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	<title>Comments on: I went to the Stumptown Comics Fest and all I got was this awesome book about an 11-year-old troll-fighting Orthodox Jewish girl</title>
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		<title>by: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512605</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:13:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm not fixated on him, the name just suddenly sprang into my mind as the levels of speciousness and illogic in your arguments hit new highs.

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		<title>by: riv</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512599</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:04:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I am appalled that Barry can use someone else's disability to justify his lack of integrity. If Barry isn't doing this, he's allowing others to claim this as his good. 

I am a woman with two physical disabiliteis which have severely challenged me to support my family. Challenged. I did not cave, as has Barry, and I would be very angry with anyone who attempted to justify his lack of ethics on the back of my disability. 

I'm very familiar with dumpster gleaning, cooking from scratch, home sewn clothing, no tv, no cell phone. I raised my family without pimping them, which in my mind is exactly what Barry and his supporters are doing. I allowed no-one to pimp my disability. I have, without any help from the 'welfare' system, met my physical challenges without losing my integrity. I am now almost legally blind with a progressive blindness disease. I still work. 

I have also been a prostituted woman. If Barry has so little integrity that he can't see anything wrong with living off pornography (filmed prostitution) let him put his ass on the street. Let him offer his body for porn. There are some nasty fetishes out there. I'm sure he'll be welcomed. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am appalled that Barry can use someone else&#8217;s disability to justify his lack of integrity. If Barry isn&#8217;t doing this, he&#8217;s allowing others to claim this as his good. </p>
	<p>I am a woman with two physical disabiliteis which have severely challenged me to support my family. Challenged. I did not cave, as has Barry, and I would be very angry with anyone who attempted to justify his lack of ethics on the back of my disability. </p>
	<p>I&#8217;m very familiar with dumpster gleaning, cooking from scratch, home sewn clothing, no tv, no cell phone. I raised my family without pimping them, which in my mind is exactly what Barry and his supporters are doing. I allowed no-one to pimp my disability. I have, without any help from the &#8216;welfare&#8217; system, met my physical challenges without losing my integrity. I am now almost legally blind with a progressive blindness disease. I still work. </p>
	<p>I have also been a prostituted woman. If Barry has so little integrity that he can&#8217;t see anything wrong with living off pornography (filmed prostitution) let him put his ass on the street. Let him offer his body for porn. There are some nasty fetishes out there. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be welcomed.
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		<title>by: Not Gonna Say</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512598</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:03:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512598</guid>
					<description>Except that nobody got &quot;pimped out&quot; by Barry; the amount of porn in the universe didn't change. One guy's porn site got more popular than another. The level of exploitation stayed the same; the difference is that now some of the money goes to feminist charities. Is the perfect really this much the enemy of the good?

You guys seem fixated on &quot;Robert&quot;. Consider the possibility that there might be more than one person in the universe who thinks that Ginmar is waaaay off base.

I don't know the women and girls in the household, but I suspect that the women and girls in the household would rather have the moral quandary of having porn help keep them alive than be out on the street feeling morally pure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Except that nobody got &#8220;pimped out&#8221; by Barry; the amount of porn in the universe didn&#8217;t change. One guy&#8217;s porn site got more popular than another. The level of exploitation stayed the same; the difference is that now some of the money goes to feminist charities. Is the perfect really this much the enemy of the good?</p>
	<p>You guys seem fixated on &#8220;Robert&#8221;. Consider the possibility that there might be more than one person in the universe who thinks that Ginmar is waaaay off base.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know the women and girls in the household, but I suspect that the women and girls in the household would rather have the moral quandary of having porn help keep them alive than be out on the street feeling morally pure.
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		<title>by: ginmar</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512579</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:37:13 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>   Sure sounds like Robert. The point is ludicrous, the reasoning absurd.  It's tremendously amusing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sure sounds like Robert. The point is ludicrous, the reasoning absurd.  It&#8217;s tremendously amusing.
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		<title>by: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512563</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:15:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>You're point is rubbish.  Barry didn't compromise with the patriarchy, he *used* it to make himself money to pay to own his house.

You don't seem to be able to understand that men and women are situated differently in the patriarchy.  Women are oppressed by it, men benefit from it, as Barry did big time with his porn deal.  The women being pimped out for men to masturbate over on the other hand lost out big time, as did feminism and feminists when Barry pimped his blog.


And you couldn't get much more patriarchal than &quot;a man and his family&quot;.  I wonder how the women and girls in that family feel about the roof over their heads being part-paid for by porn.

Are you Robert by the way?  You're specious arguments sound a lot like his, as do does your irrational sexist dislike of Ginmar.  It's pathetic the attacks you have been making on her here just because you know that Barry Deutsch/Ampersand doesn't have a leg to stand on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You&#8217;re point is rubbish.  Barry didn&#8217;t compromise with the patriarchy, he *used* it to make himself money to pay to own his house.</p>
	<p>You don&#8217;t seem to be able to understand that men and women are situated differently in the patriarchy.  Women are oppressed by it, men benefit from it, as Barry did big time with his porn deal.  The women being pimped out for men to masturbate over on the other hand lost out big time, as did feminism and feminists when Barry pimped his blog.</p>
	<p>And you couldn&#8217;t get much more patriarchal than &#8220;a man and his family&#8221;.  I wonder how the women and girls in that family feel about the roof over their heads being part-paid for by porn.</p>
	<p>Are you Robert by the way?  You&#8217;re specious arguments sound a lot like his, as do does your irrational sexist dislike of Ginmar.  It&#8217;s pathetic the attacks you have been making on her here just because you know that Barry Deutsch/Ampersand doesn&#8217;t have a leg to stand on.
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		<title>by: Not Gonna Say</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512549</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:37:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I said horror films because those are the ones Ginmar goes on about on her blog. You're right, you can say it about most any genre of film.

And you know, Ginmar might have to make compromises to survive, but I don't think &quot;supporting an exploitative movie culture&quot; is something you have to do to &lt;i&gt;survive&lt;/i&gt;. Maybe she had to join the Army to survive; maybe she has to rely on the military industrial complex for her health care to survive. But people can manage to live without movies - if they really care about the exploitation of women, if it REALLY bothers them that women are hurt by an industry.

Is my point that Ginmar is evil for watching zombie flicks? No. My point is that Ginmar is connected to the exploitation of women in a financial way just as Barry is - she is handing money to people who rape women trying to get jobs in Hollywood, as are we all when we support that particularly exploitative part of our culture. Like Barry, she is forced into a compromise in order to have the life she wants. I'm not sure that escapist movies is something that she has more of a reasonable claim to than &quot;housing&quot; is for a man and his family. A family that includes a disabled woman, from my understanding, as well as two girls.

&quot;I am really angry at Barry at going too far in his compromise with the patriarchy&quot; is a criticism that can be fairly levelled at him or at anyone who does what he did (which I find appalling too, by the way, but I don't have moral standing to be self-righteous about it). &quot;Barry is an EVIL SHIT whose every subsequent move should be denounced because he is an EVIL SHIT&quot; is something different. The first one isn't rankly hypocritical, the second one is. There might be some feminist somewhere who has the moral standing to take a pure high-horse approach to Barry's sale; Ginmar ain't her. She certainly isn't a person who can go from site to site crapping on him for his horrible misdeeds; she's got her own shit to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I said horror films because those are the ones Ginmar goes on about on her blog. You&#8217;re right, you can say it about most any genre of film.</p>
	<p>And you know, Ginmar might have to make compromises to survive, but I don&#8217;t think &#8220;supporting an exploitative movie culture&#8221; is something you have to do to <i>survive</i>. Maybe she had to join the Army to survive; maybe she has to rely on the military industrial complex for her health care to survive. But people can manage to live without movies - if they really care about the exploitation of women, if it REALLY bothers them that women are hurt by an industry.</p>
	<p>Is my point that Ginmar is evil for watching zombie flicks? No. My point is that Ginmar is connected to the exploitation of women in a financial way just as Barry is - she is handing money to people who rape women trying to get jobs in Hollywood, as are we all when we support that particularly exploitative part of our culture. Like Barry, she is forced into a compromise in order to have the life she wants. I&#8217;m not sure that escapist movies is something that she has more of a reasonable claim to than &#8220;housing&#8221; is for a man and his family. A family that includes a disabled woman, from my understanding, as well as two girls.</p>
	<p>&#8220;I am really angry at Barry at going too far in his compromise with the patriarchy&#8221; is a criticism that can be fairly levelled at him or at anyone who does what he did (which I find appalling too, by the way, but I don&#8217;t have moral standing to be self-righteous about it). &#8220;Barry is an EVIL SHIT whose every subsequent move should be denounced because he is an EVIL SHIT&#8221; is something different. The first one isn&#8217;t rankly hypocritical, the second one is. There might be some feminist somewhere who has the moral standing to take a pure high-horse approach to Barry&#8217;s sale; Ginmar ain&#8217;t her. She certainly isn&#8217;t a person who can go from site to site crapping on him for his horrible misdeeds; she&#8217;s got her own shit to deal with.
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		<title>by: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512517</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well then you can pretty much say that about all films, not just Sci-Fi ones.  You're making a specious comparison.  Unless you refuse to watch films because of the casting couch you certainly can't hold Ginmar or anyone else to a higher standard.  

And yes the compromises a woman has to make in order to survive in a male supremacist society are not on a par with a man selling out women  and feminists in the most male supremacist manner possible in order to pay off the mortgage on the house he owns (I wonder how many women are on the title deeds).  I don't know any other &quot;feminist&quot; blogger who has sold their web domain to pornographers, only Ampersand/Barry Deutsch.  If you support feminism you don't pimp women.  The cash went directly into his pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well then you can pretty much say that about all films, not just Sci-Fi ones.  You&#8217;re making a specious comparison.  Unless you refuse to watch films because of the casting couch you certainly can&#8217;t hold Ginmar or anyone else to a higher standard.  </p>
	<p>And yes the compromises a woman has to make in order to survive in a male supremacist society are not on a par with a man selling out women  and feminists in the most male supremacist manner possible in order to pay off the mortgage on the house he owns (I wonder how many women are on the title deeds).  I don&#8217;t know any other &#8220;feminist&#8221; blogger who has sold their web domain to pornographers, only Ampersand/Barry Deutsch.  If you support feminism you don&#8217;t pimp women.  The cash went directly into his pocket.
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		<title>by: Not Gonna Say</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512508</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:06:54 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The blood isn't real. The exploitation of women on the casting couch is. Oh, but I forgot - the compromises GINMAR makes with a sexist, patriarchal society are understandable. The compromises Amp makes show he's a woman-hating monster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The blood isn&#8217;t real. The exploitation of women on the casting couch is. Oh, but I forgot - the compromises GINMAR makes with a sexist, patriarchal society are understandable. The compromises Amp makes show he&#8217;s a woman-hating monster.
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		<title>by: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512498</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:36:50 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The equation of pornography (real people getting really fucked and tortured on film) to sci fi films (actors pretending to be hurt - the blood ain't real folks!) is one of the more hilarious pieces of idiocy I've seen on this thread.

Good going, not gonna say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The equation of pornography (real people getting really fucked and tortured on film) to sci fi films (actors pretending to be hurt - the blood ain&#8217;t real folks!) is one of the more hilarious pieces of idiocy I&#8217;ve seen on this thread.</p>
	<p>Good going, not gonna say.
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		<title>by: delphyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/26/i-went-to-the-stumptown-comics-fest-and-all-i-got-was-this-awesome-book-about-an-11-year-old-troll-fighting-orthodox-jewish-girl/#comment-512497</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:33:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Most feminist causes would be appalled to accept money from pornographers.  This &quot;but it's for charidee&quot; excuse is a complete red herring.  If Amp is so keen to donate to feminist causes I'm sure he can think of other ways to do so.  Hey, how about donating the profits from this book to them!

What's really bad is that he ran away from this thread as soon as he got challenged on this thread about his support for racist-sexist pornography.   If he's so fucking proud of what he's doing why doesn't he face his feminist critics?  He claims he supports feminism and women, I don't see much evidence of it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Most feminist causes would be appalled to accept money from pornographers.  This &#8220;but it&#8217;s for charidee&#8221; excuse is a complete red herring.  If Amp is so keen to donate to feminist causes I&#8217;m sure he can think of other ways to do so.  Hey, how about donating the profits from this book to them!</p>
	<p>What&#8217;s really bad is that he ran away from this thread as soon as he got challenged on this thread about his support for racist-sexist pornography.   If he&#8217;s so fucking proud of what he&#8217;s doing why doesn&#8217;t he face his feminist critics?  He claims he supports feminism and women, I don&#8217;t see much evidence of it at all.
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