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		<title>by: Sean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-507135</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:32:51 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I wish I could convince you, Amanda, but I can't even convince myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wish I could convince you, Amanda, but I can&#8217;t even convince myself.
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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-507069</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:55:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I hope you're right, epistemology, but I still have my doubts.  As Digby has stated, the corporate press isn't just against Democrats, it's against &lt;a href=&quot;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/storylines-by-digby-andrea-mitchell.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Democratic ideals&lt;/a&gt; like universal health care. They don't need to convince everyone, just that &quot;small fraction&quot;.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, epistemology, but I still have my doubts.  As Digby has stated, the corporate press isn&#8217;t just against Democrats, it&#8217;s against <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/storylines-by-digby-andrea-mitchell.html" rel="nofollow">Democratic ideals</a> like universal health care. They don&#8217;t need to convince everyone, just that &#8220;small fraction&#8221;.
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		<title>by: epistemology</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-507038</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:38:28 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-507038</guid>
					<description>Obama (or Clinton) will soundly beat McCain.

This primary has been good for the Democratic party. The numbers from Pennsylvania have just been released, and there has been a surge in new Democratic voters. Both Montgomery and Bucks counties, long Republican redoubts, now have Democratic majorities of voters. Remarkable.

This is happening in state after state. Waves of energized Democrats getting involved in the campaigns. And it is a pipe dream to think any but a small fraction will end up in the McCain camp when this is over.

Not just the Presidency will fall to the Democrats, but statehouses across the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Obama (or Clinton) will soundly beat McCain.</p>
	<p>This primary has been good for the Democratic party. The numbers from Pennsylvania have just been released, and there has been a surge in new Democratic voters. Both Montgomery and Bucks counties, long Republican redoubts, now have Democratic majorities of voters. Remarkable.</p>
	<p>This is happening in state after state. Waves of energized Democrats getting involved in the campaigns. And it is a pipe dream to think any but a small fraction will end up in the McCain camp when this is over.</p>
	<p>Not just the Presidency will fall to the Democrats, but statehouses across the nation.
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		<title>by: ginmar</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506932</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:17:39 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506932</guid>
					<description>  McCain's behavior as a POW was not typical for him; it was an exception. He was the son of privilege who expected to coast; he boasted about crashing jets, and after he was released from the Hanoi Hilton he went back to his ordinary scummy ways. He cheated on the wife who waited five years for him because she'd gained weight before marrying his current wife; he didn't defend his daughter when she was attacked by Rove; in fact, he joined forces with Rove in what will have to be his last final attempt to best his father and grandfather---both Admirals. And let's not even mention how he traded influence for campaign donations during the Keating Savings and Loan scandal. 

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton gets nailed for...telling the truth. The woman's family confirms it. So what the fuck? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>McCain&#8217;s behavior as a POW was not typical for him; it was an exception. He was the son of privilege who expected to coast; he boasted about crashing jets, and after he was released from the Hanoi Hilton he went back to his ordinary scummy ways. He cheated on the wife who waited five years for him because she&#8217;d gained weight before marrying his current wife; he didn&#8217;t defend his daughter when she was attacked by Rove; in fact, he joined forces with Rove in what will have to be his last final attempt to best his father and grandfather&#8212;both Admirals. And let&#8217;s not even mention how he traded influence for campaign donations during the Keating Savings and Loan scandal. </p>
	<p>Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton gets nailed for&#8230;telling the truth. The woman&#8217;s family confirms it. So what the fuck?
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506923</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:51:00 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506923</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I can’t quite distort my brain to the degree required to be a Republican. Maybe I need a sharp blow to the head or something for that to make sense.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You just haven't experienced the mind-altering properties of Wingnut Koolaid...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;I can’t quite distort my brain to the degree required to be a Republican. Maybe I need a sharp blow to the head or something for that to make sense.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>You just haven&#8217;t experienced the mind-altering properties of Wingnut Koolaid&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506921</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:48:26 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506921</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s kind of fascinating how the Rethugs can campaign as “crusading outsiders” who solemnly vow to “clean up” Washington - whose dire condition was caused by earlier versions of Rethug “crusading outsiders” who solemnly vowed to “clean up” Washington.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My favorite is still how the press managed to sell the son of a president and the grandson of a US senator as a Washington outsider.  Especially one who had worked for his father's presidential campaign.  But of course, Al Gore was the ultimate insider because his father was a senator.  Or something.  

I can't quite distort my brain to the degree required to be a Republican.  Maybe I need a sharp blow to the head or something for that to make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>It’s kind of fascinating how the Rethugs can campaign as “crusading outsiders” who solemnly vow to “clean up” Washington - whose dire condition was caused by earlier versions of Rethug “crusading outsiders” who solemnly vowed to “clean up” Washington.</p></blockquote>
	<p>My favorite is still how the press managed to sell the son of a president and the grandson of a US senator as a Washington outsider.  Especially one who had worked for his father&#8217;s presidential campaign.  But of course, Al Gore was the ultimate insider because his father was a senator.  Or something.  </p>
	<p>I can&#8217;t quite distort my brain to the degree required to be a Republican.  Maybe I need a sharp blow to the head or something for that to make sense.
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		<title>by: tinfoil hattie</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506918</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:35:43 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't know why you find a primary that gives more and more people a chance to vote to be &quot;drawn-out&quot; and &quot;irritating.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t know why you find a primary that gives more and more people a chance to vote to be &#8220;drawn-out&#8221; and &#8220;irritating.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506915</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:32:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Funny thing you mention &lt;i&gt;Love Story&lt;/i&gt;, Mnemosyne; Eriposte has a post on that exact same subject up on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012297.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Left Coaster.&lt;/a&gt; As she points out, FDR had a way of exaggerating things too; he probably wouldn't be elected today with this press corps and this blogosphere.

The more I read about the attacks on Hillary, the more I feel it's Republican ratfucking all over again.  Just like the &quot;Somali garb&quot; story was a Republican ratfucking &quot;twofer&quot;; by releasing the photos and blaming Hillary for them, the GOP got two for one.  They got to feed doubts about &quot;Obama The Secret Muslim&quot;, they got a chance to make Hillary look bad and they got to sow division in the Democratic party, all without getting their own hands dirty.

Will this get better if/when Obama is the nominee?  No, I'm afraid it will only get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Funny thing you mention <i>Love Story</i>, Mnemosyne; Eriposte has a post on that exact same subject up on <a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012297.php" rel="nofollow"> The Left Coaster.</a> As she points out, FDR had a way of exaggerating things too; he probably wouldn&#8217;t be elected today with this press corps and this blogosphere.</p>
	<p>The more I read about the attacks on Hillary, the more I feel it&#8217;s Republican ratfucking all over again.  Just like the &#8220;Somali garb&#8221; story was a Republican ratfucking &#8220;twofer&#8221;; by releasing the photos and blaming Hillary for them, the GOP got two for one.  They got to feed doubts about &#8220;Obama The Secret Muslim&#8221;, they got a chance to make Hillary look bad and they got to sow division in the Democratic party, all without getting their own hands dirty.</p>
	<p>Will this get better if/when Obama is the nominee?  No, I&#8217;m afraid it will only get worse.
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		<title>by: mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506893</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:46:47 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506893</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;seriously, when you’re running a campaign in which you are were paying a top strategist $2MM a month, you would think someone would have the brains to completely verify your anecdotal tales on the trail before you put your foot in your mouth…&lt;/i&gt;

How is it putting &quot;your foot in your mouth&quot; when the story is &lt;b&gt;true&lt;/b&gt;?

You may want to follow both my and Blue Jean's links before you decide this is some kind of gaffe on Hillary's part.  It's actually more like when Al Gore said that Erich Segal told him that the main character of &lt;i&gt;Love Story&lt;/i&gt; was partially based on Gore and the press decided that Gore must be lying even though Segal himself confirmed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>seriously, when you’re running a campaign in which you are were paying a top strategist $2MM a month, you would think someone would have the brains to completely verify your anecdotal tales on the trail before you put your foot in your mouth…</i></p>
	<p>How is it putting &#8220;your foot in your mouth&#8221; when the story is <b>true</b>?</p>
	<p>You may want to follow both my and Blue Jean&#8217;s links before you decide this is some kind of gaffe on Hillary&#8217;s part.  It&#8217;s actually more like when Al Gore said that Erich Segal told him that the main character of <i>Love Story</i> was partially based on Gore and the press decided that Gore must be lying even though Segal himself confirmed it.
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		<title>by: Karmakin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506891</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:35:49 +0100</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/please-convince-me-were-not-doomed/#comment-506891</guid>
					<description>Think about it a different way. Republicans are good TV. Republicans are controversy. Republicans get people tuning in. 

Keeping things as competitive and on the edge as possible is the current goal of the media establishment. It's all about the 50/50 split. If things were actually reported, do you think that split would last? The actually ideological split is actually somewhere between 65-35 and 70-30. That's actually what the elections should be each and every time out, at least until the GOP decides to change. Probably would be forced to be a whole lot less radical. Less contrarion. Less controversial. 

It's all about ratings and readership. Even looking for deeper corporate conspiracies I think is missing the forest for the trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Think about it a different way. Republicans are good TV. Republicans are controversy. Republicans get people tuning in. </p>
	<p>Keeping things as competitive and on the edge as possible is the current goal of the media establishment. It&#8217;s all about the 50/50 split. If things were actually reported, do you think that split would last? The actually ideological split is actually somewhere between 65-35 and 70-30. That&#8217;s actually what the elections should be each and every time out, at least until the GOP decides to change. Probably would be forced to be a whole lot less radical. Less contrarion. Less controversial. </p>
	<p>It&#8217;s all about ratings and readership. Even looking for deeper corporate conspiracies I think is missing the forest for the trees.
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