The story that will not die, because the bigot is so stubborn.
Why does Sally Kern need an attorney before engaging in a discussion with members of the LGBT community about her remarks as an elected official? (TulsaWorld):
The Thomas More Law Center's press release is now bleating about her being "secretly taped." Kern said it was a public event and she is an elected official, so what is the need for attorneys? You have to read this press release to believe it. The breathtaking lunacy is after the jump.Kern said later that she would be willing to meet next week with two or three people representing the gay and lesbian community. "I'd have no problem meeting with them next week when I have my lawyer," she said. Kern said she is working with a lawyer from the Thomas More Law Center based in Ann Arbor, Mich. The law center described as a conservative Christian center has offices throughout the country.
Hat tip to Joe Murray on this one.
Thomas More Law Center Announces Representation of Oklahoma Legislator Targeted by Radical Homosexuals
ANN ARBOR, MI — Representative Sally Kern has received over 27,000 vulgar, hate filled e-mails, her life has been threatened, her son falsely accused of being a homosexual, her financial supporters contacted and asked to no longer support her, and a leading homosexual activist entered her husband’s church last Sunday and took notes on her husband’s sermon. At times, as a precaution, a state trooper walks by her side when she enters the State Capitol.
The reason – Representative Kern, an Oklahoma legislator, married to a local Baptist minister, spoke at a public Republican club meeting in which she gave information about the political strategies of activist homosexuals to defeat conservative candidates. Her comments were secretly taped, and appeared as a “You Tube” audio clip.
Representative Kern expressed her concern that the homosexual agenda was destroying our nation, and that young school children were being indoctrinated into believing that the homosexual “life style” is normal. Her comments caused some of the nation’s largest homosexual groups to target her for political annihilation.
Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Thomas More Law Center, a national Christian public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, called Representative Kern “a courageous Christian woman,” and announced today that the Law Center has agreed to represent her in any misguided legal action arising out this controversy. The Law Center will be assisted by its local affiliated attorney, Bill Kumpe.
Said Thompson, “Representative Kern will not back down, regardless of the attempted hate-mongering intimidation by these national homosexual advocacy groups. Their actions are right out of a play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s to manipulate and intimidate the majority of Americans into accepting the normalcy of the homosexual life style.”
Continued Thompson, “Radical homosexual groups are attempting to curtail Representative Kern’s constitutional rights to free speech, and use that speech as a platform to push for anti-Christian “hate crime” laws. In effect, their goal is to criminalize Christians and Christian beliefs.”
Thompson observed, “Her comments represent the view of a majority of Americans. All you need to do is look at all of the states that have overwhelmingly adopted constitutional amendments or statutes defending traditional marriages from the homosexual agenda. Christians believe that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity, contrary to the natural law and under no circumstances can they be approved. However, Christians also believe one must love the sinner, but hate the sin.”
It is a fact that the radical homosexual groups reach into our schools indoctrinating our children.
- In one Massachusetts school district, without informing parents, kindergarten and first grade students were read the story King and King — about 2 princes who fall in love and marry. The last page of the book – undoubtedly shown to the children – ends with a picture of the 2 kings kissing.
- When outraged parents found out, they sued the school district. Incredibly ? but not surprisingly ? the First Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the teacher’s right to read the book saying, “Public schools are not obliged to shield students from ideas which potentially are religiously offensive.”
- A 24-page pro-homosexual booklet is set to be distributed to all 16,000 school districts in the nation. The booklet produced by the National Education Association and the American Psychological Association falsely tells students that homosexuality is a “normal expression of human sexuality.”
- Every year, homosexual rights groups, with the blessing of school officials, sponsor a “Day of Silence” when students and some teachers in schools across the nation remain silent ? with tape across their mouths ? throughout the school day. This year it’s on April 25. The stated purpose is to make others aware of discrimination against homosexuals. In reality, it is a means of propagandizing and pressuring students to regard homosexual, bisexual and transgender behavior as normal.
- In the Montgomery County, Maryland School district, eighth and tenth graders are taught that homosexuality is innate? they’re born that way. As if to underscore the point, students are shown a film instructing them on how to use condoms in anal and oral sex.
In 2004, Oklahoma voters passed a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as consisting only of the union of one man and one woman by 76%.
The Thomas More Law Center defends and promotes the religious freedom of Christians, time-honored family values, and the sanctity of human life through education, litigation, and related activities. It does not charge for its services. The Law Center is supported by contributions from individuals, corporations and foundations, and is recognized by the IRS as a section 501(c)(3) organization. You may reach the Thomas More Law Center at (734) 827-2001 or visit our website at www.thomasmore.org.
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The Peter is beyond crazy.
In entertainment news, I got name-checked in LaBarbera's latest defense of Sally Kern, as one of the moderate "homosexual haters" blasting the Oklahoma legislator, in his post 'Queer' Quotes: Hating Jesus, and Selfishness Redefined.
Yawn.Homosexual haters are everywhere in the blogosphere, as a quick visit to lesbian activist Pam Spaulding's "Pam's House Blend" blog will attest. Commenters on her site put the "m" back in mean, especially when they're bashing Christians; they even make "The Pam" seem moderate by comparison — no small feat.
* Watch the Sally Kern YouTube video
* Read her interview with Matt Barber and Peter LaBarbera
* Review the Sally Kern archive
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Radical homosexual groups are attempting to curtail Representative Kern’s constitutional rights to free speech, and use that speech as a platform to push for anti-Christian “hate crime” laws.
How is providing Rep. Kern with a worldwide audience for her views via YouTube an attempt to curtail her free speech?
Nadai-making someone look like an ass in public IS curtailing her free speechifying. Now all the cool kids will laugh at her and throw eggs at her. As noted be many people before me, christians like to bleat and bray about being persecuted when other people push back against their narrow-minded worldview. I should say, some christians, but I’m afraid it’s most christians. Which really sucks for those of us who are Christians AND liberals.
..they even make “The Pam” seem moderate by comparison…
I assume that this is his comeback to “The Peter?” Does he not understand what “The Peter” refers to? Or does he think that connecting you to a brand name cooking product is equivalent? Or is there a “Pam” reference with which I am not familiar?
As to the press release…
I’m just relieved to know that organizations and positions like that are becoming more and more marginalized as time passes.
Continued Thompson, “Radical homosexual groups are attempting to curtail Representative Kern’s constitutional rights to free speech, and use that speech as a platform to push for anti-Christian “hate crime” laws. In effect, their goal is to criminalize Christians and Christian beliefs.”
Although no suits have been brought nor appeals to the government to censor Kern. It is less than reassuring that a law firm doesn’t actually understand what the first amendment refers to and, therefore, that it doesn’t guarantee a right to not be criticised.
Oh, gosh. Someone actually listened to a sermon! The world will end.
You have to admire, in a weird way, the complete craziness of people who never heard of Damon and Pythias or think that the only reason 16-year-olds might want to know how to use a condom is so that they can have queer sex. It almost rises to performance art.
But I hope at night they’re visited by the man whose name they’ve usurped, the one who supposedly said “I’d give the devil himself benefit of law.” (Of course, More is also the one who reportedly stripped his sleeping daughters naked so that his protege could decide which one to marry.)
Excuse me? Falsely? Who the bloody hell is he to be deciding what’s true and what’s false? The booklet is published by a group of psychologists, don’t you think that maybe they’d have just a little better idea of what’s a normal psychological state and what isn’t?
You can’t fucking argue with a fucking crazy person in Oklahoma (or elsewhere, for that matter, but I’m not about eliminating 94% of overall blogospheric content). Being fucking crazy is apparently not a delimiting electability factor.
Jake Squid:
PAM - Pluggable Authentication Modules. Hope this helps.
What? I went through eighth and tenth grade health class in Montgomery County. We never got a video on how to use condoms! We didn’t even get bananas.
Commenters on her site put the “m” back in mean, especially when they’re bashing Christians
wtf does that even mean?
Other than The Peter has the logical skills of a first grader.
“wtf does that even mean?”
Some commenters on Pam’s House Blend don’t agree with The Peter, therefore they are mean…
It seems he doesn’t just have the logical skills of a first grader - he seems to have the temperament of one too…
“Radical,” in this case, meaning “not in the closet,” or “not willing to lie about it to the likes of Mrs. Kerns.”
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AND–Pam got a definitive article! How cool is that?!!!
When was the “m” ever not in mean?
Thank you, The Pam, for before you we were all just plain ean.
*sigh*
So it’s “free speech” for her to represent her opinions as fact, but when other people respectfully disagree and/or use actual facts to debunk her claims they’re oppressing her or using “hate-mongering intimidation”?
Baffling.
The ruling was “incredible, but not surprising.” really? how does that work?
Of COURSE she wants a lawyer; she saw “Philadelphia” and is scared of teh gay attorneez…
Thomas More Law Center, isn’t this the same group that tried to get “intelligent design” into the Indiana(I think) school system? PBS did a great piece on this.
a leading homosexual activist entered her husband’s church last Sunday and took notes on her husband’s sermon.
Am I to understand that this activity is akin to making death threats? Or is it a radical, scandalous act only when a gay person does it? What the f#ck is in the water out there?
I’m so happy to see that she has top-notch representation.
Thomas More Law Center was so successful in the ‘intelligent design’ case in Dover PA, they really are the go-to team for fundies in artificial distress.
I am sure they will do…whatever it is she thinks she needs them to do, to the best of their abilities, whatever those may be.
Hey, did you guys notice that there is a whole, um, “radical homosexual play-book”?
“play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s”
We women need to get on this playbook thing. So far, we only have an agenda, and while some agree with me that it is pink and scented, the actual CONTENT of the agenda is still up in the air.
Can anyone fill me in on the “radical homosexual playbook”? Since it was written in the 1980s, are there any doodles of David Bowie from Labyrinth, or is that a straight chick thing?
Thomas More Law Center, isn’t this the same group that tried to get “intelligent design” into the Indiana(I think) school system? PBS did a great piece on this.
In fact, exactly them. The TMLC provided the defense for the school district in the Dover, Pennslyvania intelligent design case.
More than that, though. The TMLC is responsible for that case existing in the first place. The TMLC were the ones that advised the school board to go ahead with the policy before they first drafted it, the ones who recommended Of Pandas and People– the creationist “textbook” at issue in the Dover case– in the first place. They did this at a time when the actual Intelligent Design movement (which was only ever just a think tank in Seattle) was advising against attempting to target school boards or take steps that could lead to ID being judged in a courtroom, because of the risks that would entail. But the TMLC went ahead anyway. And the TMLC lost.
And that loss was much, much, much worse for Intelligent Design than if the lawsuit had never occurred. The lawsuit laid bare the vacuity and deceit at the heart of Intelligent Design, in an environment where the ID side could not control the presentation and could not run away from uncomfortable issues once they were raised. The final decision was as bad for ID as it could possibly be, ruling not only that ID was unconstitutional for use in public schools but that ID was not science, was religion, and was a relabeling of Creation Science. The decision wasn’t binding out of its immediate jurisdiction, but was clearly composed and strongly supported enough that no court (or media outlet) could have realistically viewed ID any differently afterward.
The ID movement had spent fifteen years building up a modicum of pseudo-respectability, convincing media outlets to report, or at least report “both sides of”, a series of constructed illusions about ID being not just rebranded creationism but some kind of serious intellectual movement with new arguments concerning evolution. After fifteen years of this, creationism had garnered more power and public credulity than it had in decades. And then as soon as that Dover ruling came out that all evaporated. The media stopped taking ID’s illusions seriously, all ID’s legal avenues were permanently shut off, and even within the creationist movement ID lost its currency (meaning here both political sway and funding lines) as supporters and right-wing pundits went back to the young-earth creationism they’d have preferred all along. (Even “Expelled”, Ben Stein’s “documentary” next month which may constitute an attempt to start a new wave of the creationist movement, appears to essentially abandon the strategy the Intelligent Design movement had based itself on from 1989-2005, as all indications I’ve seen from advance press is that the movie openly identifies the Designer as God.)
A series of further defeats followed over the year after Dover for which Dover set the tone, and the ID movement has not since recovered even a fraction of what they had in 2005. And it all started with the TMLC’s decision to get the ball rolling in Pennsylvania.
In other words: The TMLC is the group that personally destroyed the Intelligent Design movement. Let us see then what they can do for Sally Kern.
Thomas More Law Center, isn’t this the same group that tried to get “intelligent design” into the Indiana(I think) school system? PBS did a great piece on this.
In fact, exactly them. The TMLC provided the defense for the school district in the Dover, Pennslyvania intelligent design case.
More than that, though. The TMLC is responsible for that case existing in the first place. The TMLC were the ones that advised the school board to go ahead with the policy before they first drafted it, the ones who recommended Of Pandas and People– the creationist “textbook” at issue in the Dover case– in the first place (see first google result for ‘kitzmiller buckingham of pandas and people’). They did this at a time when the actual Intelligent Design movement (which was only ever just a think tank in Seattle) was advising against attempting to target school boards or take steps that could lead to ID being judged in a courtroom, because of the risks that would entail. But the TMLC went ahead anyway. And the TMLC lost.
And that loss was much, much, much worse for Intelligent Design than if the lawsuit had never occurred– the guys in Seattle were right to be concerned about the risks. The lawsuit laid bare the vacuity and deceit at the heart of Intelligent Design, in an environment where the ID side could not control the presentation and could not run away from uncomfortable issues once they were raised. The final decision was as bad for ID as it could have possibly been, ruling not only that ID was unconstitutional for use in public schools but that ID was not science, was religion, and was a relabeling of Creation Science. The decision wasn’t binding out of its immediate jurisdiction, but was clearly composed and strongly supported enough that no court (or media outlet) could have realistically viewed ID any differently afterward.
The ID movement had spent fifteen years building up a modicum of pseudo-respectability, convincing media outlets to report, or at least report “both sides of”, a series of constructed illusions about ID being not just rebranded creationism but some kind of serious intellectual movement with new arguments concerning evolution. After fifteen years of this, creationism had garnered more power and public credulity than it had in decades. And then as soon as that Dover ruling came out that all evaporated. The media stopped taking ID’s illusions seriously, all ID’s legal avenues were permanently shut off, and even within the creationist movement ID lost its currency (meaning here both political sway and funding lines) as supporters and right-wing pundits went back to the young-earth creationism they’d have preferred all along. (Even “Expelled”, Ben Stein’s “documentary” next month which may constitute an attempt to start a new wave of the creationist movement, appears to essentially abandon the strategy the Intelligent Design movement had based itself on from 1989-2005, as all indications I’ve seen from advance press is that the movie openly identifies the Designer as God.)
A series of further defeats followed over the year after Dover for which Dover set the tone, and the ID movement has not since recovered even a fraction of what they had in 2005. And it all started with the TMLC’s decision to get the ball rolling in Pennsylvania.
In other words: The TMLC is the group that personally destroyed the Intelligent Design movement. Let us see then what they can do for Sally Kern.
…Hm. I have a comment I tried to post here twice but it does not seem to be appearing.
Thomas More Law Center, isn’t this the same group that tried to get “intelligent design” into the Indiana(I think) school system? PBS did a great piece on this.
In fact, exactly them. The TMLC provided the defense for the school district in the Dover, Pennslyvania intelligent design case.
More than that, though. The TMLC is responsible for that case existing in the first place. The TMLC were the ones that advised the school board to go ahead with the policy before they first drafted it, the ones who recommended Of Pandas and People– the creationist “textbook” at issue in the Dover case– in the first place (see first google result for ‘kitzmiller buckingham of pandas and people’). They did this at a time when the actual Intelligent Design movement (which was only ever just a think tank in Seattle) was advising against attempting to target school boards or take steps that could lead to ID being judged in a courtroom, because of the risks that would entail. But the TMLC went ahead anyway. And the TMLC lost.
And that loss was much, much, much worse for Intelligent Design than if the lawsuit had never occurred– the guys in Seattle were right to be concerned about the risks. The lawsuit laid bare the vacuity and deceit at the heart of Intelligent Design, in an environment where the ID side could not control the presentation and could not run away from uncomfortable issues once they were raised. The final decision was as bad for ID as it could have possibly been, ruling not only that ID was unconstitutional for use in public schools but that ID was not science, was religion, and was a relabeling of Creation Science. The decision wasn’t binding out of its immediate jurisdiction, but was clearly composed and strongly supported enough that no court (or media outlet) could have realistically viewed ID any differently afterward.
The ID movement had spent fifteen years building up a modicum of pseudo-respectability, convincing media outlets to report, or at least report “both sides of”, a series of constructed illusions about ID being not just rebranded creationism but some kind of serious intellectual movement with new arguments concerning evolution. After fifteen years of this, creationism had garnered more power and public credulity than it had in decades. And then as soon as that Dover ruling came out that all evaporated. The media stopped taking ID’s illusions seriously, all ID’s legal avenues were permanently shut off, and even within the creationist movement ID lost its currency (meaning here both political sway and funding lines) as supporters and right-wing pundits went back to the young-earth creationism they’d have preferred all along. (Even “Expelled”, Ben Stein’s “documentary” next month which may constitute an attempt to start a new wave of the creationist movement, appears to essentially abandon the strategy the Intelligent Design movement had based itself on from 1989-2005, as all indications I’ve seen from advance press is that the movie openly identifies the Designer as God.)
A series of further defeats followed over the year after Dover for which Dover set the tone, and the ID movement has not since recovered even a fraction of what they had in 2005. And it all started with the TMLC’s decision to get the ball rolling in Pennsylvania.
In other words: The TMLC is the group that personally destroyed the Intelligent Design movement. Let us see then what they can do for Sally Kern.
Happened to me last week, mcc. Give it an hour. (I know.)
Right, because it’s the homophobes who are being targeted with physical attacks. And how did they know, anyway? Was he wearing a sign?“How is providing Rep. Kern with a worldwide audience for her views via YouTube an attempt to curtail her free speech?”
Perhaps she is concerned that if people get to see her speeches for FREE via the YouTubes they won’t pay for the special Director’s Cut DVD set she’ll be selling on the 700 Club with Smitin’ Pat Robertson.
Please keep the heat on Sally Kern and her small-minded diatribes.
As a native Oklahoma, I am thoroughly disgusted with Sally Kern and her claims. She has been an embarrassment to many Oklahomans, from both sides of the aisles.
All good Christianists want to be punished for their beleefs. Since matrydom is not practiced in the US or Europe, playing victim is all they have.
In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they’re good Christians.
In fact, I believe being punished for their beliefs is how they know they’re good Christians.
By their fruits ye shall know them…um, never mind.
What has happened to good ole Ann Arbor, MI? It used to be the bastion of “liberal eeeevil” in Michigan (what with the University there and all). How in the world can a bible-beating conservative law firm get any business in that town, unless it’s REALLY changed since I left there?
On topic, this story just keeps getting stranger by the day. This woman is truly off her rocker…or maybe she is just starved for attention of ANY kind.
…aaargh, there’s my missing comment. Three times. I am sorry about that
Ann Arbor is liberalish, but go a couple dozen miles west and you’ll find the Pentecost Highway and the Jesus Will Be Back Soon billboards and the fundie summer resort towns. They’re lurking just over the horizon.
I assume that this is his comeback to “The Peter?” Does he not understand what “The Peter” refers to?
Uh, no.
Signed,
The Pam
http://www.article8.org/docs/gay_strategies/after_the_ball.htm
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“play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s”
We women need to get on this playbook thing. So far, we only have an agenda, and while some agree with me that it is pink and scented, the actual CONTENT of the agenda is still up in the air.
Can anyone fill me in on the “radical homosexual playbook”?”
Actually, this one is not completely made up out of their fevered brains. Just fanned into flames by them.
Madsen and Kirk wrote a book entitled “After the Ball” which included, among other things, a fairly tame discussion of how to use what are more or less standard marketing techniques to improve gay visibility and people’s attitudes.
This is, of course, proof that all gay people are part of a giant conspiracy, especially when they can point to things on the list and show that they are being done - so obviously we’re following the playbook BECAUSE it is a playbook promulgated by the leaders of TEH GAY.
Since a lot of the points in the plan are things that boil down to “come out to everyone you can” “Make sure that straight people see gay people doing normal everyday things instead of just scary over-the-top sex things” “get large corporations to advertise to the gay community and sponsor community events” — in short, commonsense things that were pretty much guaranteed to come about.
This isn’t to minimize their vision, nor the courage of the people who broke ground getting it started. Just that these things are mostly community and grass roots (and just people living their lives) things that don’t require a massive gay conspiracy to have happen.
Of course, since the Christianist takeover of school boards, etc did come about precisely as the result of the sort of coordinated effort they accuse us of, most of their fears are pretty solid projection.
“Hey, they’re as organized as us, they’re winning, and they get to have sex!”
Oh, Benjamin. Didn’t you hear? The psychologists are in on it, too. Good Christians don’t support psychology or psychiatry. That’s the Devil’s tool. It’s all a part of the big bad Gay Agenda. Why, they share the same first letters as psychics for a REASON, dontca know. Growing up, I remember our preacher making jokes about people going to the therapists and trying to “find” themselves. “You want to find yourself?” he’d ask. “You want to know where you are?” His voice quiet and thoughtful, the congregation on the edge of their pews. “I’ll tell you where you are!” he’d say in a booming voice, breaking the silence. “You’re in GOD’S HOUSE NOW!” And everyone would hoop and holler because ain’t that the truth, God bless him, those people just need to find the Good Lord.
If you’ve got a problem, you pray and pray and pray really hard and if that doesn’t work, maybe you can talk to the pastor (or the pastor’s wife, if you’re a woman — no appearance of impropriety allowed) and well, he’ll just tell you to keep praying really hard and if it doesn’t change, well, then you’re just not trying hard enough is all.
Perhaps it was the feather boa that gave him away.
Slactivist’s latest commentary on the ever awful Left Behind series talks about Martr Syndrome. Because seriously, things are WAY MORE exciting if you’re getting persecuted. Until…you know… you’re ACTUALLY being persecuted and oppressed. But I think it’s safe to say that most white American Christians will never be persecuted in America, merely called out on their privilege and have their sensibilities offended.
Wait, how is condom use for anal or oral sex any different than for plain old missionary position penis-in-vagina sex? What with the not having sex with men I guess I missed this subtlety.
But honestly, seeing that big ole list of progress on accepting everyone’s family makes me so happy, even if it is being used by someone trying to erode that progress.
That’s just the cover. She just wants to have witnesses if the activists give the “teh gay”
She’ll probably have a 2 gal bottle of Purell, a can of lysol and a box of latex gloves in her brief case for the meeting.
I’m not sure, but she maybe wearing a mask as well.