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		<title>by: Schnell</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-513254</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:09:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well I listened to NPR interview with Linda Daves, herself, the N. Carolina GOP chairman - about the attack ad.  She said she got an email, not from McCain himself, but from someone associated with his campaign.  
So there you go.  He didn't even pick up the phone - one of his retinue sent an email.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well I listened to NPR interview with Linda Daves, herself, the N. Carolina GOP chairman - about the attack ad.  She said she got an email, not from McCain himself, but from someone associated with his campaign.<br />
So there you go.  He didn&#8217;t even pick up the phone - one of his retinue sent an email.
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		<title>by: DTG in STL</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510902</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:17:52 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sorry but what did Wright say that was anti-semitic? Anti-Israel yes&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wouldn't even call it that, unless you believe the idea that the Israel situation is completely black and white absolute moral question lacking any gray area(Israel is always right, period, and the Palestinians are always wrong, period).

I would say that he wasn't &quot;pro-Israel&quot;... but that isn't the same as being &quot;anti-Israel&quot;.  It's more like being neutral in that matter.  But the popular construct in America is that &quot;if you're not for Israel, you are against it&quot;.

Personally, I'm for peace in that region that respects the dignity and equality of all human beings there, be they Israeli or Palestinian.

Now I'm sure somebody thinks I'm anti-semitic, despite the fact that I'm half Jewish (I was raised Catholic, though no longer practicing any religion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Sorry but what did Wright say that was anti-semitic? Anti-Israel yes</p></blockquote>
	<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even call it that, unless you believe the idea that the Israel situation is completely black and white absolute moral question lacking any gray area(Israel is always right, period, and the Palestinians are always wrong, period).</p>
	<p>I would say that he wasn&#8217;t &#8220;pro-Israel&#8221;&#8230; but that isn&#8217;t the same as being &#8220;anti-Israel&#8221;.  It&#8217;s more like being neutral in that matter.  But the popular construct in America is that &#8220;if you&#8217;re not for Israel, you are against it&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Personally, I&#8217;m for peace in that region that respects the dignity and equality of all human beings there, be they Israeli or Palestinian.</p>
	<p>Now I&#8217;m sure somebody thinks I&#8217;m anti-semitic, despite the fact that I&#8217;m half Jewish (I was raised Catholic, though no longer practicing any religion).
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		<title>by: DTG in STL</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510900</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:07:19 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510900</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, while I still don’t like him, I do think under the slime he’s wallowing in, there &lt;b&gt;is&lt;/b&gt; more character and principle than we’ve seen in a while.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not &quot;is&quot;... &quot;was&quot;.

Had I been an Arizona resident, I doubt I would have ever voted for him as my Senator, because, well... I just don't vote for Republicans.  Ever.

That said, there were things about McCain that I once saw as good and decent.  I thought McCain-Feingold was a great bill, and long overdue.  I viewed his efforts with Senator Kennedy to resolve the immigration issue humanely as a sign of genuine bipartisanship.  I thought he was highly principled when he called out Falwell and Robertson.

Basically, all the things that Ann Coulter hated about him is what I used to like about him.  Things that would make me say, &quot;He's not too horrible... for a Republican.&quot;

But he's decided that he needs to kiss some Republican ass right now to rally the base, so whatever.  The guy's now just another slimy Repuke with no redemptive qualities whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>But, while I still don’t like him, I do think under the slime he’s wallowing in, there <b>is</b> more character and principle than we’ve seen in a while.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Not &#8220;is&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;was&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Had I been an Arizona resident, I doubt I would have ever voted for him as my Senator, because, well&#8230; I just don&#8217;t vote for Republicans.  Ever.</p>
	<p>That said, there were things about McCain that I once saw as good and decent.  I thought McCain-Feingold was a great bill, and long overdue.  I viewed his efforts with Senator Kennedy to resolve the immigration issue humanely as a sign of genuine bipartisanship.  I thought he was highly principled when he called out Falwell and Robertson.</p>
	<p>Basically, all the things that Ann Coulter hated about him is what I used to like about him.  Things that would make me say, &#8220;He&#8217;s not too horrible&#8230; for a Republican.&#8221;</p>
	<p>But he&#8217;s decided that he needs to kiss some Republican ass right now to rally the base, so whatever.  The guy&#8217;s now just another slimy Repuke with no redemptive qualities whatsoever.
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		<title>by: Chaz</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510849</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:18:18 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Obama sat there in that church with his kids and listened to Wright say anti-Semitic things&quot;

Sorry but what did Wright say that was anti-semitic? Anti-Israel yes, but I haven't heard anything else. Keep in mind I haven't listened to every sound bite provided by fox and other News outlets. 

What I have heard was a man being critical of the way nations due business, a man critical of how America, his nation, has done things. Which reminds me of the idiocy of people equating his critical statements about America with racist statements. Perhaps these people think America = white folks? 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Obama sat there in that church with his kids and listened to Wright say anti-Semitic things&#8221;</p>
	<p>Sorry but what did Wright say that was anti-semitic? Anti-Israel yes, but I haven&#8217;t heard anything else. Keep in mind I haven&#8217;t listened to every sound bite provided by fox and other News outlets. </p>
	<p>What I have heard was a man being critical of the way nations due business, a man critical of how America, his nation, has done things. Which reminds me of the idiocy of people equating his critical statements about America with racist statements. Perhaps these people think America = white folks?
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		<title>by: Mitchforth</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510839</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:00:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
You’d think so, except you have John “Catholics worship the Whore of Babylon” Hagee campaigning for John McCain, who said about Hagee, “I’m glad to have his support.”

So I’m thinking there might just be a bit of a double standard here, hmmm? Or is it okay to say horrible things about Catholics, the largest Christian denomination in the United States? 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't know much about Hagee, but being endorsed by a clergyman is a different thing from worshipping in his church for twenty years. </description>
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You’d think so, except you have John “Catholics worship the Whore of Babylon” Hagee campaigning for John McCain, who said about Hagee, “I’m glad to have his support.”</p>
	<p>So I’m thinking there might just be a bit of a double standard here, hmmm? Or is it okay to say horrible things about Catholics, the largest Christian denomination in the United States?
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	<p>I don&#8217;t know much about Hagee, but being endorsed by a clergyman is a different thing from worshipping in his church for twenty years.
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		<title>by: redmountain</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510837</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:53:28 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I can't believe how much political traction this Reverend Wright thing has, but I don't think it has hurt Obama that much. Groups like this can use it, but I don't know how much of an impact it will have, should Obama get the nomination. 

I still believe that Hillary or Barack can beat McCain in the Fall - irrespective of how nasty the right wing nuts become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I can&#8217;t believe how much political traction this Reverend Wright thing has, but I don&#8217;t think it has hurt Obama that much. Groups like this can use it, but I don&#8217;t know how much of an impact it will have, should Obama get the nomination. </p>
	<p>I still believe that Hillary or Barack can beat McCain in the Fall - irrespective of how nasty the right wing nuts become.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510800</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:24:35 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510800</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If a Republican were running for office and his preacher was that guy in Kansas who goes around protesting funerals, I’d think that would be an issue as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You'd think so, except you have John &quot;Catholics worship the Whore of Babylon&quot; Hagee campaigning for John McCain, who said about Hagee, &quot;I'm glad to have his support.&quot;

So I'm thinking there might just be a bit of a double standard here, hmmm?  Or is it okay to say horrible things about Catholics, the largest Christian denomination in the United States?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>If a Republican were running for office and his preacher was that guy in Kansas who goes around protesting funerals, I’d think that would be an issue as well.</p></blockquote>
	<p>You&#8217;d think so, except you have John &#8220;Catholics worship the Whore of Babylon&#8221; Hagee campaigning for John McCain, who said about Hagee, &#8220;I&#8217;m glad to have his support.&#8221;</p>
	<p>So I&#8217;m thinking there might just be a bit of a double standard here, hmmm?  Or is it okay to say horrible things about Catholics, the largest Christian denomination in the United States?
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		<title>by: charlottemom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510778</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:37:53 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510778</guid>
					<description>We'll see how far NC has come from Helms' era with this primary vote.  I think the students, AAs and transplants to NC will combine to whip Hillary in NC.  Not only that but there are many former Republicans that have declared independence from this party muck.  I called Sue Myrick's office and expressed my outrage, asked her to remove me from her robocall lists as I am know a Democrat who is contributing money and voting for Obama.  Many REPUBLICANS I know in Charlotte will be voting for Obama.  Here's the secret: native Dem NCers (minus the AAs) will vote mostly for Hillary. We'll see what happens.  Don't think that the primary dragging out is all bac, as Obama will be the nominee and he is now able to introduce himself to voters, test his GOTV and amass voter stakeholders for the General Election.  Cheers, margie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We&#8217;ll see how far NC has come from Helms&#8217; era with this primary vote.  I think the students, AAs and transplants to NC will combine to whip Hillary in NC.  Not only that but there are many former Republicans that have declared independence from this party muck.  I called Sue Myrick&#8217;s office and expressed my outrage, asked her to remove me from her robocall lists as I am know a Democrat who is contributing money and voting for Obama.  Many REPUBLICANS I know in Charlotte will be voting for Obama.  Here&#8217;s the secret: native Dem NCers (minus the AAs) will vote mostly for Hillary. We&#8217;ll see what happens.  Don&#8217;t think that the primary dragging out is all bac, as Obama will be the nominee and he is now able to introduce himself to voters, test his GOTV and amass voter stakeholders for the General Election.  Cheers, margie
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		<title>by: libdevil</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510749</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:54:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They endorsed someone who listened to someone who said something. That’s pretty far removed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You aren't thinking like a racist.  These white people willingly associated themselves with a black man.  They endorsed him.  It's not like the liberal courts and ACLU are forcing them to work with him and refrain from calling him &quot;boy&quot; or worse to his face.  They chose this.  And it's not even like he's a well-behaved black man.  He has opinions of his own, and speaks aloud in public, and he's associated with other outspoken black people.  For white people to voluntarily associate themselves with a man like this, it makes them the worst type of people: race-traitors.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>They endorsed someone who listened to someone who said something. That’s pretty far removed.</p></blockquote>
	<p>You aren&#8217;t thinking like a racist.  These white people willingly associated themselves with a black man.  They endorsed him.  It&#8217;s not like the liberal courts and ACLU are forcing them to work with him and refrain from calling him &#8220;boy&#8221; or worse to his face.  They chose this.  And it&#8217;s not even like he&#8217;s a well-behaved black man.  He has opinions of his own, and speaks aloud in public, and he&#8217;s associated with other outspoken black people.  For white people to voluntarily associate themselves with a man like this, it makes them the worst type of people: race-traitors.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/23/the-nc-gops-anti-obama-color-arousal-ad/#comment-510748</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:48:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Airing Wright is not about showing that Obama’s church is a black church. It’s about the things Wright is saying, things that are uniquely about Wright rather than general to black clergy.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Showing the Black church is most definitely part of the strategy, especially hearing the supportive voices after Wright says &quot;God Damn America!&quot;.  It emphasizes the &quot;otherness&quot; of Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds for those who are already inclined to see them as a threat because they are different.

Many of the targeted voters either lived through the era of Jim Crow (and probably saw it as natural and not a flaw), or are barely one generation removed.

I've said it here many times, and I'm sure some Pandagonians are tired of hearing it, but most McCain voters won't be voting FOR McCain - they will be voting AGAINST Obama.  Because many of those people don't want to see themselves as racists, the strategy of the Rethugs is to provide them with some excuse that seems legit.

I can hear it now (probably because I live in a very Red county in SoCal) &quot;I didn't think Mr. Obama was a bad person, and then I heard about that preacher of his.  I just couldn't vote for him after that...&quot; or &quot;...I heard he's one of those mooslims...&quot;, or &quot;...he thinks he's so smart, looking down on us regular folk...&quot;, or one of the dozen other attacks the Reichwing is laying out there for somebody to pick up.

I have to say I admire the man more for knowing just how shitty the attacks have already been, knowing how much worse they will get, and yet sticking to it and taking it all with a sense of grace.

Not many could pull that off...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Airing Wright is not about showing that Obama’s church is a black church. It’s about the things Wright is saying, things that are uniquely about Wright rather than general to black clergy.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>Showing the Black church is most definitely part of the strategy, especially hearing the supportive voices after Wright says &#8220;God Damn America!&#8221;.  It emphasizes the &#8220;otherness&#8221; of Blacks/Negroes/Coloreds for those who are already inclined to see them as a threat because they are different.</p>
	<p>Many of the targeted voters either lived through the era of Jim Crow (and probably saw it as natural and not a flaw), or are barely one generation removed.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve said it here many times, and I&#8217;m sure some Pandagonians are tired of hearing it, but most McCain voters won&#8217;t be voting FOR McCain - they will be voting AGAINST Obama.  Because many of those people don&#8217;t want to see themselves as racists, the strategy of the Rethugs is to provide them with some excuse that seems legit.</p>
	<p>I can hear it now (probably because I live in a very Red county in SoCal) &#8220;I didn&#8217;t think Mr. Obama was a bad person, and then I heard about that preacher of his.  I just couldn&#8217;t vote for him after that&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;&#8230;I heard he&#8217;s one of those mooslims&#8230;&#8221;, or &#8220;&#8230;he thinks he&#8217;s so smart, looking down on us regular folk&#8230;&#8221;, or one of the dozen other attacks the Reichwing is laying out there for somebody to pick up.</p>
	<p>I have to say I admire the man more for knowing just how shitty the attacks have already been, knowing how much worse they will get, and yet sticking to it and taking it all with a sense of grace.</p>
	<p>Not many could pull that off&#8230;
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