This is not helpful. A fan of winger Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds, Instapunk, used Barack Obama’s invitation to discuss race to unload this bile:
However much they may scream and protest, black people will know what I mean when I demand they concede that the following people are niggers:Sigh. A Fifth Column. Does this mean I’m missing my copy of the Uppity Negro Manifesto? Once I get my copy, do I cross reference it with my copy of The Homosexual Agenda?- Jeremiah Wright
- O.J. Simpson
- Marion Barry
- Alan Iverson
- William Jefferson
- Louis Farrakhan
- Mike Tyson . . .You see, you’ve just given life to the suspicion that black people in America are, and have long been, a fifth column — unanimously hating the very country that has afforded the highest standard of living ever achieved by black people in human history. We’re teetering at the edge of believing that you’re a secret society, a massive collection of sleeper cells just waiting for your chance to do serious harm to the rest of us. You’ve made it possible for us to believe that. Because you’re never outraged by what the worst black people do. Because you continue to make excuses for what should be inexcusable to everyone.
By the way, he doesn’t bother listing what the above black men have in common to push them over into the nigger category. For instance, William “Deep Freeze” Jefferson — he’s just a run-of-the-mill crooked elected official. I don’t see what his race had to do with that behavior. Mike Tyson, a barely literate ex-boxer and convicted rapist (is that a status determined by race)? And forgive me, but O.J. Simpson? Please — if anything that man had no cred in the black community until he tossed out the race card to save his ass from prison. And so on. In the mind of Instapunk, it gives him license to emit a screed damning all blacks as some sort potential roving mob out to get whitey.
Glenn Greenwald had this to say:
This is just a slightly more explicit version of what one hears on so much right-wing talk radio, beginning with conservative hero Rush Limbaugh. Why is there so much hatred and extremism in black churches? Let’s talk more and more about all the racism and radicalism among isolated black people and ignore the endless bile that has long spewed forth from the far more powerful appendages of the right-wing noise-machine, exemplified by Instapunk’s Easter meditation on race.***While the dominant political faction in the United States built itself and continues to feed and nourish itself with this sort of endless exploitation of racial resentments and grievances — and while it openly embraces far more powerful religious fanatics who espouse ideas at least as radical and repugnant as anything Jeremiah Wright has ever said — let’s spend the next eight months talking about the controversial comments of a single, comparatively powerless black preacher and have our presidential election decided by that.
Speaking of running for cover, how come Sean Hannity doesn’t want to talk about his ties to right-wing extremist, racist and homophobe Hal Turner? Max Blumenthal in The Nation shows that this sort of outsourcing to keep your hands clean is a specialty of the right:
Turner was once a prominent activist in New Jersey’s Republican Party. To area conservatives, he was best known by his moniker for call-ins to the Sean Hannity Show, “Hal from North Bergen.” For years, Hannity offered his top-rated radio show as a regular forum for Turner’s occasionally racist, always over-the-top rants. Hannity also chatted with him off-air, allegedly offering encouragement to Turner as he struggled to overcome a cocaine habit and homosexual leanings. Turner has boasted that Hannity once invited Turner and his son on to the set of Fox News’s Hannity and Colmes. Today, Turner lurks on the fringes of the far right, spouting hate-laced tirades on his webcast radio show. Hannity, meanwhile, remains mum about his former alliance with the neo-Nazi, homing in instead on the supposed racism of black and Latino Democrats.…During an August 1998 episode of the show, Turner reminded Hannity that were it not for the graciousness of the white man, “black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa,” according to Daryle Jenkins, co-founder of the New Jersey-based antiracism group One People’s Project. Instead of rebuking Turner or cutting him off, Hannity continued to welcome his calls. On December 10 of the following year, Turner called Hannity’s show to announce his campaign to run for a seat in the US House of Representatives from New Jersey, and to attack his presumptive opponent, Democratic Representative Robert Menendez, as a “left-wing nut.”
…Hannity is silent about the racist affiliations of favored guests like Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, Mississippi Republican Governor Haley Barbour and former Republican Congressman Bob Barr, all of whom have spoken before gatherings of America’s largest white supremacist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens.
Hannity remains silent, too, about his relationship with his former friend, the neo-Nazi Hal Turner.
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Looking over the supposed list of “niggers”, I struck by the fact that with the exception of Farrakhan, all I see are a lot of self-serving dipshits who got caught. (I loathe my one-time semi-neighbor, but he hasn’t ever been found guilty of anything. He’s just loathesome.) Does this mean that every self-serving white dipshit who gets caught is a “honkey” or “cracker”?
And I can hardly even work up outrage any more by the completely free pass complete nut jobs on the right get, while the dullest people on the left are relentlessly hammered for unimpressive statements. I just leads me to extremist fantasies.
Wow. I cannot form the words this early in the morning (for me). It really has nothing to do with what those men did, he wants to use nigger and right now that’s the “safest” means for him to do it.
I guess black women aren’t niggers. Phew.
Sorry if this double posts:
Along these same lines of focusing on the splinter in someonw else’s eye while ignoring the plank in their own, not 10 minutes ago on the Rush Limbaugh show Rush went into a mini tirade on how sexist and racist and hate filled the Democratic party is. Luckily I had just parked my car or else I probably would have rear ended someone trying to figure out how even he could make such a ridiculous statement.
As opposed to, say, swinging from trees in the Deep South?Crazy people are crazy!
Ali, during the Clinton blowjob scandal, Rush once piously proclaimed that the Repugs were all about protecting women. Uh huh. Sure.
“…black people would still be swinging on trees in Africa”
Wow. Just when you think we’ve made progress as a society, somebody always has to pop up and remind everybody we haven’t really come very far at all…
Swinging ON trees, swinging FROM trees, it’s pretty clear what this turd has in mind. Strange fruit indeed.
Rush is just a complete whackadoo nutter. What’s scary is the size of his audience…
Rush is just a complete whackadoo nutter. What’s scary is the size of his audience… excellence in bullshit.
Oh, but they are all about protecting women, Ginmar. They’re all about protecting them from the dangers of work and independent thought and bodily autonomy and personal empowerment.
Didn’t you know?
(sorry for doublepost; distracted while watching MSNBC)
BTW, when did Obama’s name get crossed off and Jeremiah Wright’s become a write-in? Now they’re going on and on about his “controversial writings”… WHO’S THE FRIGGING CANDIDATE HERE???
It’s funny. Hillary is making so many wonderful mistakes with attempting to gather up the super delegates like so many Easter eggs, the sniper fire debacle and now “a 3am economical crisis” (hello? Banks and markets are CLOSED at 3am…), while Barack Obama is making very cogent speeches.
The only thing Rush has ever protected is his own ass, and that’s only because he kept it out of Viet Nam.
No, I’m not bitter. God, do I loathe this fucker.
No. They’re not, because the word in question does not mean “asshole, subhuman, inferior, et cetera,” it mean’s “asshole, subhuman, inferior, et cetera BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR.”
That’s the difference between slurs and any other insult: they conflate a deep insult with the race, gender, religion, what-have-you in question, and in so doing, insult the entire group of people.
The list of people mentioned above may well be bad people (I only recognize two of them, so I can’t be sure); but that is because of their personalities, their ethics, their actions. The word Instapunk used blames their bad qualities on their skin color, says they’re bad because they’re black. It means “black/of African descent, which is a bad thing.” Which makes it (aside from hateful) blatantly incorrect to use to describe just black people he thinks are loathesome because aside from “loathesome” it also describes OJ and the rest of them as “like the rest of black people.”
In other words, Instapunk, that little detail about judging people “not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character?” Ur doin’ it wrong.
For about half of this I’d been hoping that it was a satire on certain people’s attitude to Muslims:
You’re never outraged by what the worst black people do. Because you continue to make excuses for what should be inexcusable to everyone. = Why don’t you condemn suicide bombings!?!? You did? Well… you clearly weren’t loud enough. I didn’t hear you, so it doesn’t count.
Then I gave up hoping that it might be satire.
Sigh….
Ginmar:
Strange fruit indeed.
Hear, hear.
I love that there’s a 10-day window in which any time a black person talks about angry or intolerant black people, white people are allowed to use the N-word. I love that we’ve decided this is the rule. And i also love that black people are going to concede, like it’s the racial draft. Can we trade Bill Clinton and those guys back and have Angelina Jolie, instead?
I think they didn’t read the part of the manifesto where they are invited to “discuss race” as a means of volunteering to be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
The Limbaugh audience, if you haven’t guessed, is the lower orders. Uneducable, low-skilled, deficient. RL gives them the fantasy that they are more. Kind of Battledork Guernsey, it allows you to forget the suck for a time. Which, for them, is needed. Every day is a reminder of just how low on the pole they really are. Far better to imagine that one is Starbucks, coffee pilot to the block, or Captain Capitalism instead of cubicle rat /Amway salesputz.
Tyson was convicted for being black. Even the prosecutor held their nose for this one.
My favorite historical note is that if any of the slave uprisings had succeeded, the US below the Mason-Dixon Line would be entirely black. Makes you realize why SouthWhiteLand is scared.
I just finished reading the linked piece on salon.com, and Greenwald makes an interesting observation…
It’s domething that goes on almost without notice, even in the supposedly “liberal” mainstream media…
Why does Tim Russert feel compelled to get Barack Obama and Colin Powell (two men, diametrically opposed politically, who only share one thing in common - their race) to denounce the sentiments of Harry Belfonte (who happens to share their race), despite the fact that NEITHER of these two politically powerful black men have any known connections whatsoever to Belafonte?
Are Hillary Clinton and John McCain expected to speak out everytime Sean Penn makes a statement which sparks controversy, because all three people happen to be white?
God I hate this country sometimes…
You’re problem, Instapunk, is that you’re never outraged by what the worst white people do. Because you continue to make excuses for what should be inexcusable to everyone.
If you demand all blacks have to answer for what slimy black people do, then you must similarly be required to answer for all the atrocities of white folks, yes? You can begin now. This’ll take a while, yes, but I’ve got time. Ok, you can start any time, I’m listening…
…*chirp*chirp*chirp*…
Repugs/Taliban. Same crazy, different nation.
There’s nothing shocking about this. For people like “old punk”, any trangression committed by a black person is more serious than the same offense commtted by a white, and all blacks are responsible for crimes comitted by indivdual blacks. here’s a couple of examples…
In response to a message board post titled “Negative DNA tests weaken assault case against black and Hispanic teens”:
“Does nothing to exonerate your entire race…”
Another post titled “Russell Simmons Gets Dumped” (supposedly because she was so disgusted by the comedy show her husband produces):
…and white comedians never “work blue”, right?
“Right, never. Not like Russell Simmons’ show anyway. Want to hear about bowel movements, ejaculations swinging di cks, watch his show. If you were smart you’d speak out against it, but as expected, you close ranks and defend”.
Evil is as evil does, IMHO. I’m frankly more pissed at the Democrats for not beating Hannity, O’Felafel, and Limbaugh over the head with the words they choose to broadcast (either directly or by proxy) than I am with right wing thugnuts acting according to their nature.
Aw man Mold, now I feel like I have to justify my listening to Rush…
You see I’m one of a rare breed of people with ridiculously LOW blood pressure. I figure an occasional dose of Rush is enough to get it up to normal levels.
That and mocking stupid people helps get me through the day.
Far as I am concerned, many Blacks in the US ought to be thankful that no matter how their ancestors got here they are better off in the US than in some shiitehole in Africa,
This is kinda like telling a rape victim that she should be glad that she wasn’t forcibly sodomized too…
Mold said: My favorite historical note is that if any of the slave uprisings had succeeded, the US below the Mason-Dixon Line would be entirely black.
How you figure that? Enslaved blacks were what, a third of the population? With no guns, military training or logistical support. It would have to be one _hell_ of a successful uprising, to even avoid being slaughtered outright.
i could have sworn I voted for obama…
hmmm…apparently he’s not running and this wright fellow is.
what, exactly, did wright say that was wrong, anyway?
or was it just that he shouted naughty words while black?
BTW, when did Obama’s name get crossed off and Jeremiah Wright’s become a write-in? Now they’re going on and on about his “controversial writings”… WHO’S THE FRIGGING CANDIDATE HERE???
You missed the latest twist and turn. It’s all about James Hal Cone now, author of the 1969 Black Liberation Theology.
Right-wingers really do think blacks should be grateful for slavery: free boat travel to the U.S., hours of healthful, aerobic exercise in the fresh air, no rent to pay, high fiber, low fat diet, etc. etc.
Far as I am concerned, many Blacks in the US ought to be thankful that no matter how their ancestors got here they are better off in the US than in some shiitehole in Africa,
I wonder what makes him so sure of that. Considering that slave trade is one of the reasons Africa is “a shithole” these days. If you forcibly kidnap a few million people from continent things are going be thrown out of whack.
calliopejane,
If you demand all blacks have to answer for what slimy black people do, then you must similarly be required to answer for all the atrocities of white folks, yes? You can begin now. This’ll take a while, yes, but I’ve got time. Ok, you can start any time, I’m listening…
…*chirp*chirp*chirp*…
I’ll offer Instapunk a deal. I’ll answer for Condelleza Rice if he answers for the REST OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
What gets me is the arrogance of these yay-hoos. One racist doodyhead barks and the entire population of Black America is supposed to jump to and agree with this instapunk noodle who is a - and it just boggles my mind he apparently thinks he can just proclaim this with full authority and not be called a racist shitstain - “nigger” and who ain’t. Otherwise, they’re Freemasons or something.
It’s galling that he even thinks he should be allowed to weigh in on such a selection process if one were to exist and assuming all Black People report to some central committee like a lot of guys I’ve been reading the last week or so seem to’ve decided. So speaketh instapunk guy and black people nationwide shrug and say “Well, he is White and they know best.”
Dude. Shut up. Seriously. You’re embarassing the entire world and keeping the aliens away.
Far as I am concerned, many Blacks in the US ought to be thankful that no matter how their ancestors got here they are better off in the US than in some shiitehole in Africa…
… because us caspers really fucked that place up what with the colonialism and shit.
It would be so nice if the only audience for Rush were “unskilled “lower orders” - so flattering to liberal self-esteem, so unthreatening to our worldview.
Alas, the first place I heard Rush was…a local small business successful for many years until the owner retired, iirc, The next place was another local business, whose college-educated owners did make some bad decisions during the tech boom, but survived them in typical Republican way - give no raises, lay off half the staff (ie most of those who weren’t family members) and they recovered and are still going as strong as ever. They also spent a lot of time at Barnes & Noble, too. The third place, a mid-size franchise store, was run into the ground by the college-educated owners, but they sailed away on their silver parachutes and started another. All of them lived high enough on the hog to take their whole families to Aruba, buy nice houses and new cars and motorcycles, go to the doctor and dentist whenever they needed, and so on.
They rather perfectly illustrate the GOP in small, in fact - clueless about fiscal prudence in some ways, canny in others, able to come out on top thanks to their connections and the leverage of money, and utterly without empathy or integrity. But successful, in worldly terms…
Bellatrys,
Frat boys, anyone? Rush and Bush seem to be cut from that cloth. Anyone can make a profit, just don’t pay bills, taxes, child support, etc.
The audience listed in the trades I’ve read indicate the prime Limbaugh audience is pretty much the D student. They seem to listen to have ni**ers that they can feel superior to now that AfAms refuse to be subservient in their own country.
College may only indicate the cash or the loans needed to go. Bush/Cheney are not PZ Meyers. All went.
There’s a lovely historical ignorance in the likes of Instapunk. Roll back the clock 800 years and western Europe was a festering shithole, with the sole exception of Muslim Spain, which had libraries, effective medicine, indoor plumbing, and a pluralistic society in which Christians, Muslims, and Jews all enjoyed basic civil rights. North Africa and East Africa had flourishing urban societies, and West Africa and Southern Africa had Agrarian societies easily equal to those of Europe.
togolosh, for awhile I was fascinated with the life of Catherine of Aragon (first wife of Henry VIII/ widow of his brother Arthur and mother of Mary, Queen of Scots); one well researched fictitious book detailed her early life in Spain, as well as her dismay when she first came to England and saw the rough and primitive conditions. There was quite a bit of the court of her parents, Ferdinand and Isabella- absolutely fascinating stuff!!
if I’m remembering correctly, approx 11 million to the Atlantic slave trade, approx 8 million to the Indian Ocean slave trade, and another 8 million or so to the internal African slave trade.
Mold, could you do any research at all before you fantasize about a rape trial? The prosecutor in the Tyson rape trial wrote an actual, you know, book about the case in which he sympathized firmly with the victim and made it quite clear that he understood at least some of the dynamics of rape. One of the most devastating witnesses against Tyson was his own driver—a black woman who also worked as a rape counselor, who saw Desiree Washington immediately after the rape. Then, too, there was the glaring size difference—-Tyson weighed one hundred and fifty pounds more than Washington.
Then again, it’s so touching to see men of all colors bashing a victim. Sniff. Those lying whores—isn’t that the one thing all men can agree on? Doesn’t it just make you all warm and happy? Talk about brotherhood.
Louise, what was the name of that book?
http://books.google.com/books?id=GWx4cmPEABcC&dq=Philippa+Gregory&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=philippa.gregory+&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=3&cad=author-navigational
Here’s the page with reviews, ginmar. It is romanticized fiction, but she really created a fascinating account. In fact, it was so good that i’ve read a few more by the same author and I’m not a fan of romance novels.
Found it by accident, waiting for a flight. I had read alot from high school on regarding Elizabeth I and later Henry VIII, but after this book, I started reading more about his wives…
Phooey; seems my link to the review of the book has been in moderation for awhile, ginmar, or I may have screwed it up.
“The Constant Princess” by Philippa Gregory. I was in an airport waiting for a connection and thought it would be a typical romance novel (which I normally don’t care for), but after reading the author’s notes in the back and list of references, decided “oh what the heck” and bought it. Was an easy read and very interesting; I actually read another of hers afterwards. Years ago I had read alot in high school/college about Elizabeth I, but hadn’t read that much on any of Henry VIII’s wives…
http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/constant_princess/
Here’s another link…
Ginmar,
I defer to your memories
Look it up yourself, Mold. The book’s available. J. Gregory Garrison, Heavy Justice. He was the prosecutor in the case.
Thanks, Louise. As it happens, I’m a bit of a geek about that time period and those personalities myself.
ginmar, if they sound interesting, write to me directly and I’ll mail the books to you. I was going to donate them to my local library but would just as soon pass along to a pal!
andiparkinson@gmail.com
I’ll do that. That’s awfully kind of you! You’ve made my geeky heart flutter with excitement: period details! Research! Oh, boy!
Hmmm… I seem to recall a good book on the Aragon/Castile period, which included bits on Catherine of Aragon. I’ll see if I can track down the title.
You ever read Sharan Kay Penman? I love her historical fiction. Her research is amazing.
If we’re going to start geeking out about the Tudors, may I recommend Alison Weir’s books? I don’t think she wrote one specifically about Katherine of Aragon, but she has written many books about the period (I’m about 1/3 of the way through her account of the Wars of the Roses).
I just discovered that she’s started writing fiction as well — she wrote a novel about Lady Jane Grey, the nine days queen. Haven’t started it yet, but I’m very curious. Weir always seemed very sympathetic to Lady Jane, so I’m hoping it will be good.
I really didn’t like her book about the Princes in the Tower. Her research and conclusions were sloppy in that one. Normally she does good work, but Richard III brings out the passion in the geeks.
Read Penman, seriously. She lets historical reality be her guide and her writing’s nicely understated.
Assuming you’re willing to branch out into fantasy loosely based on history, specifically the Crusades era, try this. Once you twig to the anaolgues, it’s enormously entertaining.
The editors have an apt response on this