And it was caught on tape by Houston station KTRK. Add this foul man to the list of moralist sexual hypocrites.
The founder of a Christian school is confronted after 13 Undercover catches him soliciting sex from a parent, who’s trying to get her daughter a high school diploma.There is a transcript of the foulitude and video. Read a snippet of what pious Jordan said — in very raw language — to the mom after the jump.At graduation ceremonies he talks about God, but you’ll hear the founder of a Houston-area Christian school not only talk about sex, but ask for it on tape.
It’s the middle of the day when a white pickup truck pulls into the back of a motel on 1960. Then it goes to the very back to park for a long while. We already know who the driver is. His name is LaVern Jordan and he runs Parkway Christian School.
A snippet from the nastiness:
Jordan on tape: “Do you have sexual relationships often anymore? Are you seeing a man now?”He goes on to say that this “payment” would involve not one sexual encounter, but several. Gee, how many fornications equal $300 in this man’s book? For instance, that would procure only a few minutes with one of Eliot Spitzer’s call girls. The Lone State “Christian” school administrator’s hypocrisy is mind-blowing.Mother: “No. Nuh-uh.”
Jordan had already promised to waive the $300 school enrollment fee for a much different kind of payment.
Jordan: “For the uh, enrollment fee and stuff like that, maybe you and I can do something, you think?”
Mother: “Yeah, what, I mean what, what, you gonna wipe out all the fees?”
Jordan: “All the enrollment fees.”
Mother: “All the enrollment fees?”
Jordan: “Three hundred dollars.”
Mother: “So you gonna wipe everything if me and you get together?”
Jordan: “The enrollment fee, yeah.”
Mother: “Ok.”
Jordan: “If you and I get together.”
Mother: “What you mean? I mean, what?
Jordan: “Excuse me and I don’t mean to be so blunt but I am talking about f—— you.”
Mother: “You talking about what?”
Jordan: “F—— you.”
Go watch the report by Wayne Dolcefino of KRTK busting Jordan.
Hat tip, NG.
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Well, according to the Law of Generalities that they love to apply to all gays and lesbians, then no Christian should ever be in any school ever again.
Just sayin’.
Frankly, I think the time is long since past when we can afford to allow heterosexuals to threaten the institution of marriage.
Three thoughts about that report….
1) WTF is the idea of having the title “Breach of Faith” in mock Hebrew letters on the linked TV report? I can assure KTRK that my people had absolutely nothing to do with this story!
2) Am I understanding the story correctly that the school, perfectly legal, takes money from parents so that their kids can get diplomas without passing state required courses? How is what LaVern Jordan openly does ok?
3) This report reminds of of why I never watch local news. They took film of the parent’s later rendezvous with Jordan, but it’s being held back for a night so that you’ll want to tune in again, then. Pathetic and repellent!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. When a southern man starts talking to you in a soft voice, at a somewhat higher pitch than usual, he’s usually up to no good. (I speak from experience).
the school, perfectly legal, takes money from parents so that their kids can get diplomas without passing state required courses?
These sorts of schools are often not accredited by the state, and are really slightly more formal home school cooperatives. They issue their own diplomas, but since they often don’t measure up to state requirements, the diplomas are no more than pretty pieces of paper. If you want something meaningful, you have to get a High School Equivalency (or just go to Bible College).
And of course, as private schools, they charge tuition fees.
Unless what you mean is that the school also extorts parents for money in order to issue their pointless diplomas, in which case WOW. Fundamentalist Christians are even dumber than I thought.
Thanks, opoponax! I had understood the report as suggesting that the school could grant a real high school diploma, thus obviating the need for a GED.
I’m enough of a (left) libertarian that I think that people should have the right to charge each other for worthless pieces of paper as long as it’s clear to the potential purchaser of said worthless piece of paper that it is, in fact, worthless.
However, I’m not sure that it was clear in this case.
Is it wrong that I was actually relieved that the story involved the “administrator” trying to get sex from the student’s mother instead of the student? Because that’s totally what I was expecting when I started reading the story.
Incertus, I was too.
Me, too, Incertus and syfr.
Talk about lowering the bar. These days it hardly counts for anything unless it involves two or more wetsuits.
I checked the school’s website, and sure enough, they now list “Mrs. Jordan” as the school founder, and nowhere on their website is the name “LaVern Jordan” to be found - despite the fact that FOUR DAYS AGO - he was listed as the school’s founder.
I e-mailed the school about this curious anomoly (some would call it a fabrication, or more bluntly, a LIE):
[blockquote]Dear Parkway Christian School,
I’m curious…
At exactly what point did “Mrs. Jordan” become the founder of your school? I’m pretty sure that as of a week ago, LaVern Jordan (Mr. Jordan, I presume) was listed on your website as the school founder. Isn’t one of the Ten Commandments “Thou shalt not lie”? And by revising your institution’s website and propagating the falsehood that “Mrs. Jordan” is the school founder, when in fact, according to all legal paperwork regarding the school’s founding, “Mr. Jordan” is in fact the founder, are you not in fact committing a sin – you are lying, correct? Are you still a Christian School? If so, what is so Christian about lying?
Of course, I suppose given the fact that the real founder of the school – LaVern Jordan – has already attempted to commit the sin of adultery, one little “white lie” probably seems miniscule, in the bigger picture. After all, if you told the truth and continued to indicate that LaVern Jordan was the real founder of your school, it might not help your enrollment numbers. And if your enrollment were to decline as a result, how are you going to help save our impressionable young people from all of the sinners? You know, the people who commit adultery and lie and such?
Of course, I expect my questions to go unanswered. Hypocritical scumbags who profess one thing but practice another tend to hide like cockroaches when they are confronted with the truth – that they are just as immoral – if not more so – than the “sinful world” they love to condemn.
I challenge you to give me a non-scripted, non-legal approved, legitimate response to my query. That is, in fact, What Jesus Would Do.
Good day to you.
Concerned Citizen
St. Louis, MO[/blockquote]
Wow. Uh, how often has this worked for him? It doesn’t seem likely to me that they’d catch him on the first try. I suspect we’ll hear from other mothers soon enough.
Heh, at least this scuzbucket can’t say he was entrapped. He practically had to spell it out.
I, too, was at least a little relieved that his inappropriate advances were directed to an adult who could say no, not a student. But then my husband pointed out, wait a few days. If he’s messed with students, it will only come out after this initial scandal.
Excuse me, but how do you take “Excuse me and I don’t mean to be so blunt but I am talking about fucking you” out of context? Is there some other context for “we can go and we can do some titty play” other than, you know, titty play?
Translation: when they say “we are all sinners saved by Grace”, what they really mean is “the devil made me do it.”
With these people, it’s always someone else’s fault.
Joe Max is right. This just proves what a mortal man Jordan is. You wouldn’t want one o’ them hoity-toity types who doesn’t know sin and the need for repentance up close and personal selling diplomas to your kids.
DTG in STL says:
There are still signs as of today of the hasty edits made to expunge Mr Jordan from the website.
For example. On Meet the Staff, in the entry for Ms Tami Jordan, we read:
Interesting use of grammar there.
Also, in the History on the home page, there is a very very subtle clue. It starts out…
You may miss it, but there are TWO spaces between “by” and “Mrs. Barbara Jordan”. It is the only place on the page with two consecutive spaces within a paragraph. Coincidence?
I recommend taking a copy of the pages now if you are interested in this subject.
Cheers — Duae Quartunciae
I think “Ick” about covers it for me.
FYI, DTG in STL: Lying per se is not in the 10 Commandments; only “bearing false witness,” in other words, lying about OTHER people, is strictly out of bounds.
I think there’s no need for the scare quotes around “Christian.” Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian. Oliver Cromwell was a Christian. Harriet Beecher Stowe was a Christian. Tomás de Torquemada was a Christian. If you say that the good ones are Christians and the bad ones are “Christians” you’re implying that moral behavior is a prerequisite of true Christianity, or possibly that any true believer in Christianity would be compelled by her beliefs to act morally. Would you say that an admirable atheist like Richard Feynman or Elizabeth Cady Stanton is an atheist while less admirable atheists like Ayn Rand, Lee Harvey Oswald, or Pol Pot are “atheists?” Christians are what they are. The best, the worst, and all in between are found among them, just like the rest of the world. Putting scare quotes around the Christianity of those engaged in immoral behavior merely plays into the noxious notion that real Christians are morally superior to others.
I was thinking the scare quotes were to distinguish this sort of madrassa/daycare center from their more legitimate parochial counterparts. There’s a world of difference between schools like Parkway and, say, the Jesuit system.
Mother: At least buy me some dinner first, jeez.
Opoponax,
Yes, I did hear the Pope. He’s sorry about what happened to the kids, and of course, there was never any indication that priests were offering absolution of requirements for diplomas in exchange for sex. That does make it a world of difference.
Opoponax,
Yes, I did hear the Pope. He’s sorry about what happened to the kids, and of course, there was never any indication that priests were offering absolution of requirements for diplomas in exchange for sex. That does make it a world of difference.
Opoponax,
Yes, I did hear the Pope. He’s sorry about what happened to the kids, and of course, there was never any indication that priests were offering absolution of requirements for diplomas in exchange for sex. That does make it a world of difference.
But at least he did this to the mother…
I wonder what he did to the poor kid…
He picked the moms because the state puts child molesters away. With moms it could be argued the act was ‘consensual’. Most Christianists know better than to claim a minor seduced them
I’d like to say this is hard to believe, but I can’t. When I hear about things like this it never surprises me anymore. It’s sad that a school administrator would do this, christian or not.
What? No one else thought of the scene in “Forrest Gump”, where Ma had to bed the principal so Forrest could enroll in elementary school?
Spitzer overpaid. For less than half the money Spitzer paid for an hour, Max Mosley had five prostitutes play a three hour NAZI scene. Sounds like the start of a math problem, if Elliot pays a prostitute..
This isn’t about prostitution though, it is about coercion. That makes it attempted rape.
You can be pretty sure he will attempt to laugh off the incident as a ‘joke’. Bullies always do. Then they try to claim that its the people who see a problem with their behavior that are the ones who really have the problem.
Yes, I did hear the Pope. He’s sorry about what happened to the kids, and of course, there was never any indication that priests were offering absolution of requirements for diplomas in exchange for sex. That does make it a world of difference.
Wait, because Catholicism is shitty and priests molest young boys, therefore the educational standards of Catholic schools are in the toilet?
Look, I’m as suspicious as you are of Christianity, but at least Catholics and the more legitimate Protestant denominations can put together a school that fulfills state requirements. These Christian Schools are little more than indoctrinating daycare centers.
I lived next to a home with products of that great catholic ‘education’ you crow about. I’ve never seen more homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant, bigoted and ungrateful spawn in all my life.
Those kids drove across my lawn an many occasions. Rude? Yeah.
What did I get for turning in the kids cigarette stash in the boards of my fence? Rotten eggs on my house. At least they hated me enough for rating them out to save up the eggs until they were good and rotten…
catholic ’schools’ are all about indoctrination. ‘Boys will be boys’ and girls will be silent.
I remember once they made some comment about how they hated gays and I said that what if I was gay. Did it make me that much worse of a person? Did it invalidate my entire life? They couldn’t believe that I could be gay (I’m not) but bringing up the idea that *anyone* can be gay was rather world comfort zone warping to them. They were brought up that gays can be identified just by looking at them. Yeah, too bad they were probably surrounded by them at the ’school’ and didn’t know.
Please, don’t make me puke… catholic ’schools’ are totally about indoctrination and control…
HOLY FUCKING SHIT, GUYS.
I’m not holding other parochial schools up as some sort of bastion of perfect awesomeness. I got scarred by an evil Catholic school, myself. In terms of making good human beings, all Catholic schools and many other parochial schools ought to be shut down.
Alls I’m saying is that those sorts of institutions tend to be state-accredited and offer all the usual required courses, regardless of whether they agree with the content or not. Whereas the other sort of “Christian Schools”, the kind Parkway is, cannot even be bothered to grant real diplomas. They’re just places for Christian fundamentalists to park their kids while they get indoctrinated, as opposed to indoctrinated privately at home.
This may be one reason “Christian” was used in scare-quotes in the title. Though seeing as how teh virulent atheists can’t even manage to hear that sometimes some things affiliated with religion can be not really entirely 100% terrible (i.e. Jesuit schools with good academic standards), I’m guessing I was wrong.
That is all I’m saying. I do not otherwise support religious schooling in any way.
Jeez…
word, opoponax. it’s true. in many areas where the public school system is underfunded and understaffed, parochial and catholic schools are the best education going. my mother hated catholic elementary school, but she was the only student in her (public) HS class (detroit) who could read at grade level…
if this is so disturbing to people, they might want to look into improving the secular alternative.
to PLB:i assure you, the punk bastards of which you speak would have been punk bastards if they’d gone to public school as well. their punk bastard parents would have seen to it.
ye disco balls, i can’t believe i’m defending parochial schools…
the opoponax,
shouldn’t “school” have gotten the scare quotes then instead of “Christian”?
I’m gonna slightly side with opponax, here…
I think he’s pointing out that there’s a fundamental difference in the quality of education offered at places like Parkway Christian School and for instance, Georgetown University, Boston College, and Notre Dame University (all Catholic schools).
Of course it’s a bit of apples and oranges comparing high schools to universities, but I think the point he’s trying to make is that there is absolutely nothing “educational” about diploma mills like PCS, whereas some place like Georgetown - which does still identify itself with a very corrupt religious organization - still has redemptive qualities for its education… some of our nation’s foremost thinkers and leaders (ie Bill Clinton) were taught at places like Georgetown and Notre Dame.
BTW…
Pinky I totally agree with much of what you have to say about a lot of the indocrination that occurs in Catholic Schools in the US, but I grew up in St. Louis City, which has some of the WORST public schools in the nation (the ENTIRE SLPS system lost its state accreditation 2 years ago), so I’m glad my parents sent me to catholic schools, simply because the other option would have been an educational black hole for me.
I have to quibble with the use of quotations in this post’s title. The man’s clearly a Christian, and so is his school. If anything should be emphasized with quotations, it’s “diploma.” I hated high school and got through with minimal marks, but at least my mom didn’t have to fuck anyone to get my diploma.
I went to public school and I’m the one that got fucked, BUT I don’t believe those kids would have turned out as bad as they did IF they hadn’t have been in an environment that encouraged and fostered those ideas.
YES it’s possible to have a good kid go through the catholic endoctrination center and not be brain washed just as it is that a kid could be shit out of a public school with a diploma and end up curing cancer and the effects of rampant inbreeding on humans.
BUT they were placed in a ’school’ that raised their poor brain cells to believe that they were THE SHIT and that EVERYONE ELSE WASN’T, especially those that don’t worship the freaking pope and the holy church of pedophilia or partake in certain ‘carnal’ practices.
HEADY stuff, this mind programming. They were raised, by the cult, to see nothing but the cult so help them god and fuck the others that aren’t ‘in the family’ or those that haven’t suffered through the hypocrisy and pedophilia for which it stands.
WHO did the experiment where someone seemingly shocked an unseen person until they were dead? How is the environment that the younglings are immersed so different? Nurture and programming go a long way.
JUST like the Barney videos and the ultra-violent video games are working to program our young to one day rise up and kill us.
THE catholic cult should not be involved in ‘indoctrinating’ or training or counseling any child, IMO. They have no business being in the mis-education business…
It’s sad, because to me, education is the only thing that will change the world for the better in many ways. I myself do not begrudge any of my money that goes to taxes for education… Now if you ask me about corporate welfare, and paying for all the services that non-profits use, that I have a problem with. For example where I live there is this huge “over 60″ housing area, with lavish housing, which is all non-taxable. I would love to know what shit people where thinking to decide “oh hell, they’re old, let ‘em have their 6 bedroom houses tax free, it’s for the common good.”
That guy is a scumbag. End of story.
Pinky, I hear you, and I’m sure that the kids you describe were as horrid as you say. But a lot of people go to Catholic schools who aren’t indoctrinated or horrid. I was sent to Catholic grade school, high school, and college because my parents cared about my education, and the public schools in my town are not so hot. And guess what! The education I received enabled me to think and question, leading directly to me becoming an atheist! In addition, I learned an awful lot about Christianity, which I think is pretty important in that it’s one of the dominant forces in the development of Western culture.
I’ll admit I’m pretty horrid sometimes, though.
My point is/was that religious organizations shouldn’t be in the education business because they often conflate their ideology and education into some bizarre form of near torture.
My wife went to a catholic ’school’ in her elementary years and now meets some of those younglings that are still around and is amazed at how fucked up they are. They bought the programming hook line and sinker and were twisted kids and grew up to be twisted adults.
I weep for the future of this country with the resurgence of ‘religious’ schools and the control that ‘religion’ is trying to exert (all to well) on government and our society.
We as a society have to value the separation of religion from education or the combination of the 2 will spell the end of our country…
Idiocracy was more than a bad movie. It could be very prophetic. They didn’t call them the ‘dark ages’ because they were so much fun…
Maybe if there wasn’t a choice, like in the old days, we WOULD have better schools.
Whatever.
Maybe if there wasn’t a choice, like in the old days, we WOULD have better schools.
Uh, which “old days” are you thinking of? Harvard was founded by the Puritans. Princeton is a Presbyterian school. The history of private education in the United States is a religious history, like it or not. As the largest denomination in the US, there are a lot of Catholic schools, but there are also a lot of Episcopalian, Methodist, Baptist, and Jewish schools that you’ll have to ban as well.
Are you saying we should banish all private schools and have only public schools from elementary to university? And who’s going to tell all of those Harvard and Yale (Congregationalist) graduates that their diplomas don’t count anymore?
Milgram. 1961.
You’re right, Pinky. From what I can see, religious indoctrination in private schools is a pretty slippery slope, and once instructors and students begin to go down the path, it’s very tricky to determine where religious indoctrination begins and where secular learning ends. That’s why I just happen to believe that parochial schools need to be evaluated and monitored for curicculum and content.
As far as nuture and programming, I’ll do you one better and posit that social learning is everything. Since human beings are so far evolved from our primate ancestors, nothing is instinctual anymore, save for the self-preservation instinct (avoiding jumping into fires, off cliffs, etc.). We have no instinct to be compassionate and charitable to each other, to defend other humans from abuse and wrongdoing, and to aspire to the commmon goods rather than self-serving ends. All those things have to be taught and learned, and school is just as good a place as any for young humans to be socialized and taught how to observe the social compact. When the school environment is constructed as an “us versus them” paradigm, however, is where we have trouble, because such dichotomies undermine the concept of inherent human dignity.
This is the quagmire of parochial education: the idea that some people are “less human” than others, hence, less deserving of a chance at redemption. That’s the big problem I have with religious instruction at school. It can be divisive rather than unifying.
I went to a Catholic girls’ high school as an agnostic–most of my classmates belonged to various Protestant denominations, but there were also Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and a handful of Wiccans, Pagans, and atheists. We were not required to go to masses except on a few special occasions, and religion classes were focused on biblical analysis in a historical context, not indoctrination. No one ever tried to convert us. Most of the student body was liberal–we were there because of the school’s reputation for solid college prep academics (99% college attendance rate), not because of religion. I actually enjoyed most of my religion classes.
It wasn’t the most tolerant environment, but it also wasn’t the least, and I saw much less harassment than I heard about from students who transferred from the local public schools. And we girls certainly weren’t expected to be silent–the high school was obsessed with turning us into “leaders” (not really an interest of mine) and had very high academic standards, as well as an emphasis on community service. I received a more than solid education that prepared me well for college and graduate school.
Most of my teachers were good and supportive, and while I never felt comfortable being fully out of the closet, harassment and discourtesy were not acceptable, and the administration did their best to handle the situation when I was stalked by a former friend who was “in love” with me.
It was not a perfect environment (sex ed was very much of the “scare them with STDs!” variety), but it was better than other alternatives available to me and certainly not as toxic as Pinky describes.
Like any other type of school, Catholic schools vary. Some are bad. Some are good. Most are probably somewhere in between. But they do manage to meet state educational requirements, and they do historically provide solid *academic* educations, regardless of what one thinks of religious involvement in education (and yes, we talked about evolution in my biology class).
I think that’s kind of a slippery slope you’re talking about.
As for the “resurgence”, I do see that within the evangelical mega-church community, but not so much in the catholic community or other more established denominations… my catholic grade school dates back to the late 1800s, my catholic high school dates back to the early 1900s, and the catholic university I attended is the second-oldest Jesuit school in the nation and the oldest catholic university west of the Mississippi.
I think there are consequences that can be seen among those educated in catholic or other religious schools, but I think trying to mandate the outright abolition of these institutions would be blatantly unconstitutional. The establishment clause mandates a separation of church and state, and insofar as catholic and other religious schools are subsidized almost entirely through private funds, they are in compliance with the establishment clause, and the abolition of such schools would be a clear violation of our civil liberties.
I, like most rational people, abhor the atrocious rhetoric of institutions such as the KKK. But as a civil libertarian and one who loves the Constitution, I’ll defend the free speech rights of those heinous people to say what they want, even though I vehemently disagree with what they are saying.