change the basic worldview of anyone over 40 is a futile endeavour; the only thing that does that is a major trauma, and the more ignorant and stupid the person, the more earth-shaking that trauma must be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, even though it didn't do the trick for Babs' mom, for at least some (former) republicans I know here in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina was indeed a major enough trauma to shake their worldview.  The complete ineptitude of FEMA b/c Bush put his horsey buddy in charge of the organization was so obvious that it becomes pretty hard to defend the way repubs work.  

But I don't know if watching it from afar had the same effect on any appreciable number of people.  You hear people talk about how katrina showed up how inept our federal agencies have become, but I don't know if anyone who wasn't predisposed to see that actually got the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>trying to change the basic worldview of anyone over 40 is a futile endeavour; the only thing that does that is a major trauma, and the more ignorant and stupid the person, the more earth-shaking that trauma must be.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Well, even though it didn&#8217;t do the trick for Babs&#8217; mom, for at least some (former) republicans I know here in New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina was indeed a major enough trauma to shake their worldview.  The complete ineptitude of FEMA b/c Bush put his horsey buddy in charge of the organization was so obvious that it becomes pretty hard to defend the way repubs work.  </p>
	<p>But I don&#8217;t know if watching it from afar had the same effect on any appreciable number of people.  You hear people talk about how katrina showed up how inept our federal agencies have become, but I don&#8217;t know if anyone who wasn&#8217;t predisposed to see that actually got the message.
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