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	<title>Comments on: The Peter urges McCain to flee from Log Cabin Republicans</title>
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		<title>by: wayward</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509948</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:38:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>If McCain was really a Goldwater Republican, he'd be against &quot;don't ask, don't tell.&quot;

When asked about gays in the military, Goldwater once said, &quot;You don't have to be straight to be in the military, just shoot straight&quot;

Goldwater also said, &quot;I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass&quot;

Goldwater was also proudly pro-choice.

Goldwater also gave this little speech.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerfull ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus, God, or Allah, or whatever one calls the supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A,B,C, and D. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: &lt;b&gt;I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.&lt;/b&gt;
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Unfortunately, McCain isn't as much of a Goldwater Republican as he should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If McCain was really a Goldwater Republican, he&#8217;d be against &#8220;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell.&#8221;</p>
	<p>When asked about gays in the military, Goldwater once said, &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to be straight to be in the military, just shoot straight&#8221;</p>
	<p>Goldwater also said, &#8220;I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass&#8221;</p>
	<p>Goldwater was also proudly pro-choice.</p>
	<p>Goldwater also gave this little speech.</p>
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There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerfull ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus, God, or Allah, or whatever one calls the supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A,B,C, and D. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: <b>I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.</b>
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	<p>Unfortunately, McCain isn&#8217;t as much of a Goldwater Republican as he should be.
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		<title>by: denelian</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509749</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:07:39 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sophist FCD beat me to it:
stop torturing them!!!

i reallyreallyreallyreally hate the xenophobia that is trying to take over our county. or rather, HAS taken over huge sweeps of it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sophist FCD beat me to it:<br />
stop torturing them!!!</p>
	<p>i reallyreallyreallyreally hate the xenophobia that is trying to take over our county. or rather, HAS taken over huge sweeps of it
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		<title>by: paul</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509716</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:37:56 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>So out of $240K in earned income, they pay $136K to household employees? Just how many rooms does that &quot;cabin&quot; have that it needs a fulltime caretaker? Is that like the &quot;cottages&quot; in Newport RI?

Putting all those expenses on his income suggests that the McCains are playing some very interesting tax games with Cindy McCain's dividends from $100M+ in holdings. No wonder they didn't want to release her returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So out of $240K in earned income, they pay $136K to household employees? Just how many rooms does that &#8220;cabin&#8221; have that it needs a fulltime caretaker? Is that like the &#8220;cottages&#8221; in Newport RI?</p>
	<p>Putting all those expenses on his income suggests that the McCains are playing some very interesting tax games with Cindy McCain&#8217;s dividends from $100M+ in holdings. No wonder they didn&#8217;t want to release her returns.
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		<title>by: Astra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509704</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:57:49 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>OH sweet.  I was worried I'd have to come out to my parents as gay, but now I can just tell them I'm 'elitist.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OH sweet.  I was worried I&#8217;d have to come out to my parents as gay, but now I can just tell them I&#8217;m &#8216;elitist.&#8217;
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		<title>by: serena kitt</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509681</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:00:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>McBombBombBomb, Bomb Bomb Iran doesn't need to make any money. He's only in the Senate because the establishment Republicans who wanted the seat in Arizona pried him out of shell shock and infidelity to marry Cindy Anheuser-Busch.

Also? Elitist is just code for gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McBombBombBomb, Bomb Bomb Iran doesn&#8217;t need to make any money. He&#8217;s only in the Senate because the establishment Republicans who wanted the seat in Arizona pried him out of shell shock and infidelity to marry Cindy Anheuser-Busch.</p>
	<p>Also? Elitist is just code for gay.
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		<title>by: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509658</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:40:15 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509658</guid>
					<description>More on McBush's tax returns.

&quot;McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain.&quot;

So, that averages out to 45k per person for three employees.  So much the better for them. But how many in America can afford such expenses.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080418/mccain-taxes/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More on McBush&#8217;s tax returns.</p>
	<p>&#8220;McCain reported paying $136,572 in wages to household employees in 2007. Aides say the McCains pay for a caretaker for a cabin in Sedona, Ariz., child care for their teenage daughter, and a personal assistant for Cindy McCain.&#8221;</p>
	<p>So, that averages out to 45k per person for three employees.  So much the better for them. But how many in America can afford such expenses.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080418/mccain-taxes/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20080418/mccain-taxes/</a>
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		<title>by: bernarda</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509654</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:20:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This is one of the few blogs that has the sense to talk about McBush. Huffington had a report on his tax returns and I have been surprised to see little comment on it thus far.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/mccain-tax-returns-latest_n_97424.html

&quot;His income included his Senate salary of $161,708, a Navy pension of $58,358 and Social Security income of $23,157.&quot;

So, he gets 23K from Social Security. How many Americans work and earn less than that!?

He also gets 58k from his Navy pension. How many more Americans work and earn less than that?

Oh, that McBush is just one of the guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is one of the few blogs that has the sense to talk about McBush. Huffington had a report on his tax returns and I have been surprised to see little comment on it thus far.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/mccain-tax-returns-latest_n_97424.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/18/mccain-tax-returns-latest_n_97424.html</a></p>
	<p>&#8220;His income included his Senate salary of $161,708, a Navy pension of $58,358 and Social Security income of $23,157.&#8221;</p>
	<p>So, he gets 23K from Social Security. How many Americans work and earn less than that!?</p>
	<p>He also gets 58k from his Navy pension. How many more Americans work and earn less than that?</p>
	<p>Oh, that McBush is just one of the guys.
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		<title>by: mcc</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509615</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:48:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>It seems pretty clear at this point that McCain's general election strategy is going to have a serious component of trying to make himself appear to be a centrist and blur the differences between Republican and Democrat. We see this in his (strictly relative) movement toward the Log Cabin Republicans, and in his adoption of a left-wing mantle on global warming and environmental issues.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5237&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Openleft has a post on the global warming bit this morning:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Differences between Bush and McCain will be &quot;discussed at great length,&quot; promises one [McCain] aide.

&quot;He'll be direct about it. He's never gratuitous, never disrespectful, but there are going to be policy breaks where it couldn't be clearer.&quot; Two areas of difference McCain will highlight: global warming and spending.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(Note the tiny flag at the end indicating McCain is going to be trying to run as if the Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility, one assumes on the grounds that well never mind the last eight years and the war, the &lt;i&gt;Democrats&lt;/i&gt; want to spend federal money on health care.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It seems pretty clear at this point that McCain&#8217;s general election strategy is going to have a serious component of trying to make himself appear to be a centrist and blur the differences between Republican and Democrat. We see this in his (strictly relative) movement toward the Log Cabin Republicans, and in his adoption of a left-wing mantle on global warming and environmental issues.</p>
	<p><a href="http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5237" rel="nofollow">Openleft has a post on the global warming bit this morning:</a></p>
	<blockquote><p>Differences between Bush and McCain will be &#8220;discussed at great length,&#8221; promises one [McCain] aide.</p>
	<p>&#8220;He&#8217;ll be direct about it. He&#8217;s never gratuitous, never disrespectful, but there are going to be policy breaks where it couldn&#8217;t be clearer.&#8221; Two areas of difference McCain will highlight: global warming and spending.</p></blockquote>
	<p>(Note the tiny flag at the end indicating McCain is going to be trying to run as if the Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility, one assumes on the grounds that well never mind the last eight years and the war, the <i>Democrats</i> want to spend federal money on health care.)
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		<title>by: Sophist FCD</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509599</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:32:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I will lift my voice against THE AGENDA of America’s tortured and angry homosexual population…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, they might be less angry if you'd &lt;i&gt;stop torturing them&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I will lift my voice against THE AGENDA of America’s tortured and angry homosexual population…</p></blockquote>
	<p>You know, they might be less angry if you&#8217;d <i>stop torturing them</i>.
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		<title>by: Av0gadro</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/18/the-peter-urges-mccain-to-flee-from-log-cabin-republicans/#comment-509581</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:05:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But he has expressed support for allowing gays to hold “ceremonies” expressing their partnerships&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh my goodness! I had no idea that he was &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; sympathetic to the cause! You mean he's ok with gays having ceremonies that mean nothing legally, and that there's no way the government could stop anyway? Well, let me just bask in the warmth of his support to the movement.

What patronizing bullshit. I didn't know I could like him less, but that sentence did it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>But he has expressed support for allowing gays to hold “ceremonies” expressing their partnerships</p></blockquote>
	<p>Oh my goodness! I had no idea that he was <i>so</i> sympathetic to the cause! You mean he&#8217;s ok with gays having ceremonies that mean nothing legally, and that there&#8217;s no way the government could stop anyway? Well, let me just bask in the warmth of his support to the movement.</p>
	<p>What patronizing bullshit. I didn&#8217;t know I could like him less, but that sentence did it.
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