Valor theft degrades every service member and veteran, and, as a point of honor, I call on the former admirals, generals, and service veterans who are publicly in support of Senator Clinton to renounce that support. Continue it, and her dishonor is your dishonor.

Hillary Clinton’s “misremembering” of sniper fire has made her a joke in many circles (e.g., hello Sinbad), but for the veterans I know (and I know lots of them), they’re actually pretty pissed.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/28/111610/066/70/486058

Tynfoylhattie, care to elaborate on Olbermann? I mean, not like HRC hasn’t been rather hamhandedly playing old boy and old girl and establishment cards right and left throughout the Northeast.

Isn’t her beloved pet pitbull Carville an old boy too? What about that extensive list of Old Boys on HRC’s endorsement page?

At this point, I see the Bushisms repeated so consistently in the media that I’m starting to think they’re actual words, as in, the kind that may be found in the dictionary.

Well, I’ve seen misunderestimate used so many times that I’ve deliberately used misoverestimate a time or two!

And I even coined a new word, in a comment on someone else’s blog, to cover such a whopper of a misstatement: it was a misspokement. You may use it freely!

That was exactly my reaction, and it is not a good one. A good staff protects the candidate from him/herself but the lie is no one’s fault but her own. This is bad and recalls the worst part of Bill’s term– a disregard, even an indifference to the truth. They just make crap up. Bill and Raygun were better liars because it was tougher to check their lies. By the time you disproved the lie nobody cared about the story anymore.

The why of telling an obvious lie is quite a mystery. Remember Bill saying he was the first president to know anything about agriculture? It kinda boggles the mind.

I am a fan of Hilary’s in many ways but this was bad.

At this point, I see the Bushisms repeated so consistently in the media that I’m starting to think they’re actual words, as in, the kind that may be found in the dictionary. People ask me every once in a while whether something they’ve read or heard is an actual word. I used to be able to answer after a brief moment of thought. Now I don’t trust my judgment anymore. That’s another Bush legacy I’m suffering from.

That would have a whole lot more mileage if, once she was called on it, she corrected herself. Real people do make mistakes, remember things incorrectly, and all that. But whether or not any given statement is a lie, when the truth is clearly presented and you continue to say the same thing, then there is no possibility of question - she’s lying now, whether she did at first or not.

And can we please get off the whole “people see things and remember things differently” BS train?

It’s one thing to say “I remember in ‘92 when my car got totalled on the way to Grandma’s for Thanksgiving Dinner.”

If it gets pointed out that it was actually ‘93 - remember, it was the year AFTER grandpa died, or if it gets pointed out that it wasn’t for Thankgiving, but for celebrating her November birthday a week before Thanksgiving, then you have a valid “misremembered” situation.

If someone tries to call you a liar because, yes, there was a terrible accident that day, yes, you spent a week in traction, yes, your car was damaged and you missed the whole holiday, but that since the dealership was able to repar the car, technically, it wasn’t, strictly speaking, “totalled” — so you are a liar and the whole incident never happened, you bastard, then you’ve got cause to cry SwiftBoating.

But if someone pulls out a video of you showing up 5 minutes late to that party, happy and laughing, and your spouse looks at you and says “I’ve been with you to every family party since we met and that never happened, and besides, the car is out in the driveway right now!” then you’re a liar. Pure and simple.

If Clinton was disputing some detail like the time of day or the inflight menu, or whether it was a little girl or boy who met them at the plane, then I’d give her a break. But you don’t confuse being greeted by smiling children with sniper fire. Doesn’t happen.

Are you saying she ‘misremembered’ her entire tenure as first lady? If so, does that make her more electable?

Personally, I like to think the people I vote for can at least remember a recent 8 year span of their own lives.

Also, the interesting part of the papers is that the times when she really did appear to have big important meetings in the Oval Office turn out to be stuff like pardoning her brother in law. Which is something that is inevitably going to be brought up in the general election.