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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513927</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:16:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Re: Amtrak being cost-effective only with rising gas prices. 

WTF is Amtrak doing in the rest of the nation? California Amtrak is lowering prices on the valley line... something I attribute to the gas prices. More passengers per train = lower cost per passenger. Lower cost means more passengers forgoing the drive for the ride. It's taking advantage of a chance to raise efficiency. 

Can y'all call for better management of your trains? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re: Amtrak being cost-effective only with rising gas prices. </p>
	<p>WTF is Amtrak doing in the rest of the nation? California Amtrak is lowering prices on the valley line&#8230; something I attribute to the gas prices. More passengers per train = lower cost per passenger. Lower cost means more passengers forgoing the drive for the ride. It&#8217;s taking advantage of a chance to raise efficiency. </p>
	<p>Can y&#8217;all call for better management of your trains?
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		<title>by: Samantha Vimes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513925</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 01:08:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My *parents*, lifelong Republicans who are now RINOs because the party has turned into something they can't support, say that if the gas tax is lifted, the companies will just raise their prices. They are saying we should add to the gas tax to add incentive to conserve. 
If Republicans, albeit ones with good sense who are edging towards being Progressives can see this, Obama should win. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My *parents*, lifelong Republicans who are now RINOs because the party has turned into something they can&#8217;t support, say that if the gas tax is lifted, the companies will just raise their prices. They are saying we should add to the gas tax to add incentive to conserve.<br />
If Republicans, albeit ones with good sense who are edging towards being Progressives can see this, Obama should win.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513862</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 17:12:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This is how I would do it...

1. Decouple farming from oil (farming equipment, basic logistic transportation, etc.)  I don't think it is a stretch to create electric/hydrogen farming machinery.  

One would also imagine, some sort of fuel cell/electric truck system to transport farming product to distribution point is easy.

2. Really push for low gas mileage. (doubling it within 5 years for basic sedan isn't far fetch)

3. Tax recreational utility car to the moon. Wanna drive SUV? how about 500% tax + 1000% pollution tax. (okay maybe not that high, but if somebody want to play macho and pollute the planet. Show the money.

4. Time to kill suburban. Commuting 40-50minutes doesn't make sense. It is time to design smarter city. (think Oakland, Seattle, Amsterdam, etc)

Suburban is the very essence of waste. (land use, ecological footprint, transportation cost, etc)

If I were the power that be. I'll build a city like Monaco or Amsterdam. Except sprinkled with mega high rise and plenty of mix use open space. This instead of  medium/lowrise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is how I would do it&#8230;</p>
	<p>1. Decouple farming from oil (farming equipment, basic logistic transportation, etc.)  I don&#8217;t think it is a stretch to create electric/hydrogen farming machinery.  </p>
	<p>One would also imagine, some sort of fuel cell/electric truck system to transport farming product to distribution point is easy.</p>
	<p>2. Really push for low gas mileage. (doubling it within 5 years for basic sedan isn&#8217;t far fetch)</p>
	<p>3. Tax recreational utility car to the moon. Wanna drive SUV? how about 500% tax + 1000% pollution tax. (okay maybe not that high, but if somebody want to play macho and pollute the planet. Show the money.</p>
	<p>4. Time to kill suburban. Commuting 40-50minutes doesn&#8217;t make sense. It is time to design smarter city. (think Oakland, Seattle, Amsterdam, etc)</p>
	<p>Suburban is the very essence of waste. (land use, ecological footprint, transportation cost, etc)</p>
	<p>If I were the power that be. I&#8217;ll build a city like Monaco or Amsterdam. Except sprinkled with mega high rise and plenty of mix use open space. This instead of  medium/lowrise.
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		<title>by: PhoenixRising</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513855</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:52:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;The pollution story is the same. As long as the real costs of producing energy via oil/coal/hydro-electric/nuclear/etc. are not accounted for by The Market, no significant change will occur.&lt;/i&gt;

Precisely. And that's why deep6 has it figured out: Government's role in setting energy policy should be to impose the costs of energy on the users, not to attempt to level the playing field so that taxation of energy use is less regressive.

The reality is that the market can solve the energy crisis and the climate crisis given the right set of inputs, and governments cannot--or we would have done it already.

If we taxed carbon use flatly, and stopped subsidizing Big Oil to the tune of about 20 billion dollars a year, Big Oil would be motivated to clean up its act. Tomorrow.

Obviously markets can't solve problems they are incentivized to ignore, and they're lousy mechanisms for setting policies and goals. What markets are really good at innovating solutions to problems that cost existing businesses money or create opportunities for profit in new kinds of businesses. Capitalism is incredibly creative. 

However, at this time our energy policies hobble that creativity by subsidizing dumbth at the corporate level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The pollution story is the same. As long as the real costs of producing energy via oil/coal/hydro-electric/nuclear/etc. are not accounted for by The Market, no significant change will occur.</i></p>
	<p>Precisely. And that&#8217;s why deep6 has it figured out: Government&#8217;s role in setting energy policy should be to impose the costs of energy on the users, not to attempt to level the playing field so that taxation of energy use is less regressive.</p>
	<p>The reality is that the market can solve the energy crisis and the climate crisis given the right set of inputs, and governments cannot&#8211;or we would have done it already.</p>
	<p>If we taxed carbon use flatly, and stopped subsidizing Big Oil to the tune of about 20 billion dollars a year, Big Oil would be motivated to clean up its act. Tomorrow.</p>
	<p>Obviously markets can&#8217;t solve problems they are incentivized to ignore, and they&#8217;re lousy mechanisms for setting policies and goals. What markets are really good at innovating solutions to problems that cost existing businesses money or create opportunities for profit in new kinds of businesses. Capitalism is incredibly creative. </p>
	<p>However, at this time our energy policies hobble that creativity by subsidizing dumbth at the corporate level.
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		<title>by: deep6</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513838</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 16:02:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>What I find difficult to understand is why proponents of a carbon tax (gas, oil, coal) are pushing a revenue-neutral tax and not a revenue-positive one.  I'm not being snarky.  I'd really like to know why it's a good idea to give rebates back to US consumers based on an even split share of revenue from the tax, or to proportionally decrease income or payroll taxes if a carbon tax is implemented... which are the revenue-neutral options thus far.  To some degree I understand carbon taxes would be regressive, but if the cost of producing such high carbon-emitting goods is passed on to consumers, won't consumers who can't afford the higher cost of &quot;super&quot;carbon goods make more eco-friendly purchases?  Wouldn't this bring some sort of cost parity to green consumer goods, which, right now are pretty expensive compared to non-green consumer goods?  Isn't that worth a tax that, on its face, is regressive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What I find difficult to understand is why proponents of a carbon tax (gas, oil, coal) are pushing a revenue-neutral tax and not a revenue-positive one.  I&#8217;m not being snarky.  I&#8217;d really like to know why it&#8217;s a good idea to give rebates back to US consumers based on an even split share of revenue from the tax, or to proportionally decrease income or payroll taxes if a carbon tax is implemented&#8230; which are the revenue-neutral options thus far.  To some degree I understand carbon taxes would be regressive, but if the cost of producing such high carbon-emitting goods is passed on to consumers, won&#8217;t consumers who can&#8217;t afford the higher cost of &#8220;super&#8221;carbon goods make more eco-friendly purchases?  Wouldn&#8217;t this bring some sort of cost parity to green consumer goods, which, right now are pretty expensive compared to non-green consumer goods?  Isn&#8217;t that worth a tax that, on its face, is regressive?
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513804</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:44:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Try this on..it isn't that oil is getting expensive...it's that our dollar is devaluing.  Think peso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Try this on..it isn&#8217;t that oil is getting expensive&#8230;it&#8217;s that our dollar is devaluing.  Think peso.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513803</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:43:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Another day another record

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/06/AR2008050600498.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Oil nears $123 on $200 oil prediction, supply concerns

Oil futures blasted to a new record near $123 a barrel Tuesday, gaining momentum as investors bought on a forecast of much higher prices and on any news hinting at supply shortages. Retail gas prices edged lower, but appear poised to rise to new records of their own in coming weeks.

A new Goldman Sachs prediction that oil prices could rise to $150 to $200 within two years seemed to motivate much of Tuesday's buying, although a falling dollar and increasing concerns about declining crude production in Mexico and Russia contributed, analysts say.

The Energy Department raised its oil and gasoline price forecasts, but also predicted that high prices will cut demand more than previously thought.

Light, sweet crude for June delivery jumped to a new record of $122.73 a barrel before retreating to settle up $1.87 at $121.84 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Another day another record</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/06/AR2008050600498.html?hpid=moreheadlines' rel='nofollow'>www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/06/AR2008050600498.html?hpid=moreheadlines</a></p>
	<p>Oil nears $123 on $200 oil prediction, supply concerns</p>
	<p>Oil futures blasted to a new record near $123 a barrel Tuesday, gaining momentum as investors bought on a forecast of much higher prices and on any news hinting at supply shortages. Retail gas prices edged lower, but appear poised to rise to new records of their own in coming weeks.</p>
	<p>A new Goldman Sachs prediction that oil prices could rise to $150 to $200 within two years seemed to motivate much of Tuesday&#8217;s buying, although a falling dollar and increasing concerns about declining crude production in Mexico and Russia contributed, analysts say.</p>
	<p>The Energy Department raised its oil and gasoline price forecasts, but also predicted that high prices will cut demand more than previously thought.</p>
	<p>Light, sweet crude for June delivery jumped to a new record of $122.73 a barrel before retreating to settle up $1.87 at $121.84 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
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		<title>by: Chris Adams</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513772</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:04:04 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Auguste: Exactly! It took prolonged &amp;gt;$3/gallon pricing before people started questioning whether a 6,000lb SUV was the best way to haul their briefcase into work because it hard to ignore a harsh reality-check every week. One imagines that if gas approached European levels we might even rediscover public transit (although when I checked about a month ago we'd need to break $10/gallon before Amtrak would be cost-effective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Auguste: Exactly! It took prolonged &gt;$3/gallon pricing before people started questioning whether a 6,000lb SUV was the best way to haul their briefcase into work because it hard to ignore a harsh reality-check every week. One imagines that if gas approached European levels we might even rediscover public transit (although when I checked about a month ago we&#8217;d need to break $10/gallon before Amtrak would be cost-effective).
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		<title>by: Tatarize</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513760</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:23:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I hereby pre-retroactively apply for all such future offers with expired entry dates.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hereby pre-retroactively apply for all such future offers with expired entry dates.</p>
	<p>Thank you.
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		<title>by: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/bingo/#comment-513738</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 12:16:52 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;e.g. a per-gallon carbon tax&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Where would you pay that? At the pump, for example? That's a good idea, I wonder why no one's thought of it before/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>e.g. a per-gallon carbon tax</p></blockquote>
	<p>Where would you pay that? At the pump, for example? That&#8217;s a good idea, I wonder why no one&#8217;s thought of it before/
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