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		<title>by: Chrissy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515257</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:11:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I just read this book a few months ago and thought it was fantastic. Blending the history of the LDS church, the emergence of the FLDS movement, and the Lafferty murders made it riveting and impossible to put down.  

It also made me think that Mormons are batshit crazy. The history of their Church's founder is not a mystery hidden by time. It just happened 150 years ago! There are records and accounts proving their messiah was a convicted conman who pretty much just loved 16 year old ass and wanted a never ending stream of it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just read this book a few months ago and thought it was fantastic. Blending the history of the LDS church, the emergence of the FLDS movement, and the Lafferty murders made it riveting and impossible to put down.  </p>
	<p>It also made me think that Mormons are batshit crazy. The history of their Church&#8217;s founder is not a mystery hidden by time. It just happened 150 years ago! There are records and accounts proving their messiah was a convicted conman who pretty much just loved 16 year old ass and wanted a never ending stream of it.
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		<title>by: Amalink</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515184</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 17:12:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>If it makes you feel any better I closed the car door on my hand the other day.  I was shocked that I didn't break at least one of the fingers.  The worst part was having to open the door to get my poor fingers out.

I loved 'Under the banner of Heaven'.  The world domination thing towards the end has me a little wary of most Mormons now.  Each time they come to my door I tend to get myself uninvited to join their church when I reveal to these poor children that King James did not write the Bible and in fact there are much much older versions written in Greek and Aramaic.  And that when the book gets updated parts of it get rewritten.  

I actually went from Mormans to Amish and read the book 'Rumspringa' afterwards.  That was pretty enlightening as well.  I feel sorry for all people who are captured by their religion and not taught how to think of themselves as individuals or how to think at all for that matter.

Organized religion is yucky.  Someone should ban it - all religion must be personal from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If it makes you feel any better I closed the car door on my hand the other day.  I was shocked that I didn&#8217;t break at least one of the fingers.  The worst part was having to open the door to get my poor fingers out.</p>
	<p>I loved &#8216;Under the banner of Heaven&#8217;.  The world domination thing towards the end has me a little wary of most Mormons now.  Each time they come to my door I tend to get myself uninvited to join their church when I reveal to these poor children that King James did not write the Bible and in fact there are much much older versions written in Greek and Aramaic.  And that when the book gets updated parts of it get rewritten.  </p>
	<p>I actually went from Mormans to Amish and read the book &#8216;Rumspringa&#8217; afterwards.  That was pretty enlightening as well.  I feel sorry for all people who are captured by their religion and not taught how to think of themselves as individuals or how to think at all for that matter.</p>
	<p>Organized religion is yucky.  Someone should ban it - all religion must be personal from now on.
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		<title>by: Loony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515165</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I am deathly afraid of splinters. Whenever I have one no matter how big or small i freak out and insist on seeing a doctor. I am also needle phobic so that might have something to do with it. 

Poor Amanda, I hope you are feeling better soon.

As to polygamy. I think what people don't realise is that polygamy isn't inherently wrong. If it is male dominated and takes advantage of underage women then it is very very wrong. Especially if the husband is violent. Polyamory and Polyandry (one woman more men) are actually far less heard of and much more worthwhile. The basic rule of polyamory is that everyone involved knows about everyone else and is perfectly ok with it and if anyone wants out they are free to leave whenever they want. Personally I think monogamy is far more damaging than plyamory or polyandry and I have a secret belief that if everyone was bisexual and polyamorous that the world would be a happier place but i wont stop you if you are happy being monogamous.

The LDS men have perverted it and made it into something shameful and disgusting.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am deathly afraid of splinters. Whenever I have one no matter how big or small i freak out and insist on seeing a doctor. I am also needle phobic so that might have something to do with it. </p>
	<p>Poor Amanda, I hope you are feeling better soon.</p>
	<p>As to polygamy. I think what people don&#8217;t realise is that polygamy isn&#8217;t inherently wrong. If it is male dominated and takes advantage of underage women then it is very very wrong. Especially if the husband is violent. Polyamory and Polyandry (one woman more men) are actually far less heard of and much more worthwhile. The basic rule of polyamory is that everyone involved knows about everyone else and is perfectly ok with it and if anyone wants out they are free to leave whenever they want. Personally I think monogamy is far more damaging than plyamory or polyandry and I have a secret belief that if everyone was bisexual and polyamorous that the world would be a happier place but i wont stop you if you are happy being monogamous.</p>
	<p>The LDS men have perverted it and made it into something shameful and disgusting.
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		<title>by: Binx</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515154</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:21:21 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the scissor-beaked-tweezer thing might be this:

http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&amp;amp;Action=Catalog&amp;amp;Type=Product&amp;amp;ID=82561
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think the scissor-beaked-tweezer thing might be this:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&amp;Action=Catalog&amp;Type=Product&amp;ID=82561' rel='nofollow'>http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&amp;Action=Catalog&amp;Type=Product&amp;ID=82561</a>
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		<title>by: Ledasmom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515092</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:04:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, I thought I was the only one in the world dumb enough to pee on poison ivy.  I did that on a canoe trip once.  Ever sat on a canoe seat with poison ivy on your butt?
The worst part was, the other activities at that camp included riding horses, sometimes bareback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, I thought I was the only one in the world dumb enough to pee on poison ivy.  I did that on a canoe trip once.  Ever sat on a canoe seat with poison ivy on your butt?<br />
The worst part was, the other activities at that camp included riding horses, sometimes bareback.
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		<title>by: Stephanieb</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515082</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:40:10 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, a good companion to Krakauer's book (which is outstanding), is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/0767927567/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1210608866&amp;amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Escape&lt;/a&gt;, by Carolyn Jessup. Jessup is a former member of the FLDS who escaped it with all eight of her children-and then fought her ex and the cult to win custody of them, the first woman to do so. It's quite a compelling story, and not just because it's exciting and suspenseful. Jessup also lays out very clearly the emotional/social terrain that women in that community have to navigate in order to survive. Grim stuff.

I borrowed the book from my neighbor last week and realized at 4:30 in the morning that I needed to put it down because I had an exam at 8 am. A good book to grab the next time you find yourself in the ER:) From one klutz to another (as I speak, I have a big bruise on the inside of my knee, from some random run-in with a hard object, a cut on my foot, and my hands are covered with cuts and scratches from gardening. And that's entirely normal for me.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, a good companion to Krakauer&#8217;s book (which is outstanding), is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Escape-Carolyn-Jessop/dp/0767927567/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1210608866&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Escape</a>, by Carolyn Jessup. Jessup is a former member of the FLDS who escaped it with all eight of her children-and then fought her ex and the cult to win custody of them, the first woman to do so. It&#8217;s quite a compelling story, and not just because it&#8217;s exciting and suspenseful. Jessup also lays out very clearly the emotional/social terrain that women in that community have to navigate in order to survive. Grim stuff.</p>
	<p>I borrowed the book from my neighbor last week and realized at 4:30 in the morning that I needed to put it down because I had an exam at 8 am. A good book to grab the next time you find yourself in the ER:) From one klutz to another (as I speak, I have a big bruise on the inside of my knee, from some random run-in with a hard object, a cut on my foot, and my hands are covered with cuts and scratches from gardening. And that&#8217;s entirely normal for me.)
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		<title>by: Ron O</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515067</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 10:57:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Last Saturday, I was working on refinishing the last bit (a door frame) on my recently remodeled kitchen.  While stripping the old wood with some steel wool, I jammed a splinter in my thumb.  I though at first I got it out, but by the evening realized  bit was still in there.  I've had this happen before, after a day or three you can usually pop it out like a zit.  However this one was really painful and oozing puss.  I had trouble typing on Monday.  Monday night I sterilized a razor blade and a couple tweezer to remove it.  I had to cut away some skin and squeeze hard to get at the buried splinter.  It was a half inch long!  I almost pierced my thumb.  I think I'm going to have a little divot where the hole was.

I haven't read the book.  In another year or two I should have enough time and energy to get through more than a book every month or so.  Damm babbies. ;)  

&quot;So those who wanted freedom of religion just wanted the benefits of being English without having to pay English taxes or abide by English laws. Which as far as I can see it what cults like the FLDS are asking for in America now.&quot;

Only four of the original 13 colonies had no official state religion.  (PA, DE, NJ &amp;amp; RI).  Freedom of religion is something that arose out of the need to forge a common bond among the mostly northern Puritans and mostly southern Anglicans.  PA, DE and NJ was a kind of buffer zone that also allowed Catholics and Jews.  (MD too, though by 1691 Anglican was the official religion)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Last Saturday, I was working on refinishing the last bit (a door frame) on my recently remodeled kitchen.  While stripping the old wood with some steel wool, I jammed a splinter in my thumb.  I though at first I got it out, but by the evening realized  bit was still in there.  I&#8217;ve had this happen before, after a day or three you can usually pop it out like a zit.  However this one was really painful and oozing puss.  I had trouble typing on Monday.  Monday night I sterilized a razor blade and a couple tweezer to remove it.  I had to cut away some skin and squeeze hard to get at the buried splinter.  It was a half inch long!  I almost pierced my thumb.  I think I&#8217;m going to have a little divot where the hole was.</p>
	<p>I haven&#8217;t read the book.  In another year or two I should have enough time and energy to get through more than a book every month or so.  Damm babbies. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
	<p>&#8220;So those who wanted freedom of religion just wanted the benefits of being English without having to pay English taxes or abide by English laws. Which as far as I can see it what cults like the FLDS are asking for in America now.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Only four of the original 13 colonies had no official state religion.  (PA, DE, NJ &amp; RI).  Freedom of religion is something that arose out of the need to forge a common bond among the mostly northern Puritans and mostly southern Anglicans.  PA, DE and NJ was a kind of buffer zone that also allowed Catholics and Jews.  (MD too, though by 1691 Anglican was the official religion)
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		<title>by: JCfromNC</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-515003</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:38:42 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Eric @ 16, Caroline @ 26:

I believe he is talking about a Ear Polypus, which you can get from modeling suppliers like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&amp;amp;Action=Catalog&amp;amp;Type=Product&amp;amp;ID=15265&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.  Or if not, I'll wager it's pretty darn similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric @ 16, Caroline @ 26:</p>
	<p>I believe he is talking about a Ear Polypus, which you can get from modeling suppliers like <a href="http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&amp;Action=Catalog&amp;Type=Product&amp;ID=15265" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.  Or if not, I&#8217;ll wager it&#8217;s pretty darn similar.
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		<title>by: felagund</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-514964</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:29:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Putting on a stoic act is a form of whining.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sounds profound, but I really don't think it's true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Putting on a stoic act is a form of whining.</p></blockquote>
	<p>That sounds profound, but I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s true.
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		<title>by: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/11/7183/#comment-514963</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:26:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Eric @ 16, the only thing I can think of is that that's a mini needle driver (does it look like &lt;a href=&quot;http://micro-surgery.salvin.com/Micro-Needle-Holders.html?parentId=86&amp;amp;pushParent&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;?)  That kind of makes sense, since those are made to hold small needles for small suture, which are about the size of a splinter.  I can't visualize what you mean by a little arm at the end of the &quot;hummingbird beak&quot; though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Eric @ 16, the only thing I can think of is that that&#8217;s a mini needle driver (does it look like <a href="http://micro-surgery.salvin.com/Micro-Needle-Holders.html?parentId=86&amp;pushParent" rel="nofollow">this</a>?)  That kind of makes sense, since those are made to hold small needles for small suture, which are about the size of a splinter.  I can&#8217;t visualize what you mean by a little arm at the end of the &#8220;hummingbird beak&#8221; though.
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