Comments on: Mildred Loving passes away http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:55:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Phoenician in a time of Romans http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513870 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:28:22 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513870 <i>I wonder if wingnuts look at the aftermath of Loving and how interracial relationships went from illegal to mundane in a generation, and think about how a similar court decision for same-sex couples could create the same precedent. I suspect so.</i> That's the way the civil union bill appears to be working here. I just wish we'd bite the bullet and call it what it is - a marriage. I wonder if wingnuts look at the aftermath of Loving and how interracial relationships went from illegal to mundane in a generation, and think about how a similar court decision for same-sex couples could create the same precedent. I suspect so.

That’s the way the civil union bill appears to be working here. I just wish we’d bite the bullet and call it what it is - a marriage.

]]> by: The One True Vegan http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513751 Tue, 06 May 2008 12:49:26 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513751 <i>I wonder what the marriages of these people are like - who think marriage is about being interfertile, not about love and commitment and shared lives? </i> given that the divorce rate is significantly <i>higher</i> in "Bible Belt" states where this notion is king...i think we have a pretty good idea. I wonder what the marriages of these people are like - who think marriage is about being interfertile, not about love and commitment and shared lives?

given that the divorce rate is significantly higher in “Bible Belt” states where this notion is king…i think we have a pretty good idea.

]]> by: Amanda Marcotte http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513736 Tue, 06 May 2008 12:08:40 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513736 I wonder if wingnuts look at the aftermath of <em>Loving</em> and how interracial relationships went from illegal to mundane in a generation, and think about how a similar court decision for same-sex couples could create the same precedent. I suspect so. I wonder if wingnuts look at the aftermath of Loving and how interracial relationships went from illegal to mundane in a generation, and think about how a similar court decision for same-sex couples could create the same precedent. I suspect so.

]]> by: Jesurgislac http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513669 Tue, 06 May 2008 03:21:23 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513669 Thanks for linking to that, Amanda. I had never read that statement by her before. She wrote: <i>We made a commitment to each other in our love and lives, and now had the legal commitment, called marriage, to match. Isn't that what marriage is?</i> I want to share this statement of hers - in particular, that statement and that question - with every anti-marriage creep who redefines marriage in their homophobic tiny minds, not as "a commitment to each other in our love and lives, and the legal commitment, called marriage, to match" but as "one man, one woman" - not by commitment, but by fertility. I wonder what the marriages of these people are like - who think marriage is about being interfertile, not about love and commitment and shared lives? Thanks for linking to that, Amanda. I had never read that statement by her before.

She wrote: We made a commitment to each other in our love and lives, and now had the legal commitment, called marriage, to match. Isn’t that what marriage is?

I want to share this statement of hers - in particular, that statement and that question - with every anti-marriage creep who redefines marriage in their homophobic tiny minds, not as “a commitment to each other in our love and lives, and the legal commitment, called marriage, to match” but as “one man, one woman” - not by commitment, but by fertility.

I wonder what the marriages of these people are like - who think marriage is about being interfertile, not about love and commitment and shared lives?

]]> by: bluebonnet http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513668 Tue, 06 May 2008 01:58:21 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513668 i wish they had a better picture up, though. mr loving looks like ralphie cifaretto from the Sopranos. i wish they had a better picture up, though.
mr loving looks like ralphie cifaretto from the Sopranos.

]]> by: Nick http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513667 Tue, 06 May 2008 01:57:41 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513667 Only 68 years old... Only 68 years old…

]]> by: bluebonnet http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513666 Tue, 06 May 2008 01:55:38 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513666 "it’s kind of amazing that this was so recent, all things considered." i thought the same. i know enough of history, but i didnt know this. this should be in every kid's history book. 'loving vs. virgina'...perfect. and a better legacy to leave behind than that, i cant think of. "As much as I am ashamed of my country, sometimes it helps to remember that beautiful people like Mildred Loving are part of our national character, too. People who have the instinct to insist on their equality, driven by the simple assumption that folks just gotta live in freedom. " amen. “it’s kind of amazing that this was so recent, all things considered.”

i thought the same. i know enough of history, but i didnt know this. this should be in every kid’s history book. ‘loving vs. virgina’…perfect. and a better legacy to leave behind than that, i cant think of.

“As much as I am ashamed of my country, sometimes it helps to remember that beautiful people like Mildred Loving are part of our national character, too. People who have the instinct to insist on their equality, driven by the simple assumption that folks just gotta live in freedom. ”

amen.

]]> by: loneoak http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513660 Tue, 06 May 2008 00:25:26 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513660 As much as I am ashamed of my country, sometimes it helps to remember that beautiful people like Mildred Loving are part of our national character, too. People who have the instinct to insist on their equality, driven by the simple assumption that folks just gotta live in freedom. As much as I am ashamed of my country, sometimes it helps to remember that beautiful people like Mildred Loving are part of our national character, too. People who have the instinct to insist on their equality, driven by the simple assumption that folks just gotta live in freedom.

]]> by: PhoenixRising http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513655 Tue, 06 May 2008 00:00:58 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513655 Wow. And thanks. You know, the fact that one of the couples litigating was Loving and the other one Bridges seems nearly...too good to be true. Wow. And thanks.

You know, the fact that one of the couples litigating was Loving and the other one Bridges seems nearly…too good to be true.

]]> by: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513653 Mon, 05 May 2008 23:48:44 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-passes-away/#comment-513653 When Professor and Mother Avenger eloped to Reno, NV to get married, the clerk asked both of them what their nationalities were. When MA mentioned that she was part-Chinese, the clerk refused to issue the license, as NV had laws against "Orientals" and Caucasians marrying each other. PA and MA then went to Carson City, and when asked again, MA simply answered "American", and thus they got married. It was Harry Bridges who got that particular law <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Bridges" rel="nofollow">overturned</a>: <blockquote>Marriage Bridges met Noriko Sawada during a fund-raiser for Mine, Mill, and Smelter workers and the two became a couple thereafter. In 1958, the couple decided to marry. Although they could have married in California, they decided to travel to Reno, Nevada for their marriage license. However, Nevada had a law banning marriage between any white person and "any person of the Ethiopian or black race, Malay or brown race, Mongolian or yellow race, or American Indian, or red race."[1] At the county courthouse, the clerk refused to give the couple a marriage license on account of Ms. Sawada's race being "yellow."[2] Bridges and Sawada then sought a court order from District Judge Taylor Wines for issuance of the marriage license. Judge Wines granted the order, in direct contradiction to the law, and the couple married December 10, 1958. This order prompted the Nevada legislature to repeal all anti-miscegenation laws in the State on March 17, 1959. In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court declared all such anti-miscegenation laws to be unconstitutional in the decision Loving v. Virginia.[3]</blockquote> MA and PA got married 2 years before that. When Professor and Mother Avenger eloped to Reno, NV to get married, the clerk asked both of them what their nationalities were. When MA mentioned that she was part-Chinese, the clerk refused to issue the license, as NV had laws against “Orientals” and Caucasians marrying each other.

PA and MA then went to Carson City, and when asked again, MA simply answered “American”, and thus they got married.

It was Harry Bridges who got that particular law overturned:

Marriage

Bridges met Noriko Sawada during a fund-raiser for Mine, Mill, and Smelter workers and the two became a couple thereafter. In 1958, the couple decided to marry. Although they could have married in California, they decided to travel to Reno, Nevada for their marriage license. However, Nevada had a law banning marriage between any white person and “any person of the Ethiopian or black race, Malay or brown race, Mongolian or yellow race, or American Indian, or red race.”[1] At the county courthouse, the clerk refused to give the couple a marriage license on account of Ms. Sawada’s race being “yellow.”[2]

Bridges and Sawada then sought a court order from District Judge Taylor Wines for issuance of the marriage license. Judge Wines granted the order, in direct contradiction to the law, and the couple married December 10, 1958. This order prompted the Nevada legislature to repeal all anti-miscegenation laws in the State on March 17, 1959. In 1967, the U.S. Supreme Court declared all such anti-miscegenation laws to be unconstitutional in the decision Loving v. Virginia.[3]

MA and PA got married 2 years before that.

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