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		<title>by: Robert Young</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512489</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:04:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks, Amanda.  That's a concise, eloquent apology.  All anyone should need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks, Amanda.  That&#8217;s a concise, eloquent apology.  All anyone should need.
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		<title>by: anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512437</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:21:33 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hector - you didn't answer my question, though I guess your decision to opt for a cutesy response rather than anything of substance is all the answer I need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hector - you didn&#8217;t answer my question, though I guess your decision to opt for a cutesy response rather than anything of substance is all the answer I need.
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		<title>by: Hector B.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512219</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:43:17 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Amanda has apologized and removed racist art from this book once already - can you really not understand why it frustrates &lt;strike&gt;people&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;b&gt;Amanda&lt;/b&gt; to have to relive this?&lt;/i&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Amanda has apologized and removed racist art from this book once already - can you really not understand why it frustrates <strike>people</strike> <b>Amanda</b> to have to relive this?</i></p>
	<p>Fixed
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		<title>by: me</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512189</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:11:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Just looked on Amazon and I can't see the pictures described. Have they gone from there?
Even though this appears to be a justified apology a lot of people are using it as an opportunity to beat up on Marcotte. That's pretty pathetic, frankly. Try focusing on actual problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just looked on Amazon and I can&#8217;t see the pictures described. Have they gone from there?<br />
Even though this appears to be a justified apology a lot of people are using it as an opportunity to beat up on Marcotte. That&#8217;s pretty pathetic, frankly. Try focusing on actual problems.
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		<title>by: feministgal</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512159</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:16:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512159</guid>
					<description>&quot;I didn’t pick the offensive imagery in my book, but I should have caught it sooner than now&quot;

I'm sure it's been said by now but how in the world did you not notice it until so late? I guess i just don't understand how a self-proclaimed feminist writer could miss something SO racist and so obvious? I'd love to accept your apology and i'm really struggling to understand all this (the current situation you've found yourself in as well as numerous others) but it's really difficult not only to accept your words but also to identity with the same feminism you do at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I didn’t pick the offensive imagery in my book, but I should have caught it sooner than now&#8221;</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s been said by now but how in the world did you not notice it until so late? I guess i just don&#8217;t understand how a self-proclaimed feminist writer could miss something SO racist and so obvious? I&#8217;d love to accept your apology and i&#8217;m really struggling to understand all this (the current situation you&#8217;ve found yourself in as well as numerous others) but it&#8217;s really difficult not only to accept your words but also to identity with the same feminism you do at this point.
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		<title>by: anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512138</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:07:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>squashed,

I'm trying to understand why you're so emotional about this. While I don't think you need to treat everyone with rainbowed puppy gloves you're being kind of a dick, and I don't understand why. 

You admit the images are racist but...that's it. What about the fact that this is the second time this has happened? &lt;b&gt;Amanda has apologized and removed racist art from this book once already&lt;/b&gt; - can you really not understand why it frustrates people to have to relive this? Can you really not understand how this latest incident suggests she and Seal Press weren't really paying attention the last time? 

Do you not see this point about a repeating ignorance as valid or are you just not interested in discussing it and its implications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>squashed,</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m trying to understand why you&#8217;re so emotional about this. While I don&#8217;t think you need to treat everyone with rainbowed puppy gloves you&#8217;re being kind of a dick, and I don&#8217;t understand why. </p>
	<p>You admit the images are racist but&#8230;that&#8217;s it. What about the fact that this is the second time this has happened? <b>Amanda has apologized and removed racist art from this book once already</b> - can you really not understand why it frustrates people to have to relive this? Can you really not understand how this latest incident suggests she and Seal Press weren&#8217;t really paying attention the last time? </p>
	<p>Do you not see this point about a repeating ignorance as valid or are you just not interested in discussing it and its implications?
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		<title>by: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512114</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:18:36 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512114</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I completely fucking hate cultural studies. This fracas is a proof. They all should be sent to forced labor and reeducation camp&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I had often wondered where the term femi&lt;b&gt;Nazi&lt;/b&gt; came from.

Now I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I completely fucking hate cultural studies. This fracas is a proof. They all should be sent to forced labor and reeducation camp</p></blockquote>
	<p>I had often wondered where the term femi<b>Nazi</b> came from.</p>
	<p>Now I know.
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		<title>by: squashed</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512109</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:55:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512109</guid>
					<description>sure.

But I can't get angry at you when you incidentally smack me when you slip on wax floor.

But if you smack me after you insult my mother, I probably blow your head open.

and since we are discussing art object (not something that  physically hurt somebody, but causing emotional distress) then it is also different.

It is mental process. I don't deny that racism imagery hurts people.  But we know almost everything about that illustration. Who print it, approximately how many, Why they print it, who might see it, etc. The scope is known. action has been taken, apology posted. 

I seriously doubt anybody can find those image 6 months from now, maybe nobody will even remember abut this flap. (hell, 2 weeks from now, everybody will drank their ass off and can't remember jack.)

(I completely fucking hate cultural studies. This fracas is a proof. They all should be sent to forced labor and reeducation camp. Completely incapable of comprehending real world)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sure.</p>
	<p>But I can&#8217;t get angry at you when you incidentally smack me when you slip on wax floor.</p>
	<p>But if you smack me after you insult my mother, I probably blow your head open.</p>
	<p>and since we are discussing art object (not something that  physically hurt somebody, but causing emotional distress) then it is also different.</p>
	<p>It is mental process. I don&#8217;t deny that racism imagery hurts people.  But we know almost everything about that illustration. Who print it, approximately how many, Why they print it, who might see it, etc. The scope is known. action has been taken, apology posted. </p>
	<p>I seriously doubt anybody can find those image 6 months from now, maybe nobody will even remember abut this flap. (hell, 2 weeks from now, everybody will drank their ass off and can&#8217;t remember jack.)</p>
	<p>(I completely fucking hate cultural studies. This fracas is a proof. They all should be sent to forced labor and reeducation camp. Completely incapable of comprehending real world)
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		<title>by: laurab</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512101</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:08:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;This does raise an important hypothetical issue: is an image racist if it doesn’t offend people of color?&quot;

Hector B., I think an image must be considered racist if it underlines popular negative stereotypes of a group, whether anyone is offended or not.  The idea of people-of-color-as-savages is damaging to people of color; therefore an image that reinforces that idea is damaging. Personal offense should be avoided, but I don't think it's the primary issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;This does raise an important hypothetical issue: is an image racist if it doesn’t offend people of color?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Hector B., I think an image must be considered racist if it underlines popular negative stereotypes of a group, whether anyone is offended or not.  The idea of people-of-color-as-savages is damaging to people of color; therefore an image that reinforces that idea is damaging. Personal offense should be avoided, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the primary issue.
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		<title>by: Hector B.</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/25/im-sorry/#comment-512090</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:27:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>squashed -- if I hurt you unintentionally you are still hurt. If I slipped on a waxed floor and accidentally hit you in the mouth I would still apologize even if it wasn't my fault. I wouldn't just walk away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>squashed &#8212; if I hurt you unintentionally you are still hurt. If I slipped on a waxed floor and accidentally hit you in the mouth I would still apologize even if it wasn&#8217;t my fault. I wouldn&#8217;t just walk away.
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