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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509746</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:12:53 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>How many ways can you spell &quot;jerk&quot; using the letters in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How many ways can you spell &#8220;jerk&#8221; using the letters in that?
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		<title>by: the matthew show</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509683</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:11:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mark Jerabek,

It's certainly helped the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity. Jonah Goldberg was a coal miner's daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark Jerabek,</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s certainly helped the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity. Jonah Goldberg was a coal miner&#8217;s daughter.
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		<title>by: Mark Jerabek</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509645</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:04:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mr. Edroso has a bit of an ego problem, and like many urban dwellers is also  a bit out of touch with the essential activities that make his life and that of many others like him possible on a day to day basis. Six months working in a coal mine, or on a dairy farm, etc. with no internet access during that time period would do wonders for his  ability to perceive what really has value in life, and might even help him along the road to adulthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mr. Edroso has a bit of an ego problem, and like many urban dwellers is also  a bit out of touch with the essential activities that make his life and that of many others like him possible on a day to day basis. Six months working in a coal mine, or on a dairy farm, etc. with no internet access during that time period would do wonders for his  ability to perceive what really has value in life, and might even help him along the road to adulthood.
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		<title>by: Eric, Rejector of Memes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509640</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:48:57 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;(99% of the time, wingnuts are too dumb to really be funny.)&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I was discussing the other day w/an acquaintace the almost surrealistic LACK of humor in conservative comic strips, e.g. &quot;Mallard Fillmore&quot; and &quot;Prickly City&quot;.  WTFisUWT?

Maybe it's difficult to be funny when you're kicking the downtrodden or something.  Or maybe suck-uppitude is just not humorous.  I dunno.


(and: put me down as another confused by &quot;lipstick libertarian&quot;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;(99% of the time, wingnuts are too dumb to really be funny.)&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>I was discussing the other day w/an acquaintace the almost surrealistic LACK of humor in conservative comic strips, e.g. &#8220;Mallard Fillmore&#8221; and &#8220;Prickly City&#8221;.  WTFisUWT?</p>
	<p>Maybe it&#8217;s difficult to be funny when you&#8217;re kicking the downtrodden or something.  Or maybe suck-uppitude is just not humorous.  I dunno.</p>
	<p>(and: put me down as another confused by &#8220;lipstick libertarian&#8221;.)
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		<title>by: Eric, Rejector of Memes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509639</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:44:28 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Amanda, you may be many things, but I doubt the adjective 'cold' would ever be applied to you in good faith.


Except, y'know, if one were talking about the weather.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amanda, you may be many things, but I doubt the adjective &#8216;cold&#8217; would ever be applied to you in good faith.</p>
	<p>Except, y&#8217;know, if one were talking about the weather.
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		<title>by: Zog</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509591</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:56:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I landed in NYC this morning (well, having taken a red-eye bus, I don't know whether &quot;landed&quot; is the proper verb) and grabbed a Village Voice as I strolled through the Bowery and past the Voice's building at  6 AM. I had to give Ms. Kate a wake-up call to tell her about this awesome guide, only to find out Amanda found it first and Kate had read it last night.  You find &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; the cool stuff first. Not fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I landed in NYC this morning (well, having taken a red-eye bus, I don&#8217;t know whether &#8220;landed&#8221; is the proper verb) and grabbed a Village Voice as I strolled through the Bowery and past the Voice&#8217;s building at  6 AM. I had to give Ms. Kate a wake-up call to tell her about this awesome guide, only to find out Amanda found it first and Kate had read it last night.  You find <b>all</b> the cool stuff first. Not fair.
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		<title>by: emjaybee</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509552</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:51:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I did take issue with Roy characterizing Jessica at Feministing as a blogger notable for her breast size. That is only compounding Althouse's idiocy; Jessica is perfectly average*, but more importantly, Althouse is batshit insane. And so characterizing Jessica that way still makes it sound like her body is somehow the issue. Althouse's insane fear of women in public spaces is the issue.

*and whether she is or not is SO not the issue, which is why Roy's description bothered me. Did he miss the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I did take issue with Roy characterizing Jessica at Feministing as a blogger notable for her breast size. That is only compounding Althouse&#8217;s idiocy; Jessica is perfectly average*, but more importantly, Althouse is batshit insane. And so characterizing Jessica that way still makes it sound like her body is somehow the issue. Althouse&#8217;s insane fear of women in public spaces is the issue.</p>
	<p>*and whether she is or not is SO not the issue, which is why Roy&#8217;s description bothered me. Did he miss the point?
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509541</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:03:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>James, I'd read mds.  I had a whole explanation, but that's better.  The point of the explanation was that the phrase &quot;lipstick libertarian&quot; is a beautiful way of describing McArdle's schtick.  She is a cold, cruel, thoughtless person who still manages to charm liberal dudes by wearing her femininity in a garish manner.   You could probably accuse me of doing the same thing for radical feminism, and I'd have to laugh, though I'd argue with you on whether or not the evil strategy is working. ;)  

McArdle and Althouse are gambling wrong.  I think their formulation goes like this:

1) I don't find this funny.
2) I hear feminists don't have a sense of humor.
3) Therefore I'll turn to feminism as an excuse to be humorless.  

The problem with that formulation is that #2 is simply wrong.  I mean, I've tripped across humorless feminists, but there are humorless people of all stripes, and in my experience, feminists are funnier on average than most people.  

I get mocked and parodied every other day by some wingnut, and I have some advice to those who are touchy about this: The best strategy is to evaluate the piece indifferent to the fact that it's about you.  Is it funny?  (99% of the time, wingnuts are too dumb to really be funny.)  If not, pity the person.  If it is---and I've seen a couple instances of mockery of me that was actually funny, on the theory that even morons occasionally luck out---then laugh at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>James, I&#8217;d read mds.  I had a whole explanation, but that&#8217;s better.  The point of the explanation was that the phrase &#8220;lipstick libertarian&#8221; is a beautiful way of describing McArdle&#8217;s schtick.  She is a cold, cruel, thoughtless person who still manages to charm liberal dudes by wearing her femininity in a garish manner.   You could probably accuse me of doing the same thing for radical feminism, and I&#8217;d have to laugh, though I&#8217;d argue with you on whether or not the evil strategy is working. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
	<p>McArdle and Althouse are gambling wrong.  I think their formulation goes like this:</p>
	<p>1) I don&#8217;t find this funny.<br />
2) I hear feminists don&#8217;t have a sense of humor.<br />
3) Therefore I&#8217;ll turn to feminism as an excuse to be humorless.  </p>
	<p>The problem with that formulation is that #2 is simply wrong.  I mean, I&#8217;ve tripped across humorless feminists, but there are humorless people of all stripes, and in my experience, feminists are funnier on average than most people.  </p>
	<p>I get mocked and parodied every other day by some wingnut, and I have some advice to those who are touchy about this: The best strategy is to evaluate the piece indifferent to the fact that it&#8217;s about you.  Is it funny?  (99% of the time, wingnuts are too dumb to really be funny.)  If not, pity the person.  If it is&#8212;and I&#8217;ve seen a couple instances of mockery of me that was actually funny, on the theory that even morons occasionally luck out&#8212;then laugh at it.
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		<title>by: Michael Bérubé</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509532</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:07:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I am very concerned about Roy's choice of words.  He seems to be implying that McArdle is just another mouth in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dip-FtbsD8E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lipstick vogue&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am very concerned about Roy&#8217;s choice of words.  He seems to be implying that McArdle is just another mouth in the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dip-FtbsD8E" rel="nofollow">lipstick vogue</a>.
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		<title>by: mds</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/17/roy-edroso-you-rule/#comment-509528</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:51:25 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The provenance and meaning of “lipstick libertarian” should be clear to disinterested readers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Indeed, I'm as uninteresting a reader as they come, and I... What?  Oh.

Regardless, &quot;lipstick libertarian&quot; is not a way to call Ms. McArdle a lesbian.  It is a more elegant formulation of how we use &quot;schmibertarian&quot; to label superficial libertarianism, as opposed to Jim Henley, or (on their good days) Radley Balko and Jacob Sullum.  Much of the time, there's no &quot;there&quot; there to McArdle's libertarianism; hence she, and most other self-declared libertarians on the intertubes, are lipstick libertarians, regardless of gender.

Or perhaps Mr. Edroso was secretly referring to applying cosmetics to swine.  That would have worked for me, but then I'm not a world-famous newspaper columnist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>The provenance and meaning of “lipstick libertarian” should be clear to disinterested readers.</blockquote>
Indeed, I&#8217;m as uninteresting a reader as they come, and I&#8230; What?  Oh.</p>
	<p>Regardless, &#8220;lipstick libertarian&#8221; is not a way to call Ms. McArdle a lesbian.  It is a more elegant formulation of how we use &#8220;schmibertarian&#8221; to label superficial libertarianism, as opposed to Jim Henley, or (on their good days) Radley Balko and Jacob Sullum.  Much of the time, there&#8217;s no &#8220;there&#8221; there to McArdle&#8217;s libertarianism; hence she, and most other self-declared libertarians on the intertubes, are lipstick libertarians, regardless of gender.</p>
	<p>Or perhaps Mr. Edroso was secretly referring to applying cosmetics to swine.  That would have worked for me, but then I&#8217;m not a world-famous newspaper columnist.
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