Comments on: My hands are mine, but my feet are my sister http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/ Just another WordPress weblog Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:38:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: junk science http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508426 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:45:45 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508426 Mike, you godbags are just jealous you didn't think of it first. Look at you guys saying you knew the world was round all along. Don't worry, I'll let you pretend you formulated the water-bead-soul theory with me. Mike, you godbags are just jealous you didn’t think of it first. Look at you guys saying you knew the world was round all along. Don’t worry, I’ll let you pretend you formulated the water-bead-soul theory with me.

]]> by: mnemosyne http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508339 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:46:56 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508339 <i>mnemosyne, Orthodox Jews only believe that *Jews* shouldn’t eat pork; Jewish dietary law doesn’t apply to non-Jews. Sorry to nitpick, but it’s not a good example.</i> Uh, yeah, that was kind of my point: that people from other religions (like Judaism) don't insist on forcing the entire population to conform to their religious beliefs. but somehow it's perfectly okay for a small minority of Christians to force their beliefs on the rest of us. mnemosyne, Orthodox Jews only believe that *Jews* shouldn’t eat pork; Jewish dietary law doesn’t apply to non-Jews. Sorry to nitpick, but it’s not a good example.

Uh, yeah, that was kind of my point: that people from other religions (like Judaism) don’t insist on forcing the entire population to conform to their religious beliefs. but somehow it’s perfectly okay for a small minority of Christians to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

]]> by: MikeEss http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508296 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:30:07 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508296 <i>"If I believed in souls, I would suggest that one soul splits into two and that the two souls can rejoin like beads of water. If a cell can split into two and make two cells just like itself, why couldn’t a soul do the same?"</i> Junk, may I be the first to say: HERETIC! STONE HER!!!... :) “If I believed in souls, I would suggest that one soul splits into two and that the two souls can rejoin like beads of water. If a cell can split into two and make two cells just like itself, why couldn’t a soul do the same?”

Junk, may I be the first to say: HERETIC! STONE HER!!!…

:)

]]> by: Nenya, Vala of Peanut-Butter Cookies http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508295 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:26:36 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508295 Thanks, Rob, that does explain it better. Though now re-reading that article, it says that right there. :P This is fascinating. Am alternately weirded the hell out and grinning widely. I had never thought about what the genetics behind someone having eyes of a different colour were, either. Neato! Interestingly, my mother (who is much more conservative than me on sex &amp; contraceptive issues) seemed a bit agitated and disturbed when I brought up the issue today. Huh. She seemed to leap right to the idea that if people knew about genetic abnormalities/unusualnessess while the embryo was in the womb, they would abort it (something she is strongly against), but seemed weirded out by the whole topic even before we got to discussing genetic variations than cause their bearers actual disabilities. Maybe it just bothered her to have her neat boxes of what humans look like messed with--which I admit I feel a little bit, too, though at the moment I'm choosing to go with the "oh wow, wow" reaction. Hmm. Thanks, Rob, that does explain it better. Though now re-reading that article, it says that right there. :P

This is fascinating. Am alternately weirded the hell out and grinning widely. I had never thought about what the genetics behind someone having eyes of a different colour were, either. Neato!

Interestingly, my mother (who is much more conservative than me on sex & contraceptive issues) seemed a bit agitated and disturbed when I brought up the issue today. Huh. She seemed to leap right to the idea that if people knew about genetic abnormalities/unusualnessess while the embryo was in the womb, they would abort it (something she is strongly against), but seemed weirded out by the whole topic even before we got to discussing genetic variations than cause their bearers actual disabilities. Maybe it just bothered her to have her neat boxes of what humans look like messed with–which I admit I feel a little bit, too, though at the moment I’m choosing to go with the “oh wow, wow” reaction.

Hmm.

]]> by: Ms Kate http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508286 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:44:00 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508286 That can also be mosaic - all the cells have the same DNA, but some have different expression. My younger son had one brown and one blue eye for about six months. The blue one eventually turned brown, but the time lag was highly suggestive of differential expression of eye color genes. That can also be mosaic - all the cells have the same DNA, but some have different expression.

My younger son had one brown and one blue eye for about six months. The blue one eventually turned brown, but the time lag was highly suggestive of differential expression of eye color genes.

]]> by: Nona http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508271 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 02:14:54 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508271 mnemosyne, Orthodox Jews only believe that *Jews* shouldn't eat pork; Jewish dietary law doesn't apply to non-Jews. Sorry to nitpick, but it's not a good example. mnemosyne, Orthodox Jews only believe that *Jews* shouldn’t eat pork; Jewish dietary law doesn’t apply to non-Jews. Sorry to nitpick, but it’s not a good example.

]]> by: Mel http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508255 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:38:04 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508255 This has always been a huge logical problem for me with the fertilized egg=a life. Until about 14 days, you don't know whether you'll get one egg, one fetus; two eggs, a chimera fetus; or one egg that splits to become identical twins, etc. Or a miscarriage, often with the woman never even realizing she's pregnant, or a failure to implant. So...you don't even know how many lives you have for a couple weeks. 0, 1, 2...? One of my friends is a chimera--she has one green eye and one blue. She's very proud of being a genetic rareity. (She also has variegated hair, but I don't know if that's related.) This has always been a huge logical problem for me with the fertilized egg=a life. Until about 14 days, you don’t know whether you’ll get one egg, one fetus; two eggs, a chimera fetus; or one egg that splits to become identical twins, etc. Or a miscarriage, often with the woman never even realizing she’s pregnant, or a failure to implant.

So…you don’t even know how many lives you have for a couple weeks. 0, 1, 2…?

One of my friends is a chimera–she has one green eye and one blue. She’s very proud of being a genetic rareity. (She also has variegated hair, but I don’t know if that’s related.)

]]> by: Doctor Science, Demiurge of No-Knead Bread http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508249 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:45:13 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508249 There are certainly conceptions of the soul for which your explanation would be perfect, junk_science. But it is definitely not a Christian explanation, because the Christian concept is profoundly individualistic: each soul is unique and indissoluble. So this *cannot* be what the fundamentalist Christians promoting ensoulment at conception are thinking. There are certainly conceptions of the soul for which your explanation would be perfect, junk_science. But it is definitely not a Christian explanation, because the Christian concept is profoundly individualistic: each soul is unique and indissoluble. So this *cannot* be what the fundamentalist Christians promoting ensoulment at conception are thinking.

]]> by: junk science http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508238 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:08:52 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508238 <i>Do they believe: A. a second soul appears when the embryo splits; if they later recombine, someone has died B. a second soul appears when God knows the embryo has split for good C. they only arise when the egg got two souls in the first place D. one twin has a soul, the other is EVIL</i> If I believed in souls, I would suggest that one soul splits into two and that the two souls can rejoin like beads of water. If a cell can split into two and make two cells just like itself, why couldn't a soul do the same? (Barring the fact that souls don't exist.) Do they believe:

A. a second soul appears when the embryo splits; if they later recombine, someone has died

B. a second soul appears when God knows the embryo has split for good

C. they only arise when the egg got two souls in the first place

D. one twin has a soul, the other is EVIL

If I believed in souls, I would suggest that one soul splits into two and that the two souls can rejoin like beads of water. If a cell can split into two and make two cells just like itself, why couldn’t a soul do the same? (Barring the fact that souls don’t exist.)

]]> by: tootiredoftheright http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508168 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:41:03 +0100 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/11/7036/#comment-508168 "Otherwise we’d have to demand (nearly) all politicians act against their own personal views. " Well considering how many violations of the First Amendment were put various laws around this country as time went by with most of them dating to the 1950s it's about time we do demand that politicans follow the law and not impose their own personal views on this country. We may not require a religious test but a history of the various laws and how they came about should be tested of any candiadate to public office. Far too often these supposed lawmakers who should know the law pass and then have their unconstitional laws squashed while being told numerous times that was going to be the result. Case in point laws that try to ban video game sales or make it a crime if a game or movie has violent or sexual content. “Otherwise we’d have to demand (nearly) all politicians act against their own personal views. ”

Well considering how many violations of the First Amendment were put various laws around this country as time went by with most of them dating to the 1950s it’s about time we do demand that politicans follow the law and not impose their own personal views on this country.

We may not require a religious test but a history of the various laws and how they came about should be tested of any candiadate to public office.

Far too often these supposed lawmakers who should know the law pass and then have their unconstitional laws squashed while being told numerous times that was going to be the result.

Case in point laws that try to ban video game sales or make it a crime if a game or movie has violent or sexual content.

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