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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: NY Gov Eliot Spitzer admits connection to prostitution ring</title>
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		<title>by: Sheelzebub</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498962</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Making other arrangements? Watching Midnight Cowboy? Outcompeted by the guys who give it away for free? This assertion that there’s no male prostitution for straight women simply can’t be comprehended.&lt;/i&gt;

Do try to comprehend it.  Sure, guys give it away for free.  So do women--and men who have no trouble getting laid still use prostitutes.  A woman who wants to pick up some random guy for sex has safety considerations.  She doesn't know if he's Ted freaking Bundy, if he will force her to do something she doesn't want to do, or if he'll slip her a roofie and invite a friend to join him.  If she pays for it, it can be a lot safer--he'll do what she wants (and it will be about &lt;i&gt;her&lt;/i&gt;).  She will be in far less danger physically than doing the random guy pickup crapshoot.

Men who have NO trouble at all getting laid use prostitutes.  The market analogy doesn't hold up, here.  Given the safety considerations of a lot of women, there's actually a likely &lt;i&gt;bigger&lt;/i&gt; market for male prostitutes who service women.  

Let's not pretend that it's all about who's willing to put out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Making other arrangements? Watching Midnight Cowboy? Outcompeted by the guys who give it away for free? This assertion that there’s no male prostitution for straight women simply can’t be comprehended.</i></p>
	<p>Do try to comprehend it.  Sure, guys give it away for free.  So do women&#8211;and men who have no trouble getting laid still use prostitutes.  A woman who wants to pick up some random guy for sex has safety considerations.  She doesn&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s Ted freaking Bundy, if he will force her to do something she doesn&#8217;t want to do, or if he&#8217;ll slip her a roofie and invite a friend to join him.  If she pays for it, it can be a lot safer&#8211;he&#8217;ll do what she wants (and it will be about <i>her</i>).  She will be in far less danger physically than doing the random guy pickup crapshoot.</p>
	<p>Men who have NO trouble at all getting laid use prostitutes.  The market analogy doesn&#8217;t hold up, here.  Given the safety considerations of a lot of women, there&#8217;s actually a likely <i>bigger</i> market for male prostitutes who service women.  </p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s not pretend that it&#8217;s all about who&#8217;s willing to put out.
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		<title>by: Anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498928</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Why would they, when the sex workers are operating extra-legally? That’s been the point all along. How did you manage to miss it? &quot;

And making it legal will sometime magically end this?  God, you are a dumbass.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Why would they, when the sex workers are operating extra-legally? That’s been the point all along. How did you manage to miss it? &#8221;</p>
	<p>And making it legal will sometime magically end this?  God, you are a dumbass.
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		<title>by: Anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498927</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498927</guid>
					<description>&quot;You’re a liar, anony. That’s precisely what you’re saying when you support the legal prohibition on prostitution.&quot;

Since you're clearly a total moron, lets repeat this again to see if it sinks through your thick skull.

I have 15 years+ experience working with prostitutes, porn performers, strippers, etc.  I support what they themselves have consistently told me they feel would protect and support them the best.  Since they actually do it - unlike you who argue it academically from a privilege position - I think they know best.

If that doesn't work out for johns, oh well. I really couldn't care less about them. 


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&quot;’m not surprised you don’t recognize ironic humor. &quot;

:)  Did you really think anyone is going to fall for that transparently false excuse?

&quot;That’s ironic humor, too, babe. So was that.&quot;

More sexist language and now a pathetic and dishonest excuse for using it.    Pathetic and sad.

Of course I understood the point you were trying to make.  I'm simply not going to fall for logical fallacies.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;You’re a liar, anony. That’s precisely what you’re saying when you support the legal prohibition on prostitution.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Since you&#8217;re clearly a total moron, lets repeat this again to see if it sinks through your thick skull.</p>
	<p>I have 15 years+ experience working with prostitutes, porn performers, strippers, etc.  I support what they themselves have consistently told me they feel would protect and support them the best.  Since they actually do it - unlike you who argue it academically from a privilege position - I think they know best.</p>
	<p>If that doesn&#8217;t work out for johns, oh well. I really couldn&#8217;t care less about them. </p>
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	<p>&#8220;’m not surprised you don’t recognize ironic humor. &#8221;</p>
	<p>:)  Did you really think anyone is going to fall for that transparently false excuse?</p>
	<p>&#8220;That’s ironic humor, too, babe. So was that.&#8221;</p>
	<p>More sexist language and now a pathetic and dishonest excuse for using it.    Pathetic and sad.</p>
	<p>Of course I understood the point you were trying to make.  I&#8217;m simply not going to fall for logical fallacies.
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		<title>by: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498922</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498922</guid>
					<description>Anony,  excellent use of the term &quot;fee-fees&quot;.  Two thumbs up.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Anony,  excellent use of the term &#8220;fee-fees&#8221;.  Two thumbs up.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Chet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498908</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;All of these male prostitutes who cater to women? Where are they exactly?&lt;/i&gt;

Making other arrangements? Watching &lt;i&gt;Midnight Cowboy&lt;/i&gt;? Outcompeted by the guys who give it away for free? This assertion that there's no male prostitution for straight women simply can't be comprehended.

&lt;i&gt;Where did I do this? I have said nothing of the kind.&lt;/i&gt;

You're a liar, anony. That's precisely what you're saying when you support the legal prohibition on prostitution.

&lt;i&gt;Once again, it would require you to actually speak to women and listen to what they say, but over the course of 15 years that I’ve worked with sex workers, the constant narrative is that the clients and the cheerleaders from the sidelines are hardly treating them well.&lt;/i&gt;

Why would they, when the sex workers are operating extra-legally? That's been the point all along. How did you manage to miss it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>All of these male prostitutes who cater to women? Where are they exactly?</i></p>
	<p>Making other arrangements? Watching <i>Midnight Cowboy</i>? Outcompeted by the guys who give it away for free? This assertion that there&#8217;s no male prostitution for straight women simply can&#8217;t be comprehended.</p>
	<p><i>Where did I do this? I have said nothing of the kind.</i></p>
	<p>You&#8217;re a liar, anony. That&#8217;s precisely what you&#8217;re saying when you support the legal prohibition on prostitution.</p>
	<p><i>Once again, it would require you to actually speak to women and listen to what they say, but over the course of 15 years that I’ve worked with sex workers, the constant narrative is that the clients and the cheerleaders from the sidelines are hardly treating them well.</i></p>
	<p>Why would they, when the sex workers are operating extra-legally? That&#8217;s been the point all along. How did you manage to miss it?
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		<title>by: SixtiesLiberal</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498897</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498897</guid>
					<description>I'm not surprised you don't recognize ironic humor.  

Nor am i surprised that you see my point on electoral politics a non sequitor.  It is exactly the point. Your penchant for demonizing and lying puts off people who would otherwise support feminist proposals..  

But I'm still supportive of most of the feminist goals and viewpoints, even if you're around, too.  

Smooch.  [That's ironic humor, too, babe.  So was that.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m not surprised you don&#8217;t recognize ironic humor.  </p>
	<p>Nor am i surprised that you see my point on electoral politics a non sequitor.  It is exactly the point. Your penchant for demonizing and lying puts off people who would otherwise support feminist proposals..  </p>
	<p>But I&#8217;m still supportive of most of the feminist goals and viewpoints, even if you&#8217;re around, too.  </p>
	<p>Smooch.  [That&#8217;s ironic humor, too, babe.  So was that.]
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		<title>by: Anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498883</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;you reveal yourself more each time you post&quot;

As do you.

See below:

&quot; tootsie,&quot;

Sexist slur.  

&quot;Unfortunately it is your ilk that makes folk much more middle of the road than I hesitate to vote for Clinton or Obama.&quot;

And a non-sequitir.

Stunning, really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;you reveal yourself more each time you post&#8221;</p>
	<p>As do you.</p>
	<p>See below:</p>
	<p>&#8221; tootsie,&#8221;</p>
	<p>Sexist slur.  </p>
	<p>&#8220;Unfortunately it is your ilk that makes folk much more middle of the road than I hesitate to vote for Clinton or Obama.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And a non-sequitir.</p>
	<p>Stunning, really.
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		<title>by: SixtiesLiberal</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498881</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not going anywhere, tootsie, unless the board owners tell me to buzz off..  I won't even tell you to shut up.  As I said at #203 you reveal yourself more each time you post.   Unfortunately it is your ilk that makes folk much more middle of the road than I hesitate to vote for Clinton or Obama.  They might like the candidates and their programs OK, but those candidates might also bring the lunatic left like you in with them.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Not going anywhere, tootsie, unless the board owners tell me to buzz off..  I won&#8217;t even tell you to shut up.  As I said at #203 you reveal yourself more each time you post.   Unfortunately it is your ilk that makes folk much more middle of the road than I hesitate to vote for Clinton or Obama.  They might like the candidates and their programs OK, but those candidates might also bring the lunatic left like you in with them.
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		<title>by: Anony</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498873</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;You and Anony are certainly not the ones equipped to do it&quot;

Translation:  If you don't coddle my fee-fees I'm taking my toys and going home.

Good riddance, fraud.

And Kathleen - all women who stand up for sex workers (themselves included, of course) and against pig johns rock.  So you rock too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;You and Anony are certainly not the ones equipped to do it&#8221;</p>
	<p>Translation:  If you don&#8217;t coddle my fee-fees I&#8217;m taking my toys and going home.</p>
	<p>Good riddance, fraud.</p>
	<p>And Kathleen - all women who stand up for sex workers (themselves included, of course) and against pig johns rock.  So you rock too.
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		<title>by: SixtiesLiberal</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/10/breaking-ny-gov-eliot-spitzer-admits-connection-to-prostitution-ring/#comment-498825</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kathleen,

You are engaging in the same tactic there, in a milder form, as Anony.  You mischaracterize what I'm saying by exaggerating it and assume I'm the evil &quot;sexist clinging to privilege&quot;.  If it makes you feel better, go ahead, don't be bothered by reality.

The extremes of those behaviors are called &quot;demonizing&quot; and &quot;lying&quot;.  If you think those tactics are helpful, go right ahead. There are quite a lot of people who are moderate thinking who can be persuaded to support policy issues beneficial to feminism.  You and Anony are certainly not the ones equipped to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Kathleen,</p>
	<p>You are engaging in the same tactic there, in a milder form, as Anony.  You mischaracterize what I&#8217;m saying by exaggerating it and assume I&#8217;m the evil &#8220;sexist clinging to privilege&#8221;.  If it makes you feel better, go ahead, don&#8217;t be bothered by reality.</p>
	<p>The extremes of those behaviors are called &#8220;demonizing&#8221; and &#8220;lying&#8221;.  If you think those tactics are helpful, go right ahead. There are quite a lot of people who are moderate thinking who can be persuaded to support policy issues beneficial to feminism.  You and Anony are certainly not the ones equipped to do it.
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