that argument is the one used against late trimester abortion. that an embryo is mature enough to live in most cases of premature birth.

I really don’t understand how architects let their profession get so fucked up that most of them think it is a good idea to design buildings so that they are disorienting to the people who are supposed to use them. Do they just hate their fellow human beings and want them to suffer, instead of be comfortable?… …Either way, the design of that building in the picture is fucking disgraceful.

It may just be a myth, but my understanding was that the building was designed to force a group of people that are traditionally sort of isolationist to interact with each other. The outside of the building is far more chaotic looking than the inside, and, honestly, the inside is thought provoking but comfortable, I thought. It’s a visually interesting space and I can see how the slightly curving hallways and such make one more likely to run into and interact with other people. Maybe the story I hear wasn’t true, but, either way, I really love the strata center. *shrug*

Ms Kate March 30, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Oh, the status of “zygote-embryo” is PARASITE.
It cannot do much if anything without its host. Therefore, the host makes the call. That simple? Yes.”

Yeah but baby is pretty helpless too, so that argument will go nowhere quickly.

Not quite. A baby no longer has a host, which means that just about any reasonable person could, potentially, care for it. I can go down to a hospital tomorrow and feed babies and make sure that they’re clean and cared for. I can’t do the same for my co-worker’s fetus. That’s a rather significant difference.

she is an idiot. I think it’s all about money and exposure in her case. Take out the funding and spotlight, she’ll go away.

Yeah but baby is pretty helpless too, so that argument will go nowhere quickly. (I lost an argument using that line of thought once.) But mark my word, the next big fight will actually be ‘legal definition” of zygote-embryo, from there status, right and relationship of both pregnant mother and ‘zygote-embryo’ are codified.

in itself won’t be a bad idea, in fact I think this fight is necessary. This is fairly fundamental in term of how we see ourselves, woman’s right, …. etc.

Shorter Stanek: I can Just Say No to sex, so all you poor black women in polygamous relationships with no health care and second-class citizenship can too!!!! Yay! The HIV epidemic is solved!!

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/03/faithful_condom.html#comments

Check out the thread. I post as “Fetus Fascist” (yeah, I’m funny) It’s old and dead but very revealing. AFTER she admits swapping out the picture (a picture I found of a real saline abortion) she went on to call me “pig dog slime,” and accuse me of “Satanic retching.”
She’s a lovely Christian woman.
Here’s the thread: http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/03/new_abortion_ba.html

(By the way, that was just the first time she threw me off of her site. The last time was yesterday. She was ranting on and on about Obama’s pastor’s racist remarks, so I posted John McCain’s famous “I hate the gooks” comments from 2000. She threw me off again…)

Which is actually even scarier than the usual Krazee she spews, because it leads to holding women accountable for the outcome of their pregnancies. A police officer for every womb.

I also think we need to address the pro-safe sex gap. Although there are clearly exceptions, many people in our generation have understood the don’t-have-sex-without-a-condom message. It’s easy to be brought up in a sex-positive household with responsible views on STI-prevention and contraception and then see women who do get pregnant from consensual unprotected sex as irresponsible and not worthy of “the abortion bailout”. This needs to be addressed too.

The majority of abortions are performed during the embryonic stage of development. No cute aliens involved - blob and a yold sac. Somehow, that doesn’t thrill those who seek to guilt women out of them, so they trot out these near-viable, fully formed intact spontaneous abortions (miscarriages - God’s abortions).

The vast majority of late abortions - a very small fraction of the total abortions - occur because something went badly wrong. Most of those are considered tragically lost children by their parents and happened because the child died in utero, was deformed beyond compatibility with life, or threatened the mother’s life. The idiot brigade wants you to think otherwise because it is so much easier to hate women that way.