What I think is cruel is Smid’s public disrespect and debasement of his wife by reducing her to body parts. He is sadly working out his issues in this YouTube video for all to see. He has heaped this ridicule upon himself.

Love in Action has hurt so many people, particularly young people thrown into ex-gay camps by parents trying to get the gay out of their kid by submitting to what I consider psychological torture.

Smid, based on his public statements, is the last person on earth one would want handling their child’s mental health if they are coming to terms with their homosexuality.

As for my snarky comment on snarky internet comments, well, that was probably a bit too snarky on my part.

As for this: it seems obvious that Peterson Toscano has done more to hurt the ex-gay movement than any snarky comments on the internet ever could, well, that’s debatable isn’t it. After all, snark has its place, and in some cases I’d venture to say our ability to snark here has emboldened many of us to take actions in the meat world knowing there are people here who think like us and who will support us.

I am not ex-gay and never will be - I’m proud of who I am and so are my family and they would never in a million years think there is something “wrong” with me that needs to be “fixed.”

If we want to poke fun at the absurdity of people who call themselves “educators” who cannot bother to actually, you know, educate themselves on a topic we certainly can and will do so.

They deserve all the snark and derision thrown at them - no matter how nice Peterson thinks such people are - particularly when their “educating” is actively and demonstrably wrong and dangerous to LGBTQ people like me, like Pam, like Peter, like Sarah in Chicago, oh the list goes on.

They’re not “eductors” rather they’re propagandists.

And seriously, for a man to objectify his wife the way Smid did is some fucked up shit no doubt. He lost my respect from the get-go for that.

“Peterson certainly could have introduced himself better, don’tcha think?”

Yes, he certainly could have.

‘Cuz I sure haven’t heard of him in the three+ years I’ve been reading Pam’s House Blend and Pandagon and 365Gay.com. Among others.

I’d venture to say, your assertions notwithstanding, he’s no Wayne Besen…

I took a second to check out Peterson’s website, and he’s apparently made a career out of exposing these sorts of organizations and trying to get people out of them. He probably knows what he’s talking about, even if he’s a little too sympathetic for some people’s tastes.

Not saying John Smid jokes aren’t hilarious and perfectly justified, but to be fair it seems obvious that Peterson Toscano has done more to hurt the ex-gay movement than any snarky comments on the internet ever could.

Exactly.

“Chadwick” talks about the “Ex-Gay” movement as if it’s legit - and then tells us he’s gay. There seems to be a glaring disconnect there…

“Pussy Power” sounds like the name of a band…

And why does Amanda get all the sycophants? Pam started this thread - no sycophants for her?…