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	<title>Comments on: Sally Kern hooks up with fundie law firm before agreeing to speak to the homos</title>
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		<title>by: clytemnestra</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national Christian public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, called Representative Kern “a courageous Christian woman,” and announced today that the Law Center has agreed to represent her in any misguided legal action arising out this controversy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's just the cover.  She just wants to have witnesses if the activists give the &quot;teh gay&quot;

She'll probably have a 2 gal bottle of Purell, a can of lysol and a box of latex gloves in her brief case for the  meeting.

I'm not sure, but she maybe wearing a mask as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national Christian public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, called Representative Kern “a courageous Christian woman,” and announced today that the Law Center has agreed to represent her in any misguided legal action arising out this controversy.</p></blockquote>
	<p>That&#8217;s just the cover.  She just wants to have witnesses if the activists give the &#8220;teh gay&#8221;</p>
	<p>She&#8217;ll probably have a 2 gal bottle of Purell, a can of lysol and a box of latex gloves in her brief case for the  meeting.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not sure, but she maybe wearing a mask as well.
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		<title>by: emily</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;As if to underscore the point, students are shown a film instructing them on how to use condoms in anal and oral sex.
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Wait, how is condom use for anal or oral sex any different than for plain old missionary position penis-in-vagina sex?  What with the not having sex with men I guess I missed this subtlety.  

But honestly, seeing that big ole list of progress on accepting everyone's family makes me so happy, even if it is being used by someone trying to erode that progress.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote cite=""><p>As if to underscore the point, students are shown a film instructing them on how to use condoms in anal and oral sex.
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	<p>Wait, how is condom use for anal or oral sex any different than for plain old missionary position penis-in-vagina sex?  What with the not having sex with men I guess I missed this subtlety.  </p>
	<p>But honestly, seeing that big ole list of progress on accepting everyone&#8217;s family makes me so happy, even if it is being used by someone trying to erode that progress.
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		<title>by: signthelist</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The booklet is published by a group of psychologists, don’t you think that maybe they’d have just a little better idea of what’s a normal psychological state and what isn’t?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, Benjamin. Didn't you hear? The psychologists are in on it, too. Good Christians don't support psychology or psychiatry. That's the Devil's tool. It's all a part of the big bad Gay Agenda. Why, they share the same first letters as psychics for a REASON, dontca know. Growing up, I remember our preacher making jokes about people going to the therapists and trying to &quot;find&quot; themselves. &quot;You want to find yourself?&quot; he'd ask. &quot;You want to know where you are?&quot; His voice quiet and thoughtful, the congregation on the edge of their pews. &quot;I'll tell you where you are!&quot; he'd say in a booming voice, breaking the silence. &quot;You're in GOD'S HOUSE NOW!&quot; And everyone would hoop and holler because ain't that the truth, God bless him, those people just need to find the Good Lord. 

If you've got a problem, you pray and pray and pray really hard and if that doesn't work, maybe you can talk to the pastor (or the pastor's wife, if you're a woman -- no appearance of impropriety allowed) and well, he'll just tell you to keep praying really hard and if it doesn't change, well, then you're just not trying hard enough is all.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And how did they know, anyway? Was he wearing a sign?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps it was the feather boa that gave him away.

&lt;blockquote&gt;All good Christianists want to be punished for their beleefs. Since matrydom is not practiced in the US or Europe, playing victim is all they have.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Slactivist's &lt;a href=&quot;http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/03/lb-martyr-envy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest commentary&lt;/a&gt; on the ever awful Left Behind series talks about Martr Syndrome. Because seriously, things are WAY MORE exciting if you're getting persecuted. Until...you know... you're ACTUALLY being persecuted and oppressed. But I think it's safe to say that most white American Christians will never be persecuted in America, merely called out on their privilege and have their sensibilities offended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>The booklet is published by a group of psychologists, don’t you think that maybe they’d have just a little better idea of what’s a normal psychological state and what isn’t?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Oh, Benjamin. Didn&#8217;t you hear? The psychologists are in on it, too. Good Christians don&#8217;t support psychology or psychiatry. That&#8217;s the Devil&#8217;s tool. It&#8217;s all a part of the big bad Gay Agenda. Why, they share the same first letters as psychics for a REASON, dontca know. Growing up, I remember our preacher making jokes about people going to the therapists and trying to &#8220;find&#8221; themselves. &#8220;You want to find yourself?&#8221; he&#8217;d ask. &#8220;You want to know where you are?&#8221; His voice quiet and thoughtful, the congregation on the edge of their pews. &#8220;I&#8217;ll tell you where you are!&#8221; he&#8217;d say in a booming voice, breaking the silence. &#8220;You&#8217;re in GOD&#8217;S HOUSE NOW!&#8221; And everyone would hoop and holler because ain&#8217;t that the truth, God bless him, those people just need to find the Good Lord. </p>
	<p>If you&#8217;ve got a problem, you pray and pray and pray really hard and if that doesn&#8217;t work, maybe you can talk to the pastor (or the pastor&#8217;s wife, if you&#8217;re a woman &#8212; no appearance of impropriety allowed) and well, he&#8217;ll just tell you to keep praying really hard and if it doesn&#8217;t change, well, then you&#8217;re just not trying hard enough is all.</p>
	<blockquote><p>And how did they know, anyway? Was he wearing a sign?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Perhaps it was the feather boa that gave him away.</p>
	<blockquote><p>All good Christianists want to be punished for their beleefs. Since matrydom is not practiced in the US or Europe, playing victim is all they have.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Slactivist&#8217;s <a href="http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/03/lb-martyr-envy.html" rel="nofollow">latest commentary</a> on the ever awful Left Behind series talks about Martr Syndrome. Because seriously, things are WAY MORE exciting if you&#8217;re getting persecuted. Until&#8230;you know&#8230; you&#8217;re ACTUALLY being persecuted and oppressed. But I think it&#8217;s safe to say that most white American Christians will never be persecuted in America, merely called out on their privilege and have their sensibilities offended.
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		<title>by: Peter, High Sea Lord of the Yellow Rubber Duck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm

&quot;
“play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s”

We women need to get on this playbook thing. So far, we only have an agenda, and while some agree with me that it is pink and scented, the actual CONTENT of the agenda is still up in the air.

Can anyone fill me in on the “radical homosexual playbook”?&quot;

Actually, this one is not completely made up out of their fevered brains. Just fanned into flames by them.

Madsen and Kirk wrote a book entitled &quot;After the Ball&quot; which included, among other things, a fairly tame discussion of how to use what are more or less standard marketing techniques to improve gay visibility and people's attitudes.

This is, of course, proof that all gay people are part of a giant conspiracy, especially when they can point to things on the list and show that they are being done - so obviously we're following the playbook BECAUSE it is a playbook promulgated by the leaders of TEH GAY.

Since a lot of the points in the plan are things that boil down to &quot;come out to everyone you can&quot;  &quot;Make sure that straight people see  gay people doing normal everyday things instead of just scary over-the-top sex things&quot; &quot;get large corporations to advertise to the gay community and sponsor community events&quot; -- in short, commonsense things that were pretty much guaranteed to come about.

This isn't to minimize their vision, nor the courage of the people who broke ground getting it started. Just that these things are mostly community and grass roots (and just people living their lives) things that don't require a massive gay conspiracy to have happen.

Of course, since the Christianist takeover of school boards, etc did come about precisely as the result of the sort of coordinated effort they accuse us of, most of their fears are pretty solid projection. 

&quot;Hey, they're as organized as us, they're winning, and they get to have sex!&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href='http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm</a></p>
	<p>&#8221;<br />
“play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s”</p>
	<p>We women need to get on this playbook thing. So far, we only have an agenda, and while some agree with me that it is pink and scented, the actual CONTENT of the agenda is still up in the air.</p>
	<p>Can anyone fill me in on the “radical homosexual playbook”?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Actually, this one is not completely made up out of their fevered brains. Just fanned into flames by them.</p>
	<p>Madsen and Kirk wrote a book entitled &#8220;After the Ball&#8221; which included, among other things, a fairly tame discussion of how to use what are more or less standard marketing techniques to improve gay visibility and people&#8217;s attitudes.</p>
	<p>This is, of course, proof that all gay people are part of a giant conspiracy, especially when they can point to things on the list and show that they are being done - so obviously we&#8217;re following the playbook BECAUSE it is a playbook promulgated by the leaders of TEH GAY.</p>
	<p>Since a lot of the points in the plan are things that boil down to &#8220;come out to everyone you can&#8221;  &#8220;Make sure that straight people see  gay people doing normal everyday things instead of just scary over-the-top sex things&#8221; &#8220;get large corporations to advertise to the gay community and sponsor community events&#8221; &#8212; in short, commonsense things that were pretty much guaranteed to come about.</p>
	<p>This isn&#8217;t to minimize their vision, nor the courage of the people who broke ground getting it started. Just that these things are mostly community and grass roots (and just people living their lives) things that don&#8217;t require a massive gay conspiracy to have happen.</p>
	<p>Of course, since the Christianist takeover of school boards, etc did come about precisely as the result of the sort of coordinated effort they accuse us of, most of their fears are pretty solid projection. </p>
	<p>&#8220;Hey, they&#8217;re as organized as us, they&#8217;re winning, and they get to have sex!&#8221;
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		<title>by: Pam Spaulding</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I assume that this is his comeback to “The Peter?” Does he not understand what “The Peter” refers to? &lt;/i&gt;

Uh, no. :)

Signed,
The Pam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I assume that this is his comeback to “The Peter?” Does he not understand what “The Peter” refers to? </i></p>
	<p>Uh, no. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Signed,<br />
The Pam
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		<title>by: paul</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ann Arbor is liberalish, but go a couple dozen miles west and you'll find the Pentecost Highway and the Jesus Will Be Back Soon billboards and the fundie summer resort towns. They're lurking just over the horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ann Arbor is liberalish, but go a couple dozen miles west and you&#8217;ll find the Pentecost Highway and the Jesus Will Be Back Soon billboards and the fundie summer resort towns. They&#8217;re lurking just over the horizon.
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		<title>by: mcc</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>...aaargh, there's my missing comment. Three times. I am sorry about that :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8230;aaargh, there&#8217;s my missing comment. Three times. I am sorry about that <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: shartheheretic</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What has happened to good ole Ann Arbor, MI? It used to be the bastion of &quot;liberal eeeevil&quot; in Michigan (what with the University there and all). How in the world can a bible-beating conservative law firm get any business in that town, unless it's REALLY changed since I left there?

On topic, this story just keeps getting stranger by the day. This woman is truly off her rocker...or maybe she is just starved for attention of ANY kind. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What has happened to good ole Ann Arbor, MI? It used to be the bastion of &#8220;liberal eeeevil&#8221; in Michigan (what with the University there and all). How in the world can a bible-beating conservative law firm get any business in that town, unless it&#8217;s REALLY changed since I left there?</p>
	<p>On topic, this story just keeps getting stranger by the day. This woman is truly off her rocker&#8230;or maybe she is just starved for attention of ANY kind.
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		<title>by: Bitter Scribe</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they’re good Christians. 

&lt;/i&gt;By their fruits ye shall know them...um, never mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they’re good Christians. </p>
	<p></i>By their fruits ye shall know them&#8230;um, never mind.
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		<title>by: Karalora</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All good Christianists want to be punished for their beleefs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they're good Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>All good Christianists want to be punished for their beleefs.</p></blockquote>
	<p>In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they&#8217;re good Christians.
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