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		<title>by: Erika</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/04/06/medical-procedures-dont-have-to-be-enjoyable-in-order-to-be-a-social-good/#comment-506789</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:37:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, I have had some sex that was about as erotic as a pap smear.  Is that what she meant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, I have had some sex that was about as erotic as a pap smear.  Is that what she meant?
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:27:06 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>I think there is also a misconception (as it were) among fundies that abortions are only done when some wonton jezebel, without husband and very young, gets knocked up.  They don't seem to want to think about those women who have kids and husbands and still abort because they cannot personally, maritally, or financially deal with another child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think there is also a misconception (as it were) among fundies that abortions are only done when some wonton jezebel, without husband and very young, gets knocked up.  They don&#8217;t seem to want to think about those women who have kids and husbands and still abort because they cannot personally, maritally, or financially deal with another child.
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		<title>by: The One True Vegan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:04:23 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?&lt;/i&gt;

no no, they just need a female--any will do. Only Teh Fetuseses are Teh Irreplaceable Snowflakes. Unless they're girl fetuses. Natch.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?</i></p>
	<p>no no, they just need a female&#8211;any will do. Only Teh Fetuseses are Teh Irreplaceable Snowflakes. Unless they&#8217;re girl fetuses. Natch.
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		<title>by: calvinhobbes</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:48:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?&quot;

Also, if the mother and the child would BOTH die from not having an abortion done, many of them say it's cool that two people die instead of one.  And that is why we must keep Bobby Jindal away from the White House once Obama wins, and try to get him out of the governor's mansion in '11 before he can put together any regressive abortion laws in LA (as if the ones Blanco put forth weren't bad enough.)  I know Blackwell also supports that degree of an abortion ban.

It's interesting that Jindal supports emergency contraception; he says it's because he doesn't define it as abortion as some do (btw, he has the biology background to judge this,) but I'd like to think it's because he knows that his classmates at Brown and Oxford, and possibly himself/his wife/etc. would have had their lives derailed without contraception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Also, if the mother and the child would BOTH die from not having an abortion done, many of them say it&#8217;s cool that two people die instead of one.  And that is why we must keep Bobby Jindal away from the White House once Obama wins, and try to get him out of the governor&#8217;s mansion in &#8216;11 before he can put together any regressive abortion laws in LA (as if the ones Blanco put forth weren&#8217;t bad enough.)  I know Blackwell also supports that degree of an abortion ban.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s interesting that Jindal supports emergency contraception; he says it&#8217;s because he doesn&#8217;t define it as abortion as some do (btw, he has the biology background to judge this,) but I&#8217;d like to think it&#8217;s because he knows that his classmates at Brown and Oxford, and possibly himself/his wife/etc. would have had their lives derailed without contraception.
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		<title>by: the opoponax</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:43:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;A woman going out of her way to shun male doctors because they are male totally ignores that fact.&lt;/i&gt;

Many women who &quot;shun&quot; male doctors do so because they feel more comfortable with a female doctor.

A big part of whether you have a good experience in the world of Western medicine is whether you feel comfortable with your doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A woman going out of her way to shun male doctors because they are male totally ignores that fact.</i></p>
	<p>Many women who &#8220;shun&#8221; male doctors do so because they feel more comfortable with a female doctor.</p>
	<p>A big part of whether you have a good experience in the world of Western medicine is whether you feel comfortable with your doctor.
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		<title>by: MikeEss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:40:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I thought in wingnutlandia, women were just like replaceable gears in a machine.  If one &quot;wears out&quot;, you just get another...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy? Don’t those children “need a mother” too?&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>I thought in wingnutlandia, women were just like replaceable gears in a machine.  If one &#8220;wears out&#8221;, you just get another&#8230;
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 09:25:46 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>My sons attended daycare with twin girls who lost their mother to malignant melanoma when they were 6 months old.

I can't imagine how much harder it would have been for their father to face his single-parent situation had his late wife not had the choice to abort them at 4 months. (She gave birth 6 weeks early so she could start treatment - too late though).  

These girls would never have to wear the mantle of &quot;mother killers&quot; that they might consciously or unconsciously have to if abortion were illegal.  Their mother made the (possibly fatal) decision to bear them with a full plate of choices, rather than under duress.  Their existance can never be blamed for their mother's demise.

In this particular case, there were no older siblings to look after.  Since the fundies never worry about the &quot;already born&quot; children, I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy?  Don't those children &quot;need a mother&quot; too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My sons attended daycare with twin girls who lost their mother to malignant melanoma when they were 6 months old.</p>
	<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how much harder it would have been for their father to face his single-parent situation had his late wife not had the choice to abort them at 4 months. (She gave birth 6 weeks early so she could start treatment - too late though).  </p>
	<p>These girls would never have to wear the mantle of &#8220;mother killers&#8221; that they might consciously or unconsciously have to if abortion were illegal.  Their mother made the (possibly fatal) decision to bear them with a full plate of choices, rather than under duress.  Their existance can never be blamed for their mother&#8217;s demise.</p>
	<p>In this particular case, there were no older siblings to look after.  Since the fundies never worry about the &#8220;already born&#8221; children, I wonder if they ever consider the damage to families when a mother dies because of a completed pregnancy?  Don&#8217;t those children &#8220;need a mother&#8221; too?
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		<title>by: PinkyLeftBrain</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:34:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This article:

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/breast-cancer/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100199754&amp;amp;GT1=31024

feeds nicely into this discussion, I think.

Is a male doctor worse for a woman or are male doctors getting a bad rap for being, male.

The point this totally misses is that there are bad doctors that are both male and female. A woman going out of her way to shun male doctors because they are male totally ignores that fact.

Would I have a hard time going to a female urologist? I'm sure that will be a question thrown into this. Well, if she looked like Cathy Ireland, oddly, yes but in the end if she could diagnose my problem and help me then I'd be just as grateful. Women are interested in the male equipment just as much as a male would have an interest in the female equipment. (Trying to deflate the 'he doesn't care because he's a he and has no interest or compassion argument)

And sorry for the multiple posts. Very sorry...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This article:</p>
	<p><a href='http://health.msn.com/health-topics/breast-cancer/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100199754&amp;GT1=31024' rel='nofollow'>http://health.msn.com/health-topics/breast-cancer/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100199754&amp;GT1=31024</a></p>
	<p>feeds nicely into this discussion, I think.</p>
	<p>Is a male doctor worse for a woman or are male doctors getting a bad rap for being, male.</p>
	<p>The point this totally misses is that there are bad doctors that are both male and female. A woman going out of her way to shun male doctors because they are male totally ignores that fact.</p>
	<p>Would I have a hard time going to a female urologist? I&#8217;m sure that will be a question thrown into this. Well, if she looked like Cathy Ireland, oddly, yes but in the end if she could diagnose my problem and help me then I&#8217;d be just as grateful. Women are interested in the male equipment just as much as a male would have an interest in the female equipment. (Trying to deflate the &#8216;he doesn&#8217;t care because he&#8217;s a he and has no interest or compassion argument)</p>
	<p>And sorry for the multiple posts. Very sorry&#8230;
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		<title>by: Jesurgislac</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 03:38:59 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Auguste, I can't tell you how you &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; feel about being adopted - how could anyone presume to say that?

But I know several women who gave up their babies for adoption. All of them did it because they could not economically/emotionally cope, and because this was at a time - we're talking 40 or more years ago - where the pressure was strongly on low-income women in the UK who could not cope and turned to social services, to hand over their child/ren to be adopted, rather than receive help taking care of them.

Some women may put the child out of their minds, knowing the odds were against their ever meeting again. But none of the women I knew personally did that. They remembered and hoped and wanted a contact again with their children. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Auguste, I can&#8217;t tell you how you <i>should</i> feel about being adopted - how could anyone presume to say that?</p>
	<p>But I know several women who gave up their babies for adoption. All of them did it because they could not economically/emotionally cope, and because this was at a time - we&#8217;re talking 40 or more years ago - where the pressure was strongly on low-income women in the UK who could not cope and turned to social services, to hand over their child/ren to be adopted, rather than receive help taking care of them.</p>
	<p>Some women may put the child out of their minds, knowing the odds were against their ever meeting again. But none of the women I knew personally did that. They remembered and hoped and wanted a contact again with their children.
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		<title>by: mythago</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:44:34 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How should I, as an adopted child, feel about the person who owns the womb in which I was gestated?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You assume she's a person, which is a few light-years ahead of that billboard. Apparently anti-choicers think that the woman is merely sort of a holding tank for God's handiwork. (I guess it's easier to think of it that way, so one needn't be reminded that icky, icky sex was involved.)</description>
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	<p>You assume she&#8217;s a person, which is a few light-years ahead of that billboard. Apparently anti-choicers think that the woman is merely sort of a holding tank for God&#8217;s handiwork. (I guess it&#8217;s easier to think of it that way, so one needn&#8217;t be reminded that icky, icky sex was involved.)
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