Comments on: On pins and complex racist rumor-mongering http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:27:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: Antigone http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496711 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:45:07 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496711 It works for Clinton too, though. I got into a disagreement with someone this weekend because I said it was sexist to call Clinton "Catty". He said "I can take that way if I want to, but it's really silly because that's not what he meant and he has TOO called men catty". I don't ever know how to argue with this stuff, because it involves a lot of talk about the nature of language, and it being a social product, so individual intention doesn't mean as much as general perception, but then people glaze over and say I'm being pendantic. It works for Clinton too, though. I got into a disagreement with someone this weekend because I said it was sexist to call Clinton “Catty”. He said “I can take that way if I want to, but it’s really silly because that’s not what he meant and he has TOO called men catty”. I don’t ever know how to argue with this stuff, because it involves a lot of talk about the nature of language, and it being a social product, so individual intention doesn’t mean as much as general perception, but then people glaze over and say I’m being pendantic.

]]> by: DivergentDana http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496690 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:34:32 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496690 "i really really wish that Obama DID turn out to be a muslim." This statement SO reminds me of "In and Out." Yeah, I'm firmly in the "Muslim president, who cares?" camp. Does the party really want to be beholden to and garner the votes of people who think that Muslims are (a) inherently unpatriotic (b) universally fundamentalist theocrats who have a Borg-like collective aspiration to go about breakin' into ur democracy, steelin ur country? Instead of tripping over ourselves for their patronage at the expense of Muslim Democrats feeling unwelcome to ascend the political ranks if they feel so inclined because they don't fit some ridiculous "All-American" poster child image, shouldn't those types be the ones that get the engraved card inviting them to "Please, get off of our side"? “i really really wish that Obama DID turn out to be a muslim.”

This statement SO reminds me of “In and Out.”

Yeah, I’m firmly in the “Muslim president, who cares?” camp. Does the party really want to be beholden to and garner the votes of people who think that Muslims are

(a) inherently unpatriotic

(b) universally fundamentalist theocrats who have a Borg-like collective aspiration to go about breakin’ into ur democracy, steelin ur country?

Instead of tripping over ourselves for their patronage at the expense of Muslim Democrats feeling unwelcome to ascend the political ranks if they feel so inclined because they don’t fit some ridiculous “All-American” poster child image, shouldn’t those types be the ones that get the engraved card inviting them to “Please, get off of our side”?

]]> by: denelian http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496518 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:10:48 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496518 i really really wish that Obama DID turn out to be a muslim. then we can (maybe, a little) get over the idea that ALL muslims are just like the fuckers who attack women and tall buildings (you know, just like ALL christians are just like the fundies here who think a fetus is more important that a person...) and then we also will have jumped the "never had a non-christian" in highest office hurdle (and yes, catholics ARE TOO christian) but yeah, not gonna happen... i really really wish that Obama DID turn out to be a muslim. then we can (maybe, a little) get over the idea that ALL muslims are just like the fuckers who attack women and tall buildings (you know, just like ALL christians are just like the fundies here who think a fetus is more important that a person…)
and then we also will have jumped the “never had a non-christian” in highest office hurdle (and yes, catholics ARE TOO christian)

but yeah, not gonna happen…

]]> by: Jesurgislac http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496502 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:16:44 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496502 PixelFish, that's an <i>excellent</i> response - but it does make clear how difficult this is to do in a brief, sound-bitish comment. Good to hear your family responded positively/thoughtfully. It is rather horrific that it would be just as bad for Obama's chances of getting elected if he were to say "It's of no consequence what my religion is" than if he were to say "It's of no consequence what my sexual orientation is" in response to charges that he's gay. PixelFish, that’s an excellent response - but it does make clear how difficult this is to do in a brief, sound-bitish comment. Good to hear your family responded positively/thoughtfully.

It is rather horrific that it would be just as bad for Obama’s chances of getting elected if he were to say “It’s of no consequence what my religion is” than if he were to say “It’s of no consequence what my sexual orientation is” in response to charges that he’s gay.

]]> by: the15th http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496437 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:27:09 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496437 I prefer the insinuations (or as Richard Daley would call them, "the insinuendos.") Or rather, I think that a lot of the blatant sexist remarks against Hillary also double as insinuations against all women. "Pimping out" is nasty language, so someone might get suspended over that, but, hey, some women really ARE overemotional, cold, calculating, unlikable bitches with cackling laughs, and calling them out on it doesn't mean it's a stereotype about ALL women or anything. Of course, Rush's monkey thing shows that some of the racists aren't even bothering with the subtlety of insinuations. I prefer the insinuations (or as Richard Daley would call them, “the insinuendos.”) Or rather, I think that a lot of the blatant sexist remarks against Hillary also double as insinuations against all women. “Pimping out” is nasty language, so someone might get suspended over that, but, hey, some women really ARE overemotional, cold, calculating, unlikable bitches with cackling laughs, and calling them out on it doesn’t mean it’s a stereotype about ALL women or anything.

Of course, Rush’s monkey thing shows that some of the racists aren’t even bothering with the subtlety of insinuations.

]]> by: Incertus Brian, Nacho Daddy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496412 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:05:19 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496412 <blockquote>Republicans have accused Democrats of disloyalty since the post-Civil War era. Why should they stop now?</blockquote> To be fair, for a long chunk of that period, it was a reasonable claim.

Republicans have accused Democrats of disloyalty since the post-Civil War era. Why should they stop now?

To be fair, for a long chunk of that period, it was a reasonable claim.

]]> by: togolosh http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496404 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:37:27 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496404 A relevant quote that I've seen attributed to various people: "It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag." I think the original is due to F. M. Hubbard, but can't find a reliable source. A relevant quote that I’ve seen attributed to various people: “It seems like the less a statesman amounts to, the more he loves the flag.”

I think the original is due to F. M. Hubbard, but can’t find a reliable source.

]]> by: Bitter Scribe http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496379 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:59:22 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496379 Republicans have accused Democrats of disloyalty since the post-Civil War era. Why should they stop now? Republicans have accused Democrats of disloyalty since the post-Civil War era. Why should they stop now?

]]> by: shah8 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496373 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:45:27 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496373 <b>loneoak</b>... That's the point... It's a whispering campaign. Obama can't exactly use overt agression or shaming in the manner of "go fuck yourselves." loneoak…

That’s the point…

It’s a whispering campaign. Obama can’t exactly use overt agression or shaming in the manner of “go fuck yourselves.”

]]> by: gnaddrig http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496369 Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:43:23 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/04/6839/#comment-496369 <i>It’s gonna be a very long time ’til November…</i> Yes, but the <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,539212,00.html" rel="nofollow">countdown is on</a>. It’s gonna be a very long time ’til November…
Yes, but the countdown is on.

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