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		<title>by: exholt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514271</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:32:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mixing us a defense of mediocre corporate culture that blands out anything interesting that could give people ideas with a populist stance is a Republican maneuver. The big corporations who shovel this shit are perfectly fine at defending themselves, thank you very much, and don’t need ordinary people with a phony concern for “the poor” to do it for them. Wal-Mart is not “the poor”. Some people who shop at Wal-Mart are, and pretty much everyone who gets abused by their employment practices is. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would expand that to include all institutional cultures whether corporate, religious, or governmental institutional centered &quot;art&quot;.  As several other commenters have already commented, institutional centered art tends to not only be stale, but could easily become an unintentional parody of itself as shown by much of the Maoist centered artwork of the Cultural Revolution.  

What's more funny is that one's socio-economic class has little actual correlation with good taste as shown by many upper/upper-middle class American college students who have embraced Cultural Revolution and Maoist art wholesale since the 60's.  

This was especially prevalent at my undergrad college where many of them had little understanding of why someone they considered to be so admirable was regarded by many who experienced the Cultural Revolution firsthand or had family who had regarded him with deep antipathy and the &quot;revolution&quot; as a serious waste for their society.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Mixing us a defense of mediocre corporate culture that blands out anything interesting that could give people ideas with a populist stance is a Republican maneuver. The big corporations who shovel this shit are perfectly fine at defending themselves, thank you very much, and don’t need ordinary people with a phony concern for “the poor” to do it for them. Wal-Mart is not “the poor”. Some people who shop at Wal-Mart are, and pretty much everyone who gets abused by their employment practices is. </p></blockquote>
	<p>I would expand that to include all institutional cultures whether corporate, religious, or governmental institutional centered &#8220;art&#8221;.  As several other commenters have already commented, institutional centered art tends to not only be stale, but could easily become an unintentional parody of itself as shown by much of the Maoist centered artwork of the Cultural Revolution.  </p>
	<p>What&#8217;s more funny is that one&#8217;s socio-economic class has little actual correlation with good taste as shown by many upper/upper-middle class American college students who have embraced Cultural Revolution and Maoist art wholesale since the 60&#8217;s.  </p>
	<p>This was especially prevalent at my undergrad college where many of them had little understanding of why someone they considered to be so admirable was regarded by many who experienced the Cultural Revolution firsthand or had family who had regarded him with deep antipathy and the &#8220;revolution&#8221; as a serious waste for their society.
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		<title>by: Peanutcat</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514269</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:30:39 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514269</guid>
					<description>&quot;the Carrie Underwood song “Jesus Take The Wheel“.

&quot; Heh, every time I hear that damn song I scream, &quot;STEER INTO THE SKID, YOU STUPID BITCH! &lt;em&gt;STEER INTO THE SKID!!!!!&quot;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;the Carrie Underwood song “Jesus Take The Wheel“.</p>
	<p>&#8221; Heh, every time I hear that damn song I scream, &#8220;STEER INTO THE SKID, YOU STUPID BITCH! <em>STEER INTO THE SKID!!!!!&#8221;</em>
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		<title>by: lallen</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514251</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:45:07 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Christianity has inspired some of the greatest art of the last 2 millennium. But Brahms and Mozart wrote their Requiem's as art first, religious pieces second. And as all great art they expand the horizons of their audience.
 
The great travesty of the current evangelical contributions to culture is they are not designed to actual contribute to art or culture but to supplant it. This music, literature and art is designed to allow the evangelical community the allusion of participating in the world without ever leaving the small womb defined by their beliefs. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Christianity has inspired some of the greatest art of the last 2 millennium. But Brahms and Mozart wrote their Requiem&#8217;s as art first, religious pieces second. And as all great art they expand the horizons of their audience.</p>
	<p>The great travesty of the current evangelical contributions to culture is they are not designed to actual contribute to art or culture but to supplant it. This music, literature and art is designed to allow the evangelical community the allusion of participating in the world without ever leaving the small womb defined by their beliefs.
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		<title>by: Keith K</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514244</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:12:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>There seems to be a misapprehension: no one is saying there isn't good art made by Christians. Just that there's no such thing as good Christian Art (or Fill In The blank Art). It just has to have some artistic merit (whatever ill-defined criteria that might be), regardless of whatever message the artist is trying to convey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There seems to be a misapprehension: no one is saying there isn&#8217;t good art made by Christians. Just that there&#8217;s no such thing as good Christian Art (or Fill In The blank Art). It just has to have some artistic merit (whatever ill-defined criteria that might be), regardless of whatever message the artist is trying to convey.
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		<title>by: emjaybee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514223</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:55:40 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514223</guid>
					<description>If you go to Youtube and search for the group Second Chapter of Acts, you will find one of those examples of schlock that sort of transcends itself, at least in the older material (by 1985, it was pretty much solid schlock).  

When a young teen trapped in the fundie mindset that non-Christian music was evil, I had to look very hard to find groups like this or be condemned to the hell that was Amy Grant. And their vocals and melodies are, to me, eerie and interesting; there are other fringey Christian groups out there that have the same effect, merging true belief with some really sort of dark and sad inflections. Much like country music, actually, in that it is a rather limited artform that can be transcended by contact with artistic truths about love, sadness, and confusion. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If you go to Youtube and search for the group Second Chapter of Acts, you will find one of those examples of schlock that sort of transcends itself, at least in the older material (by 1985, it was pretty much solid schlock).  </p>
	<p>When a young teen trapped in the fundie mindset that non-Christian music was evil, I had to look very hard to find groups like this or be condemned to the hell that was Amy Grant. And their vocals and melodies are, to me, eerie and interesting; there are other fringey Christian groups out there that have the same effect, merging true belief with some really sort of dark and sad inflections. Much like country music, actually, in that it is a rather limited artform that can be transcended by contact with artistic truths about love, sadness, and confusion.
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		<title>by: Nan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514215</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:44:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Bobby Bare wrote and recorded &quot;Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goalposts of Life&quot; as a joke.  His intention was parody -- of course, it definitely turned out to be one of those cases where Poe's Law applies.  

And shlock is everywhere.  Americans may be more consumerist than some cultures, but we certainly don't have a monopoly on questionable aesthetics. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bobby Bare wrote and recorded &#8220;Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goalposts of Life&#8221; as a joke.  His intention was parody &#8212; of course, it definitely turned out to be one of those cases where Poe&#8217;s Law applies.  </p>
	<p>And shlock is everywhere.  Americans may be more consumerist than some cultures, but we certainly don&#8217;t have a monopoly on questionable aesthetics.
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		<title>by: Suckersapien</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514213</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:32:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514213</guid>
					<description>Plus if you visited the Rapture Ready site, you'd see this horrifying image of &quot;Jesus Junk:&quot;

http://www.getraptureready.com/blog/2008/04/hey-little-girl-want-some-test.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Plus if you visited the Rapture Ready site, you&#8217;d see this horrifying image of &#8220;Jesus Junk:&#8221;</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.getraptureready.com/blog/2008/04/hey-little-girl-want-some-test.php' rel='nofollow'>http://www.getraptureready.com/blog/2008/04/hey-little-girl-want-some-test.php</a>
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		<title>by: Jenny Dreadful</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514199</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:22:56 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514199</guid>
					<description>Non-sucky Christian band: Danielson Famile. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Non-sucky Christian band: Danielson Famile.
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		<title>by: paul</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514196</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:00:50 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514196</guid>
					<description>Mediocrity is pretty much inherent in anything mass-marketed, just because the thing that's being marketed has to be predictable. Nothing mindbogglingly good, but also nothing mindbogglingly bad. When you think of how many delightful little hostels Holiday Inn drove out of business with its cookie-cutter rooms, everything in the same place, think of how many horribly green-sheeted fleabags it drove out of business as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mediocrity is pretty much inherent in anything mass-marketed, just because the thing that&#8217;s being marketed has to be predictable. Nothing mindbogglingly good, but also nothing mindbogglingly bad. When you think of how many delightful little hostels Holiday Inn drove out of business with its cookie-cutter rooms, everything in the same place, think of how many horribly green-sheeted fleabags it drove out of business as well&#8230;
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		<title>by: Suckersapien</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514189</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 11:48:18 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/07/because-mediocrity-and-jesus-rule/#comment-514189</guid>
					<description>It wouldn't kill any of you above posters to actually read the book being discussed in the article. Daniel Radosh finds a great diversity of Christian pop-culture, most of which is indeed crap, some of which is infuriating and offensive, but some of it is good and ambiguous art.  He also raises the question of what separate the kitschy tchotchkes from say, the Mezuzahs outside of Jewish doors (less tacky, but the intent is the same.) 

 Art springs up everywhere, even through Soviet and Nazi dictates (I am Cuba, for example.) Even in the Slate article linked, the Christian &quot;Punk'd&quot; had a joke more daring than I've ever seen on the original show, or at a million smug comedy acts on the Lower East Side. 


That said, the prospect that there's a Christian Nick Hornby knock-off deeply horrifies me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It wouldn&#8217;t kill any of you above posters to actually read the book being discussed in the article. Daniel Radosh finds a great diversity of Christian pop-culture, most of which is indeed crap, some of which is infuriating and offensive, but some of it is good and ambiguous art.  He also raises the question of what separate the kitschy tchotchkes from say, the Mezuzahs outside of Jewish doors (less tacky, but the intent is the same.) </p>
	<p> Art springs up everywhere, even through Soviet and Nazi dictates (I am Cuba, for example.) Even in the Slate article linked, the Christian &#8220;Punk&#8217;d&#8221; had a joke more daring than I&#8217;ve ever seen on the original show, or at a million smug comedy acts on the Lower East Side. </p>
	<p>That said, the prospect that there&#8217;s a Christian Nick Hornby knock-off deeply horrifies me.
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