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	<title>Comments on: Ohio judge: delete references to Tasers from medical examiner&#8217;s reports</title>
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		<title>by: Cybercat</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-514331</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:16:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>You'll have to forgive Mold, Ophelia. He seems to have some kind of cognitive disorder that prevents him from absorbing relevant information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;ll have to forgive Mold, Ophelia. He seems to have some kind of cognitive disorder that prevents him from absorbing relevant information.
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		<title>by: Damian</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-514326</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:54:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mold,

Kindly disappear.  You are worthless.  As long as you continue to hold the supposed authority of abusers over the rights of the public, you are unworthy of even being alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mold,</p>
	<p>Kindly disappear.  You are worthless.  As long as you continue to hold the supposed authority of abusers over the rights of the public, you are unworthy of even being alive.
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		<title>by: Ophelia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513809</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:53:56 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513809</guid>
					<description>Mold, the UCC doesn't deal with standing either. The Uniform &lt;b&gt; Commercial &lt;/b&gt; Code has nothing to do with this case. NOTHING. It deals with the sale of goods. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mold, the UCC doesn&#8217;t deal with standing either. The Uniform <b> Commercial </b> Code has nothing to do with this case. NOTHING. It deals with the sale of goods.
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513784</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:20:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Ophelia..UCC was the starting point..gots to have standing.  I do applaud your research for relevant statutes instead of whining.  Citing is even besser.

Wait, you just proved part of what I had said.   So you find it unfair but essentially correct.  Hmm. less ad hominem, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ophelia..UCC was the starting point..gots to have standing.  I do applaud your research for relevant statutes instead of whining.  Citing is even besser.</p>
	<p>Wait, you just proved part of what I had said.   So you find it unfair but essentially correct.  Hmm. less ad hominem, please.
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		<title>by: The Other Will</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513450</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:58:55 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513450</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.

Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule. Tasers may have contributed but the COD seemed more likely to be attributed to the drugs or other causes. MEs don’t get to avoid the law as written.

Most posters seem to live in nice areas with little crime or thugs. One was entitled, ‘wahhh they treated us like every one else, wahhh’. Mayhaps you should tell us the rest of the story.

As posted before, Tasers are much besser than guns. Talking is safer, but sometimes the option isn’t there. Do actions that are threatening and you’ll likely get Tased. Duh.

Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines. Officers can be fired for not using them. So, unless you are stoopid, most encounters are discussions. Oh, in many localities, failure to abide by the UOFs leaves the officer personally liable.

Officers are less likely to retaliate for slights or condescending behavior than the general public. Officers are under scrutiny. If it helps, think of teachers. Only police are watched much more closely. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Shut the fuck up, Donny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.</p>
	<p>Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule. Tasers may have contributed but the COD seemed more likely to be attributed to the drugs or other causes. MEs don’t get to avoid the law as written.</p>
	<p>Most posters seem to live in nice areas with little crime or thugs. One was entitled, ‘wahhh they treated us like every one else, wahhh’. Mayhaps you should tell us the rest of the story.</p>
	<p>As posted before, Tasers are much besser than guns. Talking is safer, but sometimes the option isn’t there. Do actions that are threatening and you’ll likely get Tased. Duh.</p>
	<p>Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines. Officers can be fired for not using them. So, unless you are stoopid, most encounters are discussions. Oh, in many localities, failure to abide by the UOFs leaves the officer personally liable.</p>
	<p>Officers are less likely to retaliate for slights or condescending behavior than the general public. Officers are under scrutiny. If it helps, think of teachers. Only police are watched much more closely. </p></blockquote>
	<p>Shut the fuck up, Donny.
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		<title>by: Ophelia</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513444</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:37:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513444</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt; Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. &lt;/i&gt; 

Well, I already suspected Mold was an idiot, but this proves it. Hey Mold, you do realize that the Uniform Commercial Code deals with the sale of goods and therefore has fuck all to do with a judge, who undoubtedly knows less about causes of death than an ME, ordering an ME to change an autopsy report, don't you? 

I did, however, check the Ohio statutes, and it seems that this judge was within his discretion. I personally think this is total bullshit. 

ORC Ann. 313.19  (2008)
§ 313.19. Coroner's verdict the legally accepted cause of death
   The cause of death and the manner and mode in which the death occurred, as delivered by the coroner and incorporated in the coroner's verdict and in the death certificate filed with the division of vital statistics, shall be the legally accepted manner and mode in which such death occurred, and the legally accepted cause of death, &lt;b&gt;unless the court of common pleas of the county in which the death occurred, after a hearing, directs the coroner to change his decision as to such cause and manner and mode of death.&lt;/b&gt; (emphasis added)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i> Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. </i> </p>
	<p>Well, I already suspected Mold was an idiot, but this proves it. Hey Mold, you do realize that the Uniform Commercial Code deals with the sale of goods and therefore has fuck all to do with a judge, who undoubtedly knows less about causes of death than an ME, ordering an ME to change an autopsy report, don&#8217;t you? </p>
	<p>I did, however, check the Ohio statutes, and it seems that this judge was within his discretion. I personally think this is total bullshit. </p>
	<p>ORC Ann. 313.19  (2008)<br />
§ 313.19. Coroner&#8217;s verdict the legally accepted cause of death<br />
   The cause of death and the manner and mode in which the death occurred, as delivered by the coroner and incorporated in the coroner&#8217;s verdict and in the death certificate filed with the division of vital statistics, shall be the legally accepted manner and mode in which such death occurred, and the legally accepted cause of death, <b>unless the court of common pleas of the county in which the death occurred, after a hearing, directs the coroner to change his decision as to such cause and manner and mode of death.</b> (emphasis added)
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		<title>by: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513443</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:33:30 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513443</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.

Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

By the way...that may still be inappropriate if there wasn't an outside examiner brought in as another expert opinion (from what I could tell, there wasn't....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p> Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.</p>
	<p>Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction. Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule. </p></blockquote>
	<p>By the way&#8230;that may still be inappropriate if there wasn&#8217;t an outside examiner brought in as another expert opinion (from what I could tell, there wasn&#8217;t&#8230;.)
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		<title>by: gwangung</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513442</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 11:31:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines. Officers can be fired for not using them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, that's an empty threat if officers actually DON'T get fired.

And that sidesteps the very real question of whether the UOF Guidelines need to be re-written, given the actual field experience with tasers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p> Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines. Officers can be fired for not using them. </p></blockquote>
	<p>Well, that&#8217;s an empty threat if officers actually DON&#8217;T get fired.</p>
	<p>And that sidesteps the very real question of whether the UOF Guidelines need to be re-written, given the actual field experience with tasers.
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513420</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 09:16:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.

Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction.  Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule.  Tasers may have contributed but the COD seemed more likely to be attributed to the drugs or other causes.  MEs don't get to avoid the law as written.

Most posters seem to live in nice areas with little crime or thugs.  One was entitled, 'wahhh they treated us like every one else, wahhh'.  Mayhaps you should tell us the rest of the story.  

As posted before, Tasers are much besser than guns. Talking is safer, but sometimes the option isn't there.  Do actions that are threatening and you'll likely get Tased.  Duh.  

Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines.  Officers can be fired for not using them.  So, unless you are stoopid, most encounters are discussions.  Oh, in many localities, failure to abide by the UOFs leaves the officer personally liable.


Officers are less likely to retaliate for slights or condescending behavior than the general public.  Officers are under scrutiny.  If it helps, think of teachers.  Only police are watched much more closely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Judges have great leeway, why else would the Bushies want the job.</p>
	<p>Your law student should pull out their UCC and codes for the jurisdiction.  Bare min, the ME may have overstepped their authority and the judge was asked to rule.  Tasers may have contributed but the COD seemed more likely to be attributed to the drugs or other causes.  MEs don&#8217;t get to avoid the law as written.</p>
	<p>Most posters seem to live in nice areas with little crime or thugs.  One was entitled, &#8216;wahhh they treated us like every one else, wahhh&#8217;.  Mayhaps you should tell us the rest of the story.  </p>
	<p>As posted before, Tasers are much besser than guns. Talking is safer, but sometimes the option isn&#8217;t there.  Do actions that are threatening and you&#8217;ll likely get Tased.  Duh.  </p>
	<p>Most depts have UOF (Use Of Force) Guidelines.  Officers can be fired for not using them.  So, unless you are stoopid, most encounters are discussions.  Oh, in many localities, failure to abide by the UOFs leaves the officer personally liable.</p>
	<p>Officers are less likely to retaliate for slights or condescending behavior than the general public.  Officers are under scrutiny.  If it helps, think of teachers.  Only police are watched much more closely.
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		<title>by: V. Bacfarc</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/04/ohio-judge-delete-references-to-tasers-from-medical-examiners-reports/#comment-513417</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:51:36 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>BTW, there is a possible Taser death case developing here in Jackson, TN.  I'll send more information if the story turns out to have legs---the local paper is being somewhat circumspect, since the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation hasn't released their findings yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>BTW, there is a possible Taser death case developing here in Jackson, TN.  I&#8217;ll send more information if the story turns out to have legs&#8212;the local paper is being somewhat circumspect, since the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation hasn&#8217;t released their findings yet.
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