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		<title>by: Bananaphone</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-514522</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:50:38 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Damn you!  I wasn't going to watch the clip, but I had to follow the &quot;Casual Cruelty&quot; post you had on 5/9 (JFK nearly drowning women in the bathtub during sex?  How could I not?) and it linked to this post, and I CLICKED ON THE CLIP to see how the two posts were connected.  Now, dammitall, you've got me hooked!  Now I have to watch the show.  DAMN YOU!  I'm too busy to spend another hour watching TV!  What am I going to tell &quot;Lost&quot;?  That I'm seeing another TV show?  

This is all your fault.... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Damn you!  I wasn&#8217;t going to watch the clip, but I had to follow the &#8220;Casual Cruelty&#8221; post you had on 5/9 (JFK nearly drowning women in the bathtub during sex?  How could I not?) and it linked to this post, and I CLICKED ON THE CLIP to see how the two posts were connected.  Now, dammitall, you&#8217;ve got me hooked!  Now I have to watch the show.  DAMN YOU!  I&#8217;m too busy to spend another hour watching TV!  What am I going to tell &#8220;Lost&#8221;?  That I&#8217;m seeing another TV show?  </p>
	<p>This is all your fault&#8230;. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: TP</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-514096</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:00:16 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I love my appleTV. If it weren't for Turner Classic Movies, I'd dump my cable bill for it. I think I would spend much less to simply buy the shows I want - and the few I have time to watch - rather than pay month after month. 

There was a time, in the 1930s, when movie executives realized that mostly women went to movie houses, particularly matinees. This realization led to a slew of &quot;Women's Pictures&quot;, starring forgotten greats like Ruth Chatterton and Kay Francis. Though never as feminist as one might wish, they are often far more pro-woman than any movie between world war two and the seventies. 

The other day I saw one called &quot;Stranded&quot; and the man had to admit he was wrong about being a sexist ass to Kay Francis at the end. It's a rare thing to see in any old movie. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love my appleTV. If it weren&#8217;t for Turner Classic Movies, I&#8217;d dump my cable bill for it. I think I would spend much less to simply buy the shows I want - and the few I have time to watch - rather than pay month after month. </p>
	<p>There was a time, in the 1930s, when movie executives realized that mostly women went to movie houses, particularly matinees. This realization led to a slew of &#8220;Women&#8217;s Pictures&#8221;, starring forgotten greats like Ruth Chatterton and Kay Francis. Though never as feminist as one might wish, they are often far more pro-woman than any movie between world war two and the seventies. </p>
	<p>The other day I saw one called &#8220;Stranded&#8221; and the man had to admit he was wrong about being a sexist ass to Kay Francis at the end. It&#8217;s a rare thing to see in any old movie.
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513792</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:34:11 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Chick flicks don't pull the numbers as much.  It's all about the money.  If Art was what the paying public wanted, we'd see more of it.  Instead, we get McFilms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chick flicks don&#8217;t pull the numbers as much.  It&#8217;s all about the money.  If Art was what the paying public wanted, we&#8217;d see more of it.  Instead, we get McFilms.
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		<title>by: seeker6079</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513670</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 03:25:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I know how you feel, Catnik.  My point was that the boomers act like they invented idealism and popular movements, a belief of self-satisfied narcissism.  A.Lizard's riposte (if one can call it that) is to misstate that I feel that &quot;political progressivism wasn’t invented by the generation who is now in its twenties&quot; and then go on to say, in effect, &quot;and boomers invented the internet!&quot;  (Rolls eyes.)  

I should be thankful, though, because he/she/it does rather make two of my points better than I did: (1) that many boomers really don't listen to anybody else if it conflicts with their own views and self-regard; and (2) that many boomers can't wait to rush to self-congratulation and dismissal of the views of others.  &quot;Yay Me!&quot; should be tattooed on many such an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I know how you feel, Catnik.  My point was that the boomers act like they invented idealism and popular movements, a belief of self-satisfied narcissism.  A.Lizard&#8217;s riposte (if one can call it that) is to misstate that I feel that &#8220;political progressivism wasn’t invented by the generation who is now in its twenties&#8221; and then go on to say, in effect, &#8220;and boomers invented the internet!&#8221;  (Rolls eyes.)  </p>
	<p>I should be thankful, though, because he/she/it does rather make two of my points better than I did: (1) that many boomers really don&#8217;t listen to anybody else if it conflicts with their own views and self-regard; and (2) that many boomers can&#8217;t wait to rush to self-congratulation and dismissal of the views of others.  &#8220;Yay Me!&#8221; should be tattooed on many such an ass.
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		<title>by: Catnik</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513661</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:29:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Lizard.

Hiya.  

You know two things about me.  My age, and that I voted for Clinton.  You really should kindly refrain from making assumptions about my zealotry, or what I believe.    It's a touch hypocritical to harangue my supposed &quot;imperviousness to facts,&quot; without bothering to gather any to base your statements on.  That straw man is looking kind of the worse for wear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Lizard.</p>
	<p>Hiya.  </p>
	<p>You know two things about me.  My age, and that I voted for Clinton.  You really should kindly refrain from making assumptions about my zealotry, or what I believe.    It&#8217;s a touch hypocritical to harangue my supposed &#8220;imperviousness to facts,&#8221; without bothering to gather any to base your statements on.  That straw man is looking kind of the worse for wear.
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513658</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:15:03 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>(I'll hold my tongue about &quot;preening self-importance,&quot; because I'm more curious about &quot;Mad Men&quot; than about another round of the primary battledrome.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(I&#8217;ll hold my tongue about &#8220;preening self-importance,&#8221; because I&#8217;m more curious about &#8220;Mad Men&#8221; than about another round of the primary battledrome.)
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513657</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:11:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I haven't seen &quot;Mad Men,&quot; but I thought I had read at least one early critique that it went so far in showing women being dismissed and objectified that it began to cross a line into _reveling_ in that casual sadism rather than calling it into question.  (I have zero recall about where I might have seen that.)  Did the show shift in a different direction after a few episodes, or could it still be received that way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;Mad Men,&#8221; but I thought I had read at least one early critique that it went so far in showing women being dismissed and objectified that it began to cross a line into _reveling_ in that casual sadism rather than calling it into question.  (I have zero recall about where I might have seen that.)  Did the show shift in a different direction after a few episodes, or could it still be received that way?
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		<title>by: Ultra Magnus</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513619</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:32:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post Amanda. I'd have to say my favorite episode was when Betty discovered the joys of the washing machine. We'd seen Don have his affairs and while she didn't it did show that she had a desire outside of him and, quite frankly, she *probably* wasn't that sexually fulfilled. The treatment of the female neighbor who was divorced and Betty's interaction with the neighbor's son was interesting as well. There was a great scene between the two where this woman who is supposed to have everything has to reach out to a child and all he can say is, &quot;I don't know how long 15 minutes is but my mom will come back soon&quot; (I'm paraphrasing). 

And it was surprising for me to realize just how racially divided society was back then. I was expecting them to treat the black characters badly but I will admit I was surprised at the treatment of Jewish and Italian characters. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Great post Amanda. I&#8217;d have to say my favorite episode was when Betty discovered the joys of the washing machine. We&#8217;d seen Don have his affairs and while she didn&#8217;t it did show that she had a desire outside of him and, quite frankly, she *probably* wasn&#8217;t that sexually fulfilled. The treatment of the female neighbor who was divorced and Betty&#8217;s interaction with the neighbor&#8217;s son was interesting as well. There was a great scene between the two where this woman who is supposed to have everything has to reach out to a child and all he can say is, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how long 15 minutes is but my mom will come back soon&#8221; (I&#8217;m paraphrasing). </p>
	<p>And it was surprising for me to realize just how racially divided society was back then. I was expecting them to treat the black characters badly but I will admit I was surprised at the treatment of Jewish and Italian characters.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513598</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:46:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Our best and brightest basically went into technology businesses.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...which wouldn't necessarily be a problem.  But many of those &quot;best and brightest&quot; were amoral/immoral money-grubbing scum who saw their role in the world as making the most money and dying with the most toys.  Combined with the belief that it's perfectly okay to screw as many people as possible on your way up, you have the makings of Bushism as we see it today.

It must be cool to think you live entirely apart from the rest of humanity, and achieved your success without any benefits received from the rest of society...

...or maybe it just makes you an asshole... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Our best and brightest basically went into technology businesses.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>&#8230;which wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be a problem.  But many of those &#8220;best and brightest&#8221; were amoral/immoral money-grubbing scum who saw their role in the world as making the most money and dying with the most toys.  Combined with the belief that it&#8217;s perfectly okay to screw as many people as possible on your way up, you have the makings of Bushism as we see it today.</p>
	<p>It must be cool to think you live entirely apart from the rest of humanity, and achieved your success without any benefits received from the rest of society&#8230;</p>
	<p>&#8230;or maybe it just makes you an asshole&#8230;
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		<title>by: A.Lizard</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/05/7150/#comment-513590</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:00:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>to seeker6079 and Marcotte:
I'd be the first to say that the boomer generation has delivered incredibly bad government. Our best and brightest basically went into technology businesses. 

That said, we also are the first generation in human history to pass down the set of tools that make bottom-up political change possible... the PC and the Internet. Without those, nobody would ever have heard of Obama and Hillary would be the Democratic nominee, centrism, corporatism, and neoconservatism at all. (why yes, I DID work in one of the early dot.coms... and in high-tech startups back when the home computer of the day was a Commodore 64 or Apple II and one got to cyberspace via 300 baud modem)

And political progressivism wasn't invented by the generation who is now in its twenties. (unfortunately, part of my generations' failure in government showed up in the educational system, otherwise stating this on a public forum would be superfluous. )

to Catnik
You may not have noticed, but there are people in my generation dumping on you hillbots, too. Why do we call you hillbots? Your thinking comes from whatever the Hillary talking points of the day are despite your community's bleating &quot;We came up with these ideas all by ourselves&quot;. You are impervious to facts, like Hillary's support of Santorum's bill (now law) that immunizes pharmacists from the consequences of refusing to fill birth control prescriptions for patients. Finding out about this persuaded me that if Hillary gets the nomination, I'm leaving the top of the ticket blank.

 If you want to equate DLC/GOP neoliberal (trickle-down) economic policy and neoconservative foreign policy (Hillary &quot;OBLITERATE IRAN&quot;= &quot;Insane&quot;McCain &quot;BOMB,BOMB IRAN&quot;) with progressivism, go for it. 

But don't expect any response other than derisive laughter when you do. You don't get laughed at and dismissed in public because of people's ages, you get laughed at and dismissed because you people say stupid shit in public and expect to get away with it due to some passed-along sense of Hillary entitlement.  

If YOU and Hillary want to defend Saudi Arabia because it has one of the worst records on human rights on the face of the earth, pack up your bags and go there. Personally, I don't think defending the House of Saud dictatorship is worth a paper cut, let alone the use of US nuclear weapons. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>to seeker6079 and Marcotte:<br />
I&#8217;d be the first to say that the boomer generation has delivered incredibly bad government. Our best and brightest basically went into technology businesses. </p>
	<p>That said, we also are the first generation in human history to pass down the set of tools that make bottom-up political change possible&#8230; the PC and the Internet. Without those, nobody would ever have heard of Obama and Hillary would be the Democratic nominee, centrism, corporatism, and neoconservatism at all. (why yes, I DID work in one of the early dot.coms&#8230; and in high-tech startups back when the home computer of the day was a Commodore 64 or Apple II and one got to cyberspace via 300 baud modem)</p>
	<p>And political progressivism wasn&#8217;t invented by the generation who is now in its twenties. (unfortunately, part of my generations&#8217; failure in government showed up in the educational system, otherwise stating this on a public forum would be superfluous. )</p>
	<p>to Catnik<br />
You may not have noticed, but there are people in my generation dumping on you hillbots, too. Why do we call you hillbots? Your thinking comes from whatever the Hillary talking points of the day are despite your community&#8217;s bleating &#8220;We came up with these ideas all by ourselves&#8221;. You are impervious to facts, like Hillary&#8217;s support of Santorum&#8217;s bill (now law) that immunizes pharmacists from the consequences of refusing to fill birth control prescriptions for patients. Finding out about this persuaded me that if Hillary gets the nomination, I&#8217;m leaving the top of the ticket blank.</p>
	<p> If you want to equate DLC/GOP neoliberal (trickle-down) economic policy and neoconservative foreign policy (Hillary &#8220;OBLITERATE IRAN&#8221;= &#8220;Insane&#8221;McCain &#8220;BOMB,BOMB IRAN&#8221;) with progressivism, go for it. </p>
	<p>But don&#8217;t expect any response other than derisive laughter when you do. You don&#8217;t get laughed at and dismissed in public because of people&#8217;s ages, you get laughed at and dismissed because you people say stupid shit in public and expect to get away with it due to some passed-along sense of Hillary entitlement.  </p>
	<p>If YOU and Hillary want to defend Saudi Arabia because it has one of the worst records on human rights on the face of the earth, pack up your bags and go there. Personally, I don&#8217;t think defending the House of Saud dictatorship is worth a paper cut, let alone the use of US nuclear weapons.
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