The fetus is exactly the point, and the mother’s “rights” are irrelevant. My main priority is to prevent that baby from being dismembered. My secondary priority is the mother’s political rights, the mother’s health, the mother’s life… All of this is a political position — a matter of opinion. It’s not that I am a lower life form than you “pro-choicers;” I just disagree with you and operate from fundamentally different premises and moral priorities.

As it happens, John, these premises (and trying to force others to live their lives based upon your allegedly non-emotional ‘political opinion’) DO make you a lower life form. Nice try, though.

Never accept people like nope at their own valuation.

*It was unanswerable insofar as it had to do with women’s feelings about whether they were being exposed to “consequences” or to “punishment” by being legally required to carry a pregnancy which had passed the 1st trimester to term. Feelings are not quantifiable. Not to mention that the whole discussion involved a definition of terms and that the participants in the discussion never reached any agreement about what the definition of those terms should be.

“nope” sensed the potential for a rat’s nest and, and as a rat, was naturally driven to make the most of that potential. That’s all.

Because I had caught them doing lines of coke and threatened to call cops the night before. Couldn’t prove anything… so I just LEFT.

MikeEss, it was “I want you to show me the way”.

If you find that you are being worsted, you can make a diversion—that is, you can suddenly begin to talk of something else, as though it had a bearing on the matter in dispute, and afforded an argument against your opponent. This may be done without presumption if the diversion has, in fact, some general bearing on the matter; but it is a piece of impudence if it has nothing to do with the case, and is only brought in by way of attacking your opponent.

I see pictures of people who’ve done crap like that to passed out people. That almost makes me want to add it to my list of “dealbreaker” questions, because the more I see of it, the more I think “Wow, I would never want to get drunk with people who might do that to me”. It just seems so unnecessary and cruel. I would rather someone be passed out than starting fights. Of course, it does make me wonder if it’s part of the douchebag culture, of which there are many, many more indicators than attacking passed out people with cling wrap and Sharpies, such as getting mad that EEEEEEEVIL women can not only chose not to have an abortion, but also get child support without becoming a man’s property.

I am a woman who can’t use hormonal birth control for medical reasons, and I’ve had a condom break on me when I was a teenager. Regardless of my political opinion, I would never be able to go through an abortion (I freak out just getting a finger prick for a blood test at the doctor), and I am aware of the very negative consequences getting pregnant would have for me.

Therefore, in my sexual relationships I stick to oral/anal (with a condom)/manual sex. It isn’t the ideal solution (athough I still have a lot of fun), but the cost/benefit analysis says that this is the best one for now.

Have you considered an IUD?

My wife was in the same situation. She couldn’t take hormonal birth control and wouldn’t have an abortion.

She got a Paragard IUD. It’s safe, hormone-free, and about 99.4% effective at preventing pregnancy.

The upfront cost can be pretty high. (About $550 for her) However, since it lasts for up to 10 years, it is one of the cheapest forms of birth control over the long run.

“Doooo, youuuu!
Feeeeeeel like I doooo!”

Frampton Comes Alive!

I was in high school when that was all the rage…

NEVER EVER WORK 11-7 AND START CHUGGING JACK DANIELS AT 8AM on exhausted, empty tummy…

Found out all I ever needed to know about consequences and punishment!

To me, the most bewildering aspect of nope’s reasoning is that making it illegal to abort past the term of viability would inevitably require MORE, not fewer, men to pony up for 18 years of child support.

Since that appears to be his primary grievance against the system, I cannot for the life of me understand why he is arguing in favor of it. I don’t get that either. It would seem to indicate that nope wants to punish women. Force them to have babies with no support - that’s not punishment at all!

nope came in here with “gotcha! neener neener!” scrawled all over him.