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		<title>by: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514559</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:47:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>It was Vidals' essay,  &lt;b&gt;The Holy Family&lt;/b&gt;, that earned the undying wrath of the Kennedy Family, but he was always more against Bobby than JFK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It was Vidals&#8217; essay,  <b>The Holy Family</b>, that earned the undying wrath of the Kennedy Family, but he was always more against Bobby than JFK.
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		<title>by: calvin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514518</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:29:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mannion is being disingenuous aobut JFK. Vidal had lots of good things to say about him, it was Bobby Kennedy that Vidal hated.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mannion is being disingenuous aobut JFK. Vidal had lots of good things to say about him, it was Bobby Kennedy that Vidal hated.
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		<title>by: firefall</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514354</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:26:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>It's Gore Vidal - if he told me the sun was rising in the east, I'd go check before believing him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s Gore Vidal - if he told me the sun was rising in the east, I&#8217;d go check before believing him
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		<title>by: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514335</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:52:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Vidal wrote an essay wherein he described being asked by Hersh about this story, Hersh having heard it earlier from his own SS sources.(Sorry if I didn't communicate that fact in my earlier comment in an understandable form.

Vidal appears not to be the only source, unless Vidal was lying about talking to Hersh in the first place about this subject........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Vidal wrote an essay wherein he described being asked by Hersh about this story, Hersh having heard it earlier from his own SS sources.(Sorry if I didn&#8217;t communicate that fact in my earlier comment in an understandable form.</p>
	<p>Vidal appears not to be the only source, unless Vidal was lying about talking to Hersh in the first place about this subject&#8230;&#8230;..
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		<title>by: bluebonnet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514298</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:20:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>re larkspur &amp;amp; jesselikewhoa-  yep; this is a typical of sadistic murderers, the whole range. 

ive never heard this about jfk,just that he liked sex in a swimingpool. but i could easily see him or any other misogynist of the era thinking that sexual humiliation of women was funny. this is also why i cant stand watching. Mad Men. I think there's a bit more titilation going on at showing all of that than is ever mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>re larkspur &amp; jesselikewhoa-  yep; this is a typical of sadistic murderers, the whole range. </p>
	<p>ive never heard this about jfk,just that he liked sex in a swimingpool. but i could easily see him or any other misogynist of the era thinking that sexual humiliation of women was funny. this is also why i cant stand watching. Mad Men. I think there&#8217;s a bit more titilation going on at showing all of that than is ever mentioned.
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		<title>by: larkspur</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514267</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:16:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This is just so ugly.  I don't know what the real JFK story is, but Vidal sucks for dealing it as a bit of lurid miscellany.  Back in 1985, near my town, a bank executive named Leslie Arthur Byrd murdered a 19 year old woman (Cynthia Engstrom, thereafter always referred to as &quot;a prostitute&quot; although she'd been in the business for only a few weeks).  See. Byrd had the erotic bath tub fantasy, but he didn't mess around with the logistics of copulating in the tub.  He just had sex with her, tied her up, then filled the tub and watched her panic as she drowned.  He'd been fantasizing about this for a while, apparently, and waited until his wife and daughter went away for the weekend for some Girl Scout function.

Then he dumped Cynthia's body, unclothed, of course, in someone's driveway on the other side of the county.  Eventually he was convicted of second degree murder, despite testimony that demonstrated he was one sick fuck, not an absent-minded jerk who forgot to untie the girl, who drowned by accident.  Nope.  He got his one perfect day.  Lost everything, but not his life.  His first time up for parole in 2002 got denied.  According to the records, his next time up was 2006, but I can't find out if he made parole.  Anyone know how to find out?  I'd like to throw him in Norquist's tub.

I know this is off-topic.  But blame Gore Fucking Vidal for my flashback, and note that Byrd's rush was watching her die, not having sex with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is just so ugly.  I don&#8217;t know what the real JFK story is, but Vidal sucks for dealing it as a bit of lurid miscellany.  Back in 1985, near my town, a bank executive named Leslie Arthur Byrd murdered a 19 year old woman (Cynthia Engstrom, thereafter always referred to as &#8220;a prostitute&#8221; although she&#8217;d been in the business for only a few weeks).  See. Byrd had the erotic bath tub fantasy, but he didn&#8217;t mess around with the logistics of copulating in the tub.  He just had sex with her, tied her up, then filled the tub and watched her panic as she drowned.  He&#8217;d been fantasizing about this for a while, apparently, and waited until his wife and daughter went away for the weekend for some Girl Scout function.</p>
	<p>Then he dumped Cynthia&#8217;s body, unclothed, of course, in someone&#8217;s driveway on the other side of the county.  Eventually he was convicted of second degree murder, despite testimony that demonstrated he was one sick fuck, not an absent-minded jerk who forgot to untie the girl, who drowned by accident.  Nope.  He got his one perfect day.  Lost everything, but not his life.  His first time up for parole in 2002 got denied.  According to the records, his next time up was 2006, but I can&#8217;t find out if he made parole.  Anyone know how to find out?  I&#8217;d like to throw him in Norquist&#8217;s tub.</p>
	<p>I know this is off-topic.  But blame Gore Fucking Vidal for my flashback, and note that Byrd&#8217;s rush was watching her die, not having sex with her.
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		<title>by: jessilikewhoa, lord seitan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514245</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:13:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>i read this in i think &quot;time&quot; magazine when i was in my really early teens and it freaked me the fuck out, tho in that version of the story it wasnt so she would fight for air, but rather the shock of her head being pushed under causing her body to tense up and basically she would do an involuntary kegel.

nothing so much surprises me about it, and i dont doubt its validity, in my poli-sci class the prof told a story about how a president, im pretty sure it was johnson, would swim in the nude while doing interviews in order to intimidate reporters. you have to be at least a bit of a crazed narcissist to crave a presidential level of power. theres no logical reason that sort of attitude wouldnt cross over into your sex life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>i read this in i think &#8220;time&#8221; magazine when i was in my really early teens and it freaked me the fuck out, tho in that version of the story it wasnt so she would fight for air, but rather the shock of her head being pushed under causing her body to tense up and basically she would do an involuntary kegel.</p>
	<p>nothing so much surprises me about it, and i dont doubt its validity, in my poli-sci class the prof told a story about how a president, im pretty sure it was johnson, would swim in the nude while doing interviews in order to intimidate reporters. you have to be at least a bit of a crazed narcissist to crave a presidential level of power. theres no logical reason that sort of attitude wouldnt cross over into your sex life.
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		<title>by: Me</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514229</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:44:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sounds like the 1960s version of a donkey punch. (Which, IIRC, is the supposed act of punching a woman in the back of the head -- during anal sex, to boot -- right before the man climaxes. I guess because someone punched in the head is pretty likely to clamp down, muscle-wise).

Like rainbow parties and other oft-told tales, it's really hard to tell which are real and which aren't, and how often they happen.

There's nothing our nation loves more than scullious sexual tales. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sounds like the 1960s version of a donkey punch. (Which, IIRC, is the supposed act of punching a woman in the back of the head &#8212; during anal sex, to boot &#8212; right before the man climaxes. I guess because someone punched in the head is pretty likely to clamp down, muscle-wise).</p>
	<p>Like rainbow parties and other oft-told tales, it&#8217;s really hard to tell which are real and which aren&#8217;t, and how often they happen.</p>
	<p>There&#8217;s nothing our nation loves more than scullious sexual tales.
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		<title>by: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514225</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:03:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot; &quot;&gt;What will be really interesting to see is how many people who lived through “The Bush Years” will look back on them and ignore the glaringly awful and build-up the handful of good things in order to make it seem like a better time than it really was&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I won't be one of them. My nieces and nephews will hear me lament the horrors of the past 8 years, and if McCrap gets elected, they'll hear me project the next 4 as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote cite=" "><p>What will be really interesting to see is how many people who lived through “The Bush Years” will look back on them and ignore the glaringly awful and build-up the handful of good things in order to make it seem like a better time than it really was</p></blockquote>
	<p>I won&#8217;t be one of them. My nieces and nephews will hear me lament the horrors of the past 8 years, and if McCrap gets elected, they&#8217;ll hear me project the next 4 as well.
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		<title>by: Mags</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/08/casual-cruelty/#comment-514222</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:55:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Back&quot; underwater sounds like a reference to oral sex to me, which makes the scenario seem a lot more plausible than PIV sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Back&#8221; underwater sounds like a reference to oral sex to me, which makes the scenario seem a lot more plausible than PIV sex.
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