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	<title>Comments on: Hitchens apparently knows more about lesbians than the rest of us</title>
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		<title>by: The rest</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-508422</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:37:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually , the rest of the world thought the original remark was just kinda incomprehensible, but the outraged and indignant reation, well thats just outright funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Actually , the rest of the world thought the original remark was just kinda incomprehensible, but the outraged and indignant reation, well thats just outright funny.
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-507016</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:11:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;The only people that would defend this or downplay it, are those that secretly want to be free to use such language themselves&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Don't be such a lesbian&quot;?

How do we know if we secretly want to be as transgressive and edgy as Hitchens if we don't know what the hell Hitchens was trying to snark?

Geez, Sarah, you're *such* a transistor!  A complete and utter phone directory.  And, let's face it, Hitchens is The Wall Unit!

(There's a Monty Python sketch lurking in here, I just know it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The only people that would defend this or downplay it, are those that secretly want to be free to use such language themselves</i></p>
	<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t be such a lesbian&#8221;?</p>
	<p>How do we know if we secretly want to be as transgressive and edgy as Hitchens if we don&#8217;t know what the hell Hitchens was trying to snark?</p>
	<p>Geez, Sarah, you&#8217;re *such* a transistor!  A complete and utter phone directory.  And, let&#8217;s face it, Hitchens is The Wall Unit!</p>
	<p>(There&#8217;s a Monty Python sketch lurking in here, I just know it.)
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		<title>by: Eric, Rejector of Memes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-507015</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:11:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>The ever self-righteous SarahMC&lt;i&gt;&quot;Speaking as someone from a culture where we also use “taking the piss” so please don’t presume that you lot invented the bloody term.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Bored now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The ever self-righteous SarahMC<i>&#8220;Speaking as someone from a culture where we also use “taking the piss” so please don’t presume that you lot invented the bloody term.&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>Bored now.
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		<title>by: Doctor Science, Demiurge of No-Knead Bread</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-507009</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:37:19 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Christopher Hitchens' function in the universe is to prove that religious fundamentalism is not a necessary ingredient in misogynist fuckwaddery, even if it helps.

That is his only function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Christopher Hitchens&#8217; function in the universe is to prove that religious fundamentalism is not a necessary ingredient in misogynist fuckwaddery, even if it helps.</p>
	<p>That is his only function.
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		<title>by: adobedragon</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506988</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:44:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;HITCHENS: Oh, well, don’t be such a &lt;strike&gt;lesbian&lt;/strike&gt; republican. Get on with it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There.  Now &lt;i&gt;that's&lt;/i&gt; an insult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>HITCHENS: Oh, well, don’t be such a <strike>lesbian</strike> republican. Get on with it.</p></blockquote>
	<p>There.  Now <i>that&#8217;s</i> an insult.
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		<title>by: Grammar RWA</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506953</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:45:12 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Eh, although I loved some of Hitchens’ pre-9/11 essays, he’s always been a pro-lifer&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pro-life, but not anti-choice. That's a very important distinction, though it's rare that anyone actually qualifies for that distinction.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: Moving on to perhaps the subject that got you into hottest water with the left: abortion. Could you talk a little about your view on this?

Hitchens: Two points I wanted to make. One, that the term &quot;unborn child&quot; has been made a propaganda phrase by the people who called themselves &quot;pro-life.&quot; But it's something that has moral and scientific realities. It's become very evident indeed that this is not just a growth upon the mother.

If that's true, what are the problems? It need not qualify the woman's right to choose. It need not. But it would be a very bold person to say that what was being chosen didn't come up. What I argued in my column was this was a social phenomenon. This is the next generation we're talking about. Considering the unborn as candidate members--potential members--of the next generation; wouldn't that strengthen the argument for socialized medicine, child care, prenatal care?

There's a reason why this is the only country where it's a mania. Because it's between the fundamentalists and the possessive individualists. It's ruined politics, absorbed a huge amount of energy that should have been spent elsewhere.

Q: But you're not agreeing with the religious right on this?

Hitchens: No one who is not for the provision of sex education, contraception, and child care should be allowed to have any position on abortion at all--and those who do should be met with fusillades. Women will decide it, that's a matter of fact, as much as a principle.

Q: So, what is your position regarding the continued legal status of abortion?

Hitchens: There's no choice but choice. I mean that to sound the way it does sound. But there are choices about the conditions in which that choice is made.

I'm very much opposed to euthanasia. I've never understood why more of these people can't commit suicide. Why do they need a Doctor Kevorkian? It's very theatrical. I believe in a right to decide.

But I'm against all blurrings. There's a very sharp dividing line in the case of an infant. I'm against fooling with that. Everything in me rebels against that. The conclusion I've come to as to why it's such a toxic question in America is it isn't about the rights of the unborn child. I think it's an argument about patriarchy. It is a metaphor for the status of women in what is still in some ways a frontier society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I really can't hold his pro-life personal views against him when he's pro-choice in the public sphere.

Not that that counts for much. He's still a crazy right-wing fuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Eh, although I loved some of Hitchens’ pre-9/11 essays, he’s always been a pro-lifer</p></blockquote>
	<p>Pro-life, but not anti-choice. That&#8217;s a very important distinction, though it&#8217;s rare that anyone actually qualifies for that distinction.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Q: Moving on to perhaps the subject that got you into hottest water with the left: abortion. Could you talk a little about your view on this?</p>
	<p>Hitchens: Two points I wanted to make. One, that the term &#8220;unborn child&#8221; has been made a propaganda phrase by the people who called themselves &#8220;pro-life.&#8221; But it&#8217;s something that has moral and scientific realities. It&#8217;s become very evident indeed that this is not just a growth upon the mother.</p>
	<p>If that&#8217;s true, what are the problems? It need not qualify the woman&#8217;s right to choose. It need not. But it would be a very bold person to say that what was being chosen didn&#8217;t come up. What I argued in my column was this was a social phenomenon. This is the next generation we&#8217;re talking about. Considering the unborn as candidate members&#8211;potential members&#8211;of the next generation; wouldn&#8217;t that strengthen the argument for socialized medicine, child care, prenatal care?</p>
	<p>There&#8217;s a reason why this is the only country where it&#8217;s a mania. Because it&#8217;s between the fundamentalists and the possessive individualists. It&#8217;s ruined politics, absorbed a huge amount of energy that should have been spent elsewhere.</p>
	<p>Q: But you&#8217;re not agreeing with the religious right on this?</p>
	<p>Hitchens: No one who is not for the provision of sex education, contraception, and child care should be allowed to have any position on abortion at all&#8211;and those who do should be met with fusillades. Women will decide it, that&#8217;s a matter of fact, as much as a principle.</p>
	<p>Q: So, what is your position regarding the continued legal status of abortion?</p>
	<p>Hitchens: There&#8217;s no choice but choice. I mean that to sound the way it does sound. But there are choices about the conditions in which that choice is made.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m very much opposed to euthanasia. I&#8217;ve never understood why more of these people can&#8217;t commit suicide. Why do they need a Doctor Kevorkian? It&#8217;s very theatrical. I believe in a right to decide.</p>
	<p>But I&#8217;m against all blurrings. There&#8217;s a very sharp dividing line in the case of an infant. I&#8217;m against fooling with that. Everything in me rebels against that. The conclusion I&#8217;ve come to as to why it&#8217;s such a toxic question in America is it isn&#8217;t about the rights of the unborn child. I think it&#8217;s an argument about patriarchy. It is a metaphor for the status of women in what is still in some ways a frontier society.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I really can&#8217;t hold his pro-life personal views against him when he&#8217;s pro-choice in the public sphere.</p>
	<p>Not that that counts for much. He&#8217;s still a crazy right-wing fuck.
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506933</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:26:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Yep, douchebag.  Not wine and vinegar, vinegar and water - the contents of a douchebag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yep, douchebag.  Not wine and vinegar, vinegar and water - the contents of a douchebag.
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		<title>by: J Neo Marvin</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506931</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:08:48 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Remember when Elvis Costello called Ray Charles a n*gger?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, it nearly destroyed his career and he's been apologizing for it ever since. Your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Remember when Elvis Costello called Ray Charles a n*gger?</i></p>
	<p>Yeah, it nearly destroyed his career and he&#8217;s been apologizing for it ever since. Your point?
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		<title>by: junk science</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506908</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:15:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;We do not live in a land of cricket and tea-drinking where we all go around wearing bowler hats and calling each other lesbians for no obvious purpose.&lt;/i&gt;

The first part of this sentence took me straight to Masterpiece-Theater-land, and the second part jolted me out of it quite amusingly. Well done.

Yeah, it's too bad being an atheist doesn't necessarily make you a reasonable person. I cringe whenever I see this guy lumped with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris among the great atheist cheerleaders of our time. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>We do not live in a land of cricket and tea-drinking where we all go around wearing bowler hats and calling each other lesbians for no obvious purpose.</i></p>
	<p>The first part of this sentence took me straight to Masterpiece-Theater-land, and the second part jolted me out of it quite amusingly. Well done.</p>
	<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s too bad being an atheist doesn&#8217;t necessarily make you a reasonable person. I cringe whenever I see this guy lumped with Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris among the great atheist cheerleaders of our time.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/07/hitchens-apparently-knows-more-about-lesbians-than-the-rest-of-us/#comment-506892</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:36:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>rea, I think Ms Kate, rather than implying Hitch has a persecution-complex, was instead pointing out what a douchebag he is.  At least that's how I read it...

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>rea, I think Ms Kate, rather than implying Hitch has a persecution-complex, was instead pointing out what a douchebag he is.  At least that&#8217;s how I read it&#8230;</p>
	<p>:)
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