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		<title>by: Mac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-518997</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:03:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I live in Kamloops.  Up till recently I'd thought of it as a pretty safe city.  I guess it still is if you are a cop with your own taser.  Not so good for the rest of us though.  And it gets worse.  I'm going to paste in a note below, that I sent to a friend yesterday.  The bad craziness just keeps getting badder and crazier:

&quot;Weird local news item this morning (May 26th): a bear wandered into the Northhills shopping centre last night, smashed a plate-glass window at a clothing store and went inside.  I'm not sure what it thought it would find in there.  Anyway, the Ministry of Environment dispatched their death squad and killed the poor beast.  Their excuse was that they: 'couldn't use the tranquilizer gun because the bear was inside the store'???  Apparently blowing the unfortunate creature's blood and brains all over the merchandise is ok, but drugging it so it can be safely removed is bad for business??  

I'm coming to think the &quot;Authorities&quot; have quietly published a handbook of excuses for enforcement agencies to use whenever they employ violence against man or animal. Lately that seems to be every time they encounter either.

You may have heard that a week or two ago the RCMP tasered that 82-year-old heart patient in the Kamloops hospital?  A local police spokesman assured the media the Officers &quot;had no choice&quot;.  One begins to wonder how far this will go?  Well, let's try a couple of possible scenarios.  

Example one: a baby in a stroller sits outside a phone booth while its mother calls for a taxi.  A policeman sees the unattended stroller and child.  The thought crosses his mind that this may in fact be a baby suicide-bomber.  He swiftly tasers the child three times (it ignores his repeated orders to stop screaming) and, because the woman in the phone booth seems to display hostile behaviour toward his actions and could be the suicide-child's accomplice, he empties his 9 mm Glock into her.  Later, as his superiors hold a press conference to praise his quick response to a perceived public safety threat, he tells reporters he regrets the error, but felt at the time he &quot;had no choice&quot;.

Example two:  a boy is out walking his dog.  The dog falls into an abandoned well.  The boy calls the fire department.  They come, assess the situation and decide to send a man down on a rope to rescue the dog.  However, since the boy can't produce a written record of a rabies shot for his pet, an Animal Control Officer is called. To ensure the dog will not attack his rescuer, the Officer drops two fragmentation grenades down the well.  Though the dog is killed, it can now be safely removed and whatever parts can be recovered, returned to the boy.  

Animal Control management defends the Officer's actions, saying it was necessary to use fragmentation grenades because 'tranquilizer darts contain drugs and an environmental assessment would have to be made before they could be released where they might contaminate the water table'.  Authorities and editorialists laud the quick-thinking Officer's decision.

Ok.  That all sounds deeply crazy, but hey.  If someone had suggested even a year ago that three armed policemen in Kevlar vests would storm a hospital room, electrocute a delusional octogenarian recovering from heart surgery, and then announce to the media that they &quot;had no choice&quot;, what would your reaction have been?&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I live in Kamloops.  Up till recently I&#8217;d thought of it as a pretty safe city.  I guess it still is if you are a cop with your own taser.  Not so good for the rest of us though.  And it gets worse.  I&#8217;m going to paste in a note below, that I sent to a friend yesterday.  The bad craziness just keeps getting badder and crazier:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Weird local news item this morning (May 26th): a bear wandered into the Northhills shopping centre last night, smashed a plate-glass window at a clothing store and went inside.  I&#8217;m not sure what it thought it would find in there.  Anyway, the Ministry of Environment dispatched their death squad and killed the poor beast.  Their excuse was that they: &#8216;couldn&#8217;t use the tranquilizer gun because the bear was inside the store&#8217;???  Apparently blowing the unfortunate creature&#8217;s blood and brains all over the merchandise is ok, but drugging it so it can be safely removed is bad for business??  </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m coming to think the &#8220;Authorities&#8221; have quietly published a handbook of excuses for enforcement agencies to use whenever they employ violence against man or animal. Lately that seems to be every time they encounter either.</p>
	<p>You may have heard that a week or two ago the RCMP tasered that 82-year-old heart patient in the Kamloops hospital?  A local police spokesman assured the media the Officers &#8220;had no choice&#8221;.  One begins to wonder how far this will go?  Well, let&#8217;s try a couple of possible scenarios.  </p>
	<p>Example one: a baby in a stroller sits outside a phone booth while its mother calls for a taxi.  A policeman sees the unattended stroller and child.  The thought crosses his mind that this may in fact be a baby suicide-bomber.  He swiftly tasers the child three times (it ignores his repeated orders to stop screaming) and, because the woman in the phone booth seems to display hostile behaviour toward his actions and could be the suicide-child&#8217;s accomplice, he empties his 9 mm Glock into her.  Later, as his superiors hold a press conference to praise his quick response to a perceived public safety threat, he tells reporters he regrets the error, but felt at the time he &#8220;had no choice&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Example two:  a boy is out walking his dog.  The dog falls into an abandoned well.  The boy calls the fire department.  They come, assess the situation and decide to send a man down on a rope to rescue the dog.  However, since the boy can&#8217;t produce a written record of a rabies shot for his pet, an Animal Control Officer is called. To ensure the dog will not attack his rescuer, the Officer drops two fragmentation grenades down the well.  Though the dog is killed, it can now be safely removed and whatever parts can be recovered, returned to the boy.  </p>
	<p>Animal Control management defends the Officer&#8217;s actions, saying it was necessary to use fragmentation grenades because &#8216;tranquilizer darts contain drugs and an environmental assessment would have to be made before they could be released where they might contaminate the water table&#8217;.  Authorities and editorialists laud the quick-thinking Officer&#8217;s decision.</p>
	<p>Ok.  That all sounds deeply crazy, but hey.  If someone had suggested even a year ago that three armed policemen in Kevlar vests would storm a hospital room, electrocute a delusional octogenarian recovering from heart surgery, and then announce to the media that they &#8220;had no choice&#8221;, what would your reaction have been?&#8221;
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		<title>by: janice</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514939</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:06:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>what you are seeing is a joint action between the u.s. policing services and the canadian services.
look up the nau and the spp.
Canada is changing.
there is a secretive pact between canada, the us and mexico.
they will soon form what will be called the americas.
we will be policed by police trained by the u.s. military, the military itself and a company called blackwater.
private military contractors that are unaccountable to even the law.  They shoot to kill.
They are in iraq now and if they kill innocent people there is no red tape like with the army.
Harper has sold us down the road and hardly anyone knows about it.
We will lose our land, our sovereignty, our water rights, and maybe even our lives.
look it up...research...
don't be left in the dark...
most of the media now is corporate owned...
the corporations control the government...
hence..lack of informatoin..
you have the internet now...it won't be for long...they want to control it like they do in china...get informed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>what you are seeing is a joint action between the u.s. policing services and the canadian services.<br />
look up the nau and the spp.<br />
Canada is changing.<br />
there is a secretive pact between canada, the us and mexico.<br />
they will soon form what will be called the americas.<br />
we will be policed by police trained by the u.s. military, the military itself and a company called blackwater.<br />
private military contractors that are unaccountable to even the law.  They shoot to kill.<br />
They are in iraq now and if they kill innocent people there is no red tape like with the army.<br />
Harper has sold us down the road and hardly anyone knows about it.<br />
We will lose our land, our sovereignty, our water rights, and maybe even our lives.<br />
look it up&#8230;research&#8230;<br />
don&#8217;t be left in the dark&#8230;<br />
most of the media now is corporate owned&#8230;<br />
the corporations control the government&#8230;<br />
hence..lack of informatoin..<br />
you have the internet now&#8230;it won&#8217;t be for long&#8230;they want to control it like they do in china&#8230;get informed
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		<title>by: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514574</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:45:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Where I come from, “tazer parties” is where you get drunk and take turns shocking each other with low-voltage tazers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Totally what I thought I was going to see when I first clicked that headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Where I come from, “tazer parties” is where you get drunk and take turns shocking each other with low-voltage tazers.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Totally what I thought I was going to see when I first clicked that headline.
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		<title>by: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514538</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:11:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Yeah, this is truly horrible, but I also had the first reaction of &quot;wtf were the nurses doing calling the police?&quot;  yes, absolutely, delusional patients, including the elderly, can be dangerous, but they're also fucking ILL.  The hospital needs to sedate and then deal with the reason for the behavior for christ's sake.  (and yes, I worked in a psychiatric hospital.  never once did we call outside police for a problem patient.  that's just ridiculous).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, this is truly horrible, but I also had the first reaction of &#8220;wtf were the nurses doing calling the police?&#8221;  yes, absolutely, delusional patients, including the elderly, can be dangerous, but they&#8217;re also fucking ILL.  The hospital needs to sedate and then deal with the reason for the behavior for christ&#8217;s sake.  (and yes, I worked in a psychiatric hospital.  never once did we call outside police for a problem patient.  that&#8217;s just ridiculous).
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		<title>by: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514524</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:51:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Pesto is bang on.

The RCMP here were impatient, and acted improperly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pesto is bang on.</p>
	<p>The RCMP here were impatient, and acted improperly.
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		<title>by: Jonathan Hohensee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514517</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:14:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Didn't there used to be a rule where every time a cop who wanted to use a tazer had to be tazed with the thing first?  And then they got rid of the rule, because - I'm guessing - it was too good of an idea?

&lt;i&gt;Without comment.&lt;/i&gt;
Where I come from, &quot;tazer parties&quot; is where you get drunk and take turns shocking each other with low-voltage tazers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Didn&#8217;t there used to be a rule where every time a cop who wanted to use a tazer had to be tazed with the thing first?  And then they got rid of the rule, because - I&#8217;m guessing - it was too good of an idea?</p>
	<p><i>Without comment.</i><br />
Where I come from, &#8220;tazer parties&#8221; is where you get drunk and take turns shocking each other with low-voltage tazers.
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		<title>by: Damian</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514478</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:35:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Anyone wanna place bets on when our Taser-worshipping authoritarian rights-surrender-monkey friends will be showing up to tell us all how stupid we are and how we just need to shut up and let police do what they want because they're our masters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anyone wanna place bets on when our Taser-worshipping authoritarian rights-surrender-monkey friends will be showing up to tell us all how stupid we are and how we just need to shut up and let police do what they want because they&#8217;re our masters?
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		<title>by: mwg</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514467</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:06:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>You're right, I would have thought we'd be getting these reports out of Alberta (suposedly the most conservative province).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re right, I would have thought we&#8217;d be getting these reports out of Alberta (suposedly the most conservative province).
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		<title>by: Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514456</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:32:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Has anyone else noticed that all these Canadian taser cases so far have been out of BC?  (If there are cases to the contrary, I haven't seen 'em, at least.)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Has anyone else noticed that all these Canadian taser cases so far have been out of BC?  (If there are cases to the contrary, I haven&#8217;t seen &#8216;em, at least.)
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		<title>by: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/09/canada-82-year-old-heart-patient-tased-in-hospital-bed/#comment-514455</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:30:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7390607.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Without comment&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7390607.stm" rel="nofollow">Without comment</a>.
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