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	<title>Comments on: McCain&#8217;s not straight-talking about his criminal nose-thumbing at the FEC</title>
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		<title>by: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503715</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Longhairedweirdo: OK, I hear you, but it just seems like there are so many better things to hang McCain over, like the Keating thing and how we might be in Iraq for 100 years. I don't know how much beer this FEC stuff will spill with Mr. and Ms. Swing Voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Longhairedweirdo: OK, I hear you, but it just seems like there are so many better things to hang McCain over, like the Keating thing and how we might be in Iraq for 100 years. I don&#8217;t know how much beer this FEC stuff will spill with Mr. and Ms. Swing Voter.
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		<title>by: rea</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503547</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;It still doesn’t seem like McCain is exactly in a fair situation here: McCain is required to get approval even though the FEC is disabled, but since the FEC is disabled he can’t get approval.&lt;/i&gt;

Except that he has no nonvexatious argument for asking the FEC to conclude he did not violate the law.  You don't get an exception from the requirements of the law simply by asking nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>It still doesn’t seem like McCain is exactly in a fair situation here: McCain is required to get approval even though the FEC is disabled, but since the FEC is disabled he can’t get approval.</i></p>
	<p>Except that he has no nonvexatious argument for asking the FEC to conclude he did not violate the law.  You don&#8217;t get an exception from the requirements of the law simply by asking nicely.
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		<title>by: Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503532</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm against all of these restrictions, but ...


No sympathy for McCain, these are HIS restrictions.
This is the crap he sposored and passed and thought was a great idea.  Let him SUFFER.

As J. Geils would say

Serve you right to suffer, babe, serve you right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m against all of these restrictions, but &#8230;</p>
	<p>No sympathy for McCain, these are HIS restrictions.<br />
This is the crap he sposored and passed and thought was a great idea.  Let him SUFFER.</p>
	<p>As J. Geils would say</p>
	<p>Serve you right to suffer, babe, serve you right.
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		<title>by: Longhairedweirdo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503455</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bitter Scribe:

The rules are pretty clear. He applied for the funds, and was told he was eligible. He *used* those funds. That he didn't spend them isn't relevant; he still gained value from them, as a loan guarantee. At that point, it seems pretty clear that he was committed to accepting them, and the restrictions that come with them.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Bitter Scribe:</p>
	<p>The rules are pretty clear. He applied for the funds, and was told he was eligible. He *used* those funds. That he didn&#8217;t spend them isn&#8217;t relevant; he still gained value from them, as a loan guarantee. At that point, it seems pretty clear that he was committed to accepting them, and the restrictions that come with them.
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		<title>by: paul</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503454</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The law pretty clearly says that using anticipated payments of matching funds as collateral for a loan constitutes acceptance of the matching funds and locks you into the public system. McCain's claim is that he only promised to use the funds as collateral if he didn't have the money to pay the loans back otherwise, which is bullshit because collateral is pretty much defined at what the bank gets to seize if you don't have the money to pay the loan back otherwise. 

And even more clearly, if Maverick McCain, the presumptive GOP candidate for president, really truly wanted his republican colleagues in the senate to stop blocking the FEC from having a quorum, he'd be twisting arms in public and private to have separate votes for the four nominees.  The fact that he hasn't said word one about that issue makes it clear he's perfectly happy with matters as they stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The law pretty clearly says that using anticipated payments of matching funds as collateral for a loan constitutes acceptance of the matching funds and locks you into the public system. McCain&#8217;s claim is that he only promised to use the funds as collateral if he didn&#8217;t have the money to pay the loans back otherwise, which is bullshit because collateral is pretty much defined at what the bank gets to seize if you don&#8217;t have the money to pay the loan back otherwise. </p>
	<p>And even more clearly, if Maverick McCain, the presumptive GOP candidate for president, really truly wanted his republican colleagues in the senate to stop blocking the FEC from having a quorum, he&#8217;d be twisting arms in public and private to have separate votes for the four nominees.  The fact that he hasn&#8217;t said word one about that issue makes it clear he&#8217;s perfectly happy with matters as they stand.
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		<title>by: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;He didn’t take the public funds, but he might have used them for loan collateral?&lt;/i&gt;

Except that it's illegal for him to use the public funds as collateral for other loans.  It's like arguing that it's weak that someone gets charged with armed robbery just because s/he has a knife instead of a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>He didn’t take the public funds, but he might have used them for loan collateral?</i></p>
	<p>Except that it&#8217;s illegal for him to use the public funds as collateral for other loans.  It&#8217;s like arguing that it&#8217;s weak that someone gets charged with armed robbery just because s/he has a knife instead of a gun.
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		<title>by: serena kitt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The problem with this is that McCain still *can't* raise any more money, legally, until he's free from the matching funds limit. And he's only trying to past that limit based on money he's borrowed-- with the matching funds as collateral. 

His fundraising *depends* on breaking the law.

Just like his Presidency would do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem with this is that McCain still *can&#8217;t* raise any more money, legally, until he&#8217;s free from the matching funds limit. And he&#8217;s only trying to past that limit based on money he&#8217;s borrowed&#8211; with the matching funds as collateral. </p>
	<p>His fundraising *depends* on breaking the law.</p>
	<p>Just like his Presidency would do.
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		<title>by: seebach</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>By the by, do you know why the FEC can't rule? Because Bush insists that Hans von Sparofsky (sic) be appointed to the board, and has refused any replacements. So until he gives up on Hans, the board can't get a quorum. And do you know who's working to block Hans? Obama!

The deliciousness goes to 11!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>By the by, do you know why the FEC can&#8217;t rule? Because Bush insists that Hans von Sparofsky (sic) be appointed to the board, and has refused any replacements. So until he gives up on Hans, the board can&#8217;t get a quorum. And do you know who&#8217;s working to block Hans? Obama!</p>
	<p>The deliciousness goes to 11!
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		<title>by: seebach</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503423</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For the love of ye gods, Obamabots and Hillbots and Gravelmaniacs alike... petard hoisting ought to be the national sport.

This is a magical golden diamond of happenstance to smack the man. Chisel the track and hammer down, hammer down, hammer down for freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For the love of ye gods, Obamabots and Hillbots and Gravelmaniacs alike&#8230; petard hoisting ought to be the national sport.</p>
	<p>This is a magical golden diamond of happenstance to smack the man. Chisel the track and hammer down, hammer down, hammer down for freedom.
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		<title>by: mcc</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/26/mccains-not-straight-talking-about-his-criminal-nose-thumbing-at-the-fec/#comment-503417</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Even with the weak FEC, the regulating body warned McCain that he cannot arbitrarily remove himself from the system, the FEC must approve his withdrawal.&lt;/i&gt;

It still doesn't seem like McCain is exactly in a fair situation here: McCain is required to get approval even though the FEC is disabled, but since the FEC is disabled he &lt;i&gt;can't&lt;/i&gt; get approval. This is a Kafkaesque punishment for accepting public financing, even if (as the FEC may eventually rule McCain did with the loan thing) McCain entered into the public financing system in bad faith. The possibility of winding up in such a Kafkaesque situation may dissuade people from utilizing public financing systems in future, which from a progressive perspective is a very bad thing.

On the other hand, it's interesting in that it's a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; hard to feel sympathy for McCain given he is, you know, a U.S. Senator, and the presumptive nominee of the party of the sitting President, who has endorsed him. In other words McCain is one of the very few people in the entire world who is currently in a position to fix the disabled FEC problem! McCain is legitimately in a position where he could personally negotiate an end to the gridlock preventing Congress and the President from bringing the FEC back online. As far as I know, he's not made an effort to do so; instead he just plunged ahead with his financing plan despite the warnings.

So we have someone who doesn't like the law, but although they're actually in a position to get the state of the law changed, they decide not to change it and instead just go ahead and break it. Sound familiar in recent politics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Even with the weak FEC, the regulating body warned McCain that he cannot arbitrarily remove himself from the system, the FEC must approve his withdrawal.</i></p>
	<p>It still doesn&#8217;t seem like McCain is exactly in a fair situation here: McCain is required to get approval even though the FEC is disabled, but since the FEC is disabled he <i>can&#8217;t</i> get approval. This is a Kafkaesque punishment for accepting public financing, even if (as the FEC may eventually rule McCain did with the loan thing) McCain entered into the public financing system in bad faith. The possibility of winding up in such a Kafkaesque situation may dissuade people from utilizing public financing systems in future, which from a progressive perspective is a very bad thing.</p>
	<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s interesting in that it&#8217;s a <i>little</i> hard to feel sympathy for McCain given he is, you know, a U.S. Senator, and the presumptive nominee of the party of the sitting President, who has endorsed him. In other words McCain is one of the very few people in the entire world who is currently in a position to fix the disabled FEC problem! McCain is legitimately in a position where he could personally negotiate an end to the gridlock preventing Congress and the President from bringing the FEC back online. As far as I know, he&#8217;s not made an effort to do so; instead he just plunged ahead with his financing plan despite the warnings.</p>
	<p>So we have someone who doesn&#8217;t like the law, but although they&#8217;re actually in a position to get the state of the law changed, they decide not to change it and instead just go ahead and break it. Sound familiar in recent politics?
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