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		<title>by: Erika</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513500</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:43:52 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513500</guid>
					<description>Those truck driver protests annoy me.  How about, instead of demanding the &quot;right&quot; to cheap gas, demanding that your employers compensate you for increased fuel costs?  You could even demand that the government legislate something to that effect.  When fuel prices started going up, municipalities allowed cab drivers to increase their fares.  Why exactly can't the federal government do the same for truck drivers?

It's just utter nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Those truck driver protests annoy me.  How about, instead of demanding the &#8220;right&#8221; to cheap gas, demanding that your employers compensate you for increased fuel costs?  You could even demand that the government legislate something to that effect.  When fuel prices started going up, municipalities allowed cab drivers to increase their fares.  Why exactly can&#8217;t the federal government do the same for truck drivers?</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s just utter nonsense.
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		<title>by: Orion45</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513392</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:14:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513392</guid>
					<description>Well if its biological, a pyramic would be a small predaicious ant with a triangular face, almost always found in leaf litter they build their nests under bark or rocks.  So as they say .... if the foo sh****s etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well if its biological, a pyramic would be a small predaicious ant with a triangular face, almost always found in leaf litter they build their nests under bark or rocks.  So as they say &#8230;. if the foo sh****s etc.
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		<title>by: Auguste</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513293</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 22:28:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513293</guid>
					<description>Wow, you totally had me until your last, bigoted sentence, thatisacutewhatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow, you totally had me until your last, bigoted sentence, thatisacutewhatever.
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		<title>by: thatisacutepyramic</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513171</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:59:33 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513171</guid>
					<description>Hillary's become a republican. face it. 

She's ended the Democratic party forever. Because she wants to win. And she'll become a Republican to do it.

She supports vaporizing Iran, cheap bushy-type-bribe ploys like this gas tax holiday, and follows Rove's race-baiting, sue-to-change-the-electoral-rules playbook.

She's a Quisling to the party, and her husband has become a sickening insult to the ex-presidency.

Wait, actually, he blew most of his second term on being a jerk who couldn't NOT fuck fat chicks in the oval office, so he jumped the shark ages ago. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hillary&#8217;s become a republican. face it. </p>
	<p>She&#8217;s ended the Democratic party forever. Because she wants to win. And she&#8217;ll become a Republican to do it.</p>
	<p>She supports vaporizing Iran, cheap bushy-type-bribe ploys like this gas tax holiday, and follows Rove&#8217;s race-baiting, sue-to-change-the-electoral-rules playbook.</p>
	<p>She&#8217;s a Quisling to the party, and her husband has become a sickening insult to the ex-presidency.</p>
	<p>Wait, actually, he blew most of his second term on being a jerk who couldn&#8217;t NOT fuck fat chicks in the oval office, so he jumped the shark ages ago.
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		<title>by: greensmile</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513102</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 10:50:20 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513102</guid>
					<description>Your post title is so elitist, Auguste!

I don't feel the need to even read the post.


[and I strongly agree with your perception of the collective intelligence of the US voters...what are we who are so much smarter than the targets of ads and promises from the McSame/Clinton going to do?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Your post title is so elitist, Auguste!</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t feel the need to even read the post.</p>
	<p>[and I strongly agree with your perception of the collective intelligence of the US voters&#8230;what are we who are so much smarter than the targets of ads and promises from the McSame/Clinton going to do?]
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		<title>by: Angelia Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513001</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:59:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-513001</guid>
					<description>I'm a company driver. This means I don't pay for the  150-200 gallons of fuel I use every week, the company does. But I see the results of poor infrastructure every day.

A gas tax holiday is a dumb idea from the get-go.  Even on diesel, the figure I heard was a savings of about $700, or a tank and a half of fuel.

Owner-operators and small companies are going out of business faster than ever. Some of them are leasing on to big companies to survive.  But in the end, we'll all have to go to switchgrass biodiesel/recycled deep-fryer grease, or the industry will die.

Even my husband, a school teacher, is trying to figure out how to rig up a distance learning classroom so he can avoid his commute.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m a company driver. This means I don&#8217;t pay for the  150-200 gallons of fuel I use every week, the company does. But I see the results of poor infrastructure every day.</p>
	<p>A gas tax holiday is a dumb idea from the get-go.  Even on diesel, the figure I heard was a savings of about $700, or a tank and a half of fuel.</p>
	<p>Owner-operators and small companies are going out of business faster than ever. Some of them are leasing on to big companies to survive.  But in the end, we&#8217;ll all have to go to switchgrass biodiesel/recycled deep-fryer grease, or the industry will die.</p>
	<p>Even my husband, a school teacher, is trying to figure out how to rig up a distance learning classroom so he can avoid his commute.
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		<title>by: Phoebe Fay</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512988</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:32:26 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512988</guid>
					<description>Thing is, there no guarantee people would even get a benefit from not paying the gas tax. The prices would most likely just go up to what they were before (because that is the price the market will bear), and the oil companies will pocket the difference.

And, not even truckers are for this. Because they know it will just put infrastructure at risk without helping gas prices in any meaningful way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thing is, there no guarantee people would even get a benefit from not paying the gas tax. The prices would most likely just go up to what they were before (because that is the price the market will bear), and the oil companies will pocket the difference.</p>
	<p>And, not even truckers are for this. Because they know it will just put infrastructure at risk without helping gas prices in any meaningful way.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512979</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:52:24 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512979</guid>
					<description>ouch... Bloomberg is not happy. (How is he going to pay for NYC road maintenance?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/bloomberg-slams-clintons_n_99698.html

Bloomberg Slams Clinton, McCain Gas Plan: &quot;Dumbest Thing I've Heard&quot;

Speaking to reporters at City Hall, Bloomberg said of the gas tax holiday, &quot;It's about the dumbest thing I've heard in an awful long time, from an economic point of view. We're trying to discourage people from driving and we're trying to end our energy dependence ... and we're trying to have more money to build infrastructure.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>ouch&#8230; Bloomberg is not happy. (How is he going to pay for NYC road maintenance?)</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/bloomberg-slams-clintons_n_99698.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/bloomberg-slams-clintons_n_99698.html</a></p>
	<p>Bloomberg Slams Clinton, McCain Gas Plan: &#8220;Dumbest Thing I&#8217;ve Heard&#8221;</p>
	<p>Speaking to reporters at City Hall, Bloomberg said of the gas tax holiday, &#8220;It&#8217;s about the dumbest thing I&#8217;ve heard in an awful long time, from an economic point of view. We&#8217;re trying to discourage people from driving and we&#8217;re trying to end our energy dependence &#8230; and we&#8217;re trying to have more money to build infrastructure.&#8221;
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		<title>by: TG</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512974</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:04:31 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512974</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Want easy way to temporary hold inflation down, that would be the trick.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree that the truckers are getting hosed, but we have to stop looking at quick-fix band-aid solutions. American consumers are going to have to understand that their oil addiction means they'll have to continue to pay taxes at the pump, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; pay increased food and goods prices dues to the trucking companies (not individual truckers -- willing to make an exception for small O-and-Os) being taxed directly for their drivers' use of diesel.

They can call the consumer tax the George W. Bush Gas-o-leen Tax (in honour of his down-home reg'lar guy image) and the trucking industry one the Richard Cheney Diesel Tax (due to his more corporate orientation).

The situation is FUBAR for everyone, but after 8 years of wasted opportunities it's time to pay the piper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Want easy way to temporary hold inflation down, that would be the trick.</i></p>
	<p>I agree that the truckers are getting hosed, but we have to stop looking at quick-fix band-aid solutions. American consumers are going to have to understand that their oil addiction means they&#8217;ll have to continue to pay taxes at the pump, <i>and</i> pay increased food and goods prices dues to the trucking companies (not individual truckers &#8212; willing to make an exception for small O-and-Os) being taxed directly for their drivers&#8217; use of diesel.</p>
	<p>They can call the consumer tax the George W. Bush Gas-o-leen Tax (in honour of his down-home reg&#8217;lar guy image) and the trucking industry one the Richard Cheney Diesel Tax (due to his more corporate orientation).</p>
	<p>The situation is FUBAR for everyone, but after 8 years of wasted opportunities it&#8217;s time to pay the piper.
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		<title>by: Meri</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/05/01/obama-tells-complex-truth-in-tv-ad-huge-mistake/#comment-512973</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:56:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I am opposed to a hike in gas taxes for anyone.  For the past 11 years, I've lived in small towns that require driving 1 or more hours to get to a larger city for medical/dental/eye care or buying things more than household/food items (tires, appliances, clothes, shoes).  Most people in these towns have enough trouble affording things as it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am opposed to a hike in gas taxes for anyone.  For the past 11 years, I&#8217;ve lived in small towns that require driving 1 or more hours to get to a larger city for medical/dental/eye care or buying things more than household/food items (tires, appliances, clothes, shoes).  Most people in these towns have enough trouble affording things as it is.
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