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	<title>Comments on: Audio from my segment about race on the Mike Signorile Show</title>
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/25/audio-from-my-segment-about-race-on-the-mike-signorile-show/#comment-502931</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey Pam, I can't listen to the show right now because I'm on a school computer, but I just wanted to thank you for all your great work on race issues here.  I know that the commenters here (many of us white) sometimes don't feel like we have much to add to the discussion (as you say, race is really the third rail in American politics), but your perspective is really valuable.

Give 'em hell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Pam, I can&#8217;t listen to the show right now because I&#8217;m on a school computer, but I just wanted to thank you for all your great work on race issues here.  I know that the commenters here (many of us white) sometimes don&#8217;t feel like we have much to add to the discussion (as you say, race is really the third rail in American politics), but your perspective is really valuable.</p>
	<p>Give &#8216;em hell!
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/25/audio-from-my-segment-about-race-on-the-mike-signorile-show/#comment-502886</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Pam, u r teh rawkerz.  

In all seriousness, I'm so glad you're out there throwing punches---albeit, calm, rational, gosh-that's-common-sense-isn't-it punches---on this speech.  There's clearly a real attempt on the part of the mainstream media to downplay the issues raised, and unless the blogs push back, they might accomplish that goal.  

What bothers me is that I think it's 50% racism, but also 50% the MSM can't stand that Obama's smarter than they are.  He's not only wonky, but an elegant politician who flicks away bullshit like it was just a buzzing fly.  They go after his church in thinly veiled racist terms---most politicians would respond by jumping around, scared to piss anyone off.  He instead calls them on their shit, calls out the racism for what it is, and gets ahead of the controversy.  So now they're determined to reinterpret what was a monumental MSM smackdown until it doesn't look like a smackdown.  We can't let that happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Pam, u r teh rawkerz.  </p>
	<p>In all seriousness, I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;re out there throwing punches&#8212;albeit, calm, rational, gosh-that&#8217;s-common-sense-isn&#8217;t-it punches&#8212;on this speech.  There&#8217;s clearly a real attempt on the part of the mainstream media to downplay the issues raised, and unless the blogs push back, they might accomplish that goal.  </p>
	<p>What bothers me is that I think it&#8217;s 50% racism, but also 50% the MSM can&#8217;t stand that Obama&#8217;s smarter than they are.  He&#8217;s not only wonky, but an elegant politician who flicks away bullshit like it was just a buzzing fly.  They go after his church in thinly veiled racist terms&#8212;most politicians would respond by jumping around, scared to piss anyone off.  He instead calls them on their shit, calls out the racism for what it is, and gets ahead of the controversy.  So now they&#8217;re determined to reinterpret what was a monumental MSM smackdown until it doesn&#8217;t look like a smackdown.  We can&#8217;t let that happen.
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/25/audio-from-my-segment-about-race-on-the-mike-signorile-show/#comment-502885</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you Pam!

I have been fortunate that I have had friends in whom I've had relationships where we can ask and answer racial questions and neither take offense.  We understand that we are removing &quot;tapes&quot; that we got overting or inadvertantly throughout our lives.  And it is from, or has been from both sides. But that takes a comfort that only deep friendship provides. 

We also acknowledge that the race issue is there.  25+ years ago we were all having lunch together when we got on the subject of my African American friend (now a Dr.) going to pick up another friend when she went back home for a visit, and bring her back (for school).  She is white and lived in a very small ALL white small town in Colorado.  He began to pile on all the reactions he would receive from this small town when he went to pick her up.

We were on the laughing as we ate our lunch, because while it was so sad and so our mutal acknowledgment, not shrinking from it, not ignoring it, but acknowledging it.  But in his bit he forgot to use one word, which I reminded him of -&quot;you forgot to add boy&quot; which was immediately added and which sent all of us to the floor.

This is the same person who called me on some passive racism I was expressing in my attempts to make a joke.  So he wasn't a push over, and I stopped using it then and there. (I actually knew where it came from, my high school JROTC instructor)  - we still talk for many hours on the phone.

Another African American best friend (I hate having to reface it that way) and I have the same, &quot;ask anything I won't be offended&quot; relationship.  One day I was telling her how my mom always fried chicken in an electric skillet.  She stopped me and was surprised, &quot;your mom fried chicken?&quot;

&quot;yes&quot;

&quot;You grew up making and eating friend chicken?&quot;

&quot;Yes&quot;

&quot;I was taught that white people don't eat fried chicken.&quot;

I started to laugh, &quot;S&quot; I said &quot;there's a big white head on the KFC sign&quot; -- she hadn't made the connection 

I have a &quot;rainbow&quot; of best, close friends, African American, Asian, Latinos, white - and I am generally the one who stands up and challenges other whites on white priviledge. Because after the person generally get's the obligatory &quot;white liberal guilt&quot; comment out, I go on and challenge them.

The most recent was here on my block.  I live in a cul-de-sac of 6 homes.  3 of those homes have a toddler.  One of the toddlers lives in a home of an O'Reilly loving white conservative.  Another is a 4 generation African American family.

One day when we three were outside, conservative father said did the Tony Snow - there is no racism, and no such thing as white priviledge.  My African American neighbor wasn't going to take it on, it was too charged.  But it wasn't so charged if I took it, and I did. 

I asked him if he was going to teach his son to put his hands on the dashboard if stopped by a cop

he said &quot;no&quot;

I turned to my African American neighbor and asked her and she said &quot;that's what we were taught, that's what i will teach&quot;

I turned to him and said &quot;that's your white privilege.&quot;

My white uncle when he and his family came to visit was watching &quot;Mannix&quot; with my dad and I.  He said &quot;He's the guy with the n***** secretary?&quot; - I left the room.  

It was the same visit where my cousin found out that I had a crush on an African American boy in my class - she became unglued.

My dad's family said many racist things, and some were/are outright racists.  What they said was offensive and there were times removing ourselves from their presence was the only way to preserve some harmony . . . I'm surprised their heads didn't explode when I said &quot;I do&quot; to a man that wasn't/isn't white. 

However my mother's brother, a farmer, asked me when I was visiting them in Kansas - if I had and &quot;angus&quot; kids in my school .. . we were at the stock tank at the time and he was watering a few cattle.  There was angus among the cattle, but they weren't the only ones.

I wasn't offended at that.  He was trying to ask about integration at school - it was an ackward and ignorant way to ask the question, but it wasn't done with malice in his heart.

Okay, I'm done opening a vein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you Pam!</p>
	<p>I have been fortunate that I have had friends in whom I&#8217;ve had relationships where we can ask and answer racial questions and neither take offense.  We understand that we are removing &#8220;tapes&#8221; that we got overting or inadvertantly throughout our lives.  And it is from, or has been from both sides. But that takes a comfort that only deep friendship provides. </p>
	<p>We also acknowledge that the race issue is there.  25+ years ago we were all having lunch together when we got on the subject of my African American friend (now a Dr.) going to pick up another friend when she went back home for a visit, and bring her back (for school).  She is white and lived in a very small ALL white small town in Colorado.  He began to pile on all the reactions he would receive from this small town when he went to pick her up.</p>
	<p>We were on the laughing as we ate our lunch, because while it was so sad and so our mutal acknowledgment, not shrinking from it, not ignoring it, but acknowledging it.  But in his bit he forgot to use one word, which I reminded him of -&#8221;you forgot to add boy&#8221; which was immediately added and which sent all of us to the floor.</p>
	<p>This is the same person who called me on some passive racism I was expressing in my attempts to make a joke.  So he wasn&#8217;t a push over, and I stopped using it then and there. (I actually knew where it came from, my high school JROTC instructor)  - we still talk for many hours on the phone.</p>
	<p>Another African American best friend (I hate having to reface it that way) and I have the same, &#8220;ask anything I won&#8217;t be offended&#8221; relationship.  One day I was telling her how my mom always fried chicken in an electric skillet.  She stopped me and was surprised, &#8220;your mom fried chicken?&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;yes&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;You grew up making and eating friend chicken?&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Yes&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;I was taught that white people don&#8217;t eat fried chicken.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I started to laugh, &#8220;S&#8221; I said &#8220;there&#8217;s a big white head on the KFC sign&#8221; &#8212; she hadn&#8217;t made the connection </p>
	<p>I have a &#8220;rainbow&#8221; of best, close friends, African American, Asian, Latinos, white - and I am generally the one who stands up and challenges other whites on white priviledge. Because after the person generally get&#8217;s the obligatory &#8220;white liberal guilt&#8221; comment out, I go on and challenge them.</p>
	<p>The most recent was here on my block.  I live in a cul-de-sac of 6 homes.  3 of those homes have a toddler.  One of the toddlers lives in a home of an O&#8217;Reilly loving white conservative.  Another is a 4 generation African American family.</p>
	<p>One day when we three were outside, conservative father said did the Tony Snow - there is no racism, and no such thing as white priviledge.  My African American neighbor wasn&#8217;t going to take it on, it was too charged.  But it wasn&#8217;t so charged if I took it, and I did. </p>
	<p>I asked him if he was going to teach his son to put his hands on the dashboard if stopped by a cop</p>
	<p>he said &#8220;no&#8221;</p>
	<p>I turned to my African American neighbor and asked her and she said &#8220;that&#8217;s what we were taught, that&#8217;s what i will teach&#8221;</p>
	<p>I turned to him and said &#8220;that&#8217;s your white privilege.&#8221;</p>
	<p>My white uncle when he and his family came to visit was watching &#8220;Mannix&#8221; with my dad and I.  He said &#8220;He&#8217;s the guy with the n***** secretary?&#8221; - I left the room.  </p>
	<p>It was the same visit where my cousin found out that I had a crush on an African American boy in my class - she became unglued.</p>
	<p>My dad&#8217;s family said many racist things, and some were/are outright racists.  What they said was offensive and there were times removing ourselves from their presence was the only way to preserve some harmony . . . I&#8217;m surprised their heads didn&#8217;t explode when I said &#8220;I do&#8221; to a man that wasn&#8217;t/isn&#8217;t white. </p>
	<p>However my mother&#8217;s brother, a farmer, asked me when I was visiting them in Kansas - if I had and &#8220;angus&#8221; kids in my school .. . we were at the stock tank at the time and he was watering a few cattle.  There was angus among the cattle, but they weren&#8217;t the only ones.</p>
	<p>I wasn&#8217;t offended at that.  He was trying to ask about integration at school - it was an ackward and ignorant way to ask the question, but it wasn&#8217;t done with malice in his heart.</p>
	<p>Okay, I&#8217;m done opening a vein.
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