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		<title>by: Zoe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498583</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Health is absolutely a valid issue.  The job of President isn't just any job, you can't negotiate flex time or get a colleague to fill in for you at short notice.  It is absolutely one of the most stressful, sleep-deprived, and draining jobs that there is.  Just a ridiculous amount of responsibility and strain.  I'm young and in perfect health, and I know I'd crack in a week.

Look at before and after pictures of Presidents.  Clinton and W. both aged far more than 8 years during their time in office.

It's hard enough to deal with the job when you're young and vital.  The prospect of health issues like heart problems and cancer - which require time and energy to deal with - are a serious concern for anyone who wants this all-consuming job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Health is absolutely a valid issue.  The job of President isn&#8217;t just any job, you can&#8217;t negotiate flex time or get a colleague to fill in for you at short notice.  It is absolutely one of the most stressful, sleep-deprived, and draining jobs that there is.  Just a ridiculous amount of responsibility and strain.  I&#8217;m young and in perfect health, and I know I&#8217;d crack in a week.</p>
	<p>Look at before and after pictures of Presidents.  Clinton and W. both aged far more than 8 years during their time in office.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s hard enough to deal with the job when you&#8217;re young and vital.  The prospect of health issues like heart problems and cancer - which require time and energy to deal with - are a serious concern for anyone who wants this all-consuming job.
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		<title>by: has_te</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498350</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498350</guid>
					<description>To actually develop a melanoma at all from solar over-exposures ...sun damage... forcefully implies that the entire involved genomic is or has been weakened.

&lt;blockquote&gt;most people just &lt;b&gt;don't&lt;/b&gt; devolve into melanoma&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To have multiple recurrences goes to to a substantially
impaired immune system beyond that simply dermatological.
[This is fairly new information on this &lt;i&gt;particular&lt;/i&gt; malignancy.]

So this should have legs.

I guess especially to the choice for VP? 
If these implications bear out one really must have (demand) disclosure.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To actually develop a melanoma at all from solar over-exposures &#8230;sun damage&#8230; forcefully implies that the entire involved genomic is or has been weakened.</p>
	<blockquote><p>most people just <b>don&#8217;t</b> devolve into melanoma</p></blockquote>
	<p>To have multiple recurrences goes to to a substantially<br />
impaired immune system beyond that simply dermatological.<br />
[This is fairly new information on this <i>particular</i> malignancy.]</p>
	<p>So this should have legs.</p>
	<p>I guess especially to the choice for VP?<br />
If these implications bear out one really must have (demand) disclosure.
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		<title>by: Original Lee, Demigoddess of Apple Strudel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498311</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The thing about melanomas is that they are very sneaky about metastasizing.  My aunt died last year from liver cancer that probably metastasized from a melanoma she had had excised 10 years before, and now my uncle has a huge mass in his lung and spinal cancer 5 years after his melanoma surgery.  The lung stuff especially can go very very fast - my uncle had an X-ray in August that was clear, but when he went in last month for another, they found a mass.

I think in McCain's case, since he's a vet and a Senator and has a past history of melanoma, that his situation is being tracked very closely, and I would expect that he had a very thorough checkup before he entered the race.  If I were voting Republican in the fall, I would want the medical records released with sufficient time to be able to formulate a backup plan in case McCain's health tanks before the election (due to the melanoma history), but I would worry more about his known eccentricities than his age.

BTW, does anyone remember how long after the election Dukakis started having health problems?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The thing about melanomas is that they are very sneaky about metastasizing.  My aunt died last year from liver cancer that probably metastasized from a melanoma she had had excised 10 years before, and now my uncle has a huge mass in his lung and spinal cancer 5 years after his melanoma surgery.  The lung stuff especially can go very very fast - my uncle had an X-ray in August that was clear, but when he went in last month for another, they found a mass.</p>
	<p>I think in McCain&#8217;s case, since he&#8217;s a vet and a Senator and has a past history of melanoma, that his situation is being tracked very closely, and I would expect that he had a very thorough checkup before he entered the race.  If I were voting Republican in the fall, I would want the medical records released with sufficient time to be able to formulate a backup plan in case McCain&#8217;s health tanks before the election (due to the melanoma history), but I would worry more about his known eccentricities than his age.</p>
	<p>BTW, does anyone remember how long after the election Dukakis started having health problems?
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		<title>by: hbsweet, empress of ice cream</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498105</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-498105</guid>
					<description>Um, soopermouse:

I think you mean &quot;hyena.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Um, soopermouse:</p>
	<p>I think you mean &#8220;hyena.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497957</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497957</guid>
					<description>Re chemo brain: Second ailurophile's comments. However, chemo doesn't do crap in melanoma so McCain wouldn't be on it anyway. At least, not if the issue were recurrent melanoma. And not as the first choice of treatment. What he might be put on is interferon or interleukin-2. Unfortunately, these drugs (cytokines) tend to make people depressed. Maybe not the best thing in the world for the head of state of the US.

That all aside, it's quite probable that he'd make it through 4, possibly 8 years without real difficulty. The melanoma probably won't recur and he's otherwise healthy. Early 70s isn't that old anymore. I wouldn't not vote for him because of his health. I wouldn't vote for him because of his policies and I would certainly urge him (if he asked me) to pick his VP with care, but I haven't yet seen any health issues that make his candidacy unreasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Re chemo brain: Second ailurophile&#8217;s comments. However, chemo doesn&#8217;t do crap in melanoma so McCain wouldn&#8217;t be on it anyway. At least, not if the issue were recurrent melanoma. And not as the first choice of treatment. What he might be put on is interferon or interleukin-2. Unfortunately, these drugs (cytokines) tend to make people depressed. Maybe not the best thing in the world for the head of state of the US.</p>
	<p>That all aside, it&#8217;s quite probable that he&#8217;d make it through 4, possibly 8 years without real difficulty. The melanoma probably won&#8217;t recur and he&#8217;s otherwise healthy. Early 70s isn&#8217;t that old anymore. I wouldn&#8217;t not vote for him because of his health. I wouldn&#8217;t vote for him because of his policies and I would certainly urge him (if he asked me) to pick his VP with care, but I haven&#8217;t yet seen any health issues that make his candidacy unreasonable.
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		<title>by: Ailurophile</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497941</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>(Disclaimer: I'm another Stage II breast cancer survivor, and I went through chemo and the whole bit)

Seconding calling &quot;bunnies&quot; on Soopermouse. This is not the first time s/he has concern-trolled hir little heart out in a Pandagon thread.

And, might I add, I find the &quot;chemo-brain&quot; comment incredibly offensive. I've had chemo brain. It never caused me to do anything particularly destructive other than miss a few appointments. Mostly chemo-brain makes you want to sleep, or watch DVD's; stuff a President oughtn't to be doing all day, but certainly not NUKES! BOOGA-BOOGA!

Hopefully skirting ableism, being President of the United States is a bit different than being President of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe, Inc. or even a state governor or House representative. Health matters, if nothing else because a President who dies in office is succeeded by his/her VP. It matters to me if a candidate's health is shaky; statistically, a cancer survivor in his 70's &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; more likely to die than someone who has never had cancer and is in his 40's.

Finally, yes, why was Elizabeth Edwards' cancer such an issue whereas John McCain's is not? Mrs. Edwards wasn't even running for POTUS - her &lt;i&gt;husband&lt;/i&gt; was. *eyeroll*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>(Disclaimer: I&#8217;m another Stage II breast cancer survivor, and I went through chemo and the whole bit)</p>
	<p>Seconding calling &#8220;bunnies&#8221; on Soopermouse. This is not the first time s/he has concern-trolled hir little heart out in a Pandagon thread.</p>
	<p>And, might I add, I find the &#8220;chemo-brain&#8221; comment incredibly offensive. I&#8217;ve had chemo brain. It never caused me to do anything particularly destructive other than miss a few appointments. Mostly chemo-brain makes you want to sleep, or watch DVD&#8217;s; stuff a President oughtn&#8217;t to be doing all day, but certainly not NUKES! BOOGA-BOOGA!</p>
	<p>Hopefully skirting ableism, being President of the United States is a bit different than being President of Dewey, Cheatham and Howe, Inc. or even a state governor or House representative. Health matters, if nothing else because a President who dies in office is succeeded by his/her VP. It matters to me if a candidate&#8217;s health is shaky; statistically, a cancer survivor in his 70&#8217;s <i>is</i> more likely to die than someone who has never had cancer and is in his 40&#8217;s.</p>
	<p>Finally, yes, why was Elizabeth Edwards&#8217; cancer such an issue whereas John McCain&#8217;s is not? Mrs. Edwards wasn&#8217;t even running for POTUS - her <i>husband</i> was. *eyeroll*
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		<title>by: kac90b</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497920</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497920</guid>
					<description>I say we call &quot;shenanigans&quot; or 'bunnies&quot; on poopermoose.

Anybody that cannot tell the difference in importance between the age/health of a presidential candidate and the sex/color of a presidential candidate, well.... just too stupid to vote.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I say we call &#8220;shenanigans&#8221; or &#8216;bunnies&#8221; on poopermoose.</p>
	<p>Anybody that cannot tell the difference in importance between the age/health of a presidential candidate and the sex/color of a presidential candidate, well&#8230;. just too stupid to vote.</p>
	<p>IMHO.
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		<title>by: pde</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497907</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>While I think that we can all admit that there's a risk that any person in this world can go into quickly declining health over the next four years, it's also pretty damned obvious that an older person, in general, tends to have a higher risk of going into quickly declining health than a younger person. And, and older person who has already had various health concerns, probably even at higher risk than a person of the same age who has not.

My grandpa, who had access to all the health care that money could buy and very good long-term health (and, very good &quot;genetic&quot; health as well--parents who lived long lives with few medical problems) went from an intelligent, energetic man to a man who nobody would want holding any political office in less than 4 years during his 70s (recently).  It wasn't even just 1 issue, but a collection of sudden-onset health issues that tore him apart both mentally and physically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>While I think that we can all admit that there&#8217;s a risk that any person in this world can go into quickly declining health over the next four years, it&#8217;s also pretty damned obvious that an older person, in general, tends to have a higher risk of going into quickly declining health than a younger person. And, and older person who has already had various health concerns, probably even at higher risk than a person of the same age who has not.</p>
	<p>My grandpa, who had access to all the health care that money could buy and very good long-term health (and, very good &#8220;genetic&#8221; health as well&#8211;parents who lived long lives with few medical problems) went from an intelligent, energetic man to a man who nobody would want holding any political office in less than 4 years during his 70s (recently).  It wasn&#8217;t even just 1 issue, but a collection of sudden-onset health issues that tore him apart both mentally and physically.
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		<title>by: Ms Kate</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497905</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Other than that, yeah. Concern troll. “Old people with cancer die more frequently than younger people without cancer” is not a controversial statement.&lt;/i&gt;

Having worked extensively with orthopedic oncology records, it isn't a terribly accurate statement either.  

That's because many neoplasms are age specific and NOT older-age specific.  Osteosarcoma is a disease of some kids, lots of teens, and a few older people (often secondary to radiation treatment).

Chondrosarcoma is largely a disease of mid-life.  The few elders with latent benign lesions which ultimately undergo sarcomatous transformations are generally low-grade cases and have a much higher survival rate than the mid-life emergent cases.

Summary statement: age-related mortality of patients living with cancer is strongly dependent on the type of primary neoplasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Other than that, yeah. Concern troll. “Old people with cancer die more frequently than younger people without cancer” is not a controversial statement.</i></p>
	<p>Having worked extensively with orthopedic oncology records, it isn&#8217;t a terribly accurate statement either.  </p>
	<p>That&#8217;s because many neoplasms are age specific and NOT older-age specific.  Osteosarcoma is a disease of some kids, lots of teens, and a few older people (often secondary to radiation treatment).</p>
	<p>Chondrosarcoma is largely a disease of mid-life.  The few elders with latent benign lesions which ultimately undergo sarcomatous transformations are generally low-grade cases and have a much higher survival rate than the mid-life emergent cases.</p>
	<p>Summary statement: age-related mortality of patients living with cancer is strongly dependent on the type of primary neoplasm.
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		<title>by: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/09/nyt-reports-on-mccains-melanoma/#comment-497900</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m a five year post-treatment cancer survivor and I’m considered cured. I imagine, he’s in a similar situation.&lt;/i&gt;

With almost any other cancer he would be. But melanoma has  a nasty way of recurring up to 20 years after the primary melanoma occurs. So, unfortunately, it may still be relevant. Assuming he hasn't had any recurrences since 2000 (which we don't know, since he hasn't released his records), his chances are relatively good, but I also hope that he picks a VP based on who he thinks would be good at running the country if he dies, not on who he thinks will help him get elected. But I would say that even if he were a perfectly healthy 35 year old: being president is a dangerous job.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’m a five year post-treatment cancer survivor and I’m considered cured. I imagine, he’s in a similar situation.</i></p>
	<p>With almost any other cancer he would be. But melanoma has  a nasty way of recurring up to 20 years after the primary melanoma occurs. So, unfortunately, it may still be relevant. Assuming he hasn&#8217;t had any recurrences since 2000 (which we don&#8217;t know, since he hasn&#8217;t released his records), his chances are relatively good, but I also hope that he picks a VP based on who he thinks would be good at running the country if he dies, not on who he thinks will help him get elected. But I would say that even if he were a perfectly healthy 35 year old: being president is a dangerous job.
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