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	<title>Comments on: McCain&#8217;s other fundie bedmate, John Hagee</title>
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		<title>by: rationalrevolution</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-501438</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-501438</guid>
					<description>To be fair, the Quran does in fact specifically state that all Christians, Jews and other non Muslims are to be killed.

&quot;2:193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)&quot;

&quot;9:29: Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.&quot;

&quot;47:4 So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,&quot;

Still, the main point is that Conservatives have long courted and still court religious support from people with much more radical vies than Reverend Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, the Quran does in fact specifically state that all Christians, Jews and other non Muslims are to be killed.</p>
	<p>&#8220;2:193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;9:29: Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;47:4 So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah&#8217;s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah&#8217;s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,&#8221;</p>
	<p>Still, the main point is that Conservatives have long courted and still court religious support from people with much more radical vies than Reverend Wright.
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		<title>by: rationalrevolution</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-501437</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-501437</guid>
					<description>To be fair, the Quran does in fact specifically state that all Christians, Jews and other non Muslims are to be killed.

&quot;2:193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)&quot;

&quot;9:29: Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.&quot;

&quot;47:4 So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,&quot;

Still, the main point is that Conservatives have long courted and still court religious support from people with much more radical vies than Reverend Wright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, the Quran does in fact specifically state that all Christians, Jews and other non Muslims are to be killed.</p>
	<p>&#8220;2:193: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;9:29: Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;47:4 So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah&#8217;s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah&#8217;s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost,&#8221;</p>
	<p>Still, the main point is that Conservatives have long courted and still court religious support from people with much more radical vies than Reverend Wright.
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		<title>by: Socraticsilence</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495883</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495883</guid>
					<description>Amazing how Obama had to basically promise to shoot Farrakhan on sight (in response to an unsolicted, non-endorsement, that happened when the canidate was 1000 miles + away) but Mccain can appear in person and trumpet, the direct endorsement of a man who is roughly Farrakhan's equivalent. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Amazing how Obama had to basically promise to shoot Farrakhan on sight (in response to an unsolicted, non-endorsement, that happened when the canidate was 1000 miles + away) but Mccain can appear in person and trumpet, the direct endorsement of a man who is roughly Farrakhan&#8217;s equivalent.
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		<title>by: Archipelago Hopper</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495716</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495716</guid>
					<description>Blue Jean, actually Bill Donahue has already been raising a stink about this:

http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1393
http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1394
http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1395

Also see Glenn Greenwald's piece about this at Salon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blue Jean, actually Bill Donahue has already been raising a stink about this:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1393' rel='nofollow'>http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1393</a><br />
<a href='http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1394' rel='nofollow'>http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1394</a><br />
<a href='http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1395' rel='nofollow'>http://www.catholicleague.com/release.php?id=1395</a></p>
	<p>Also see Glenn Greenwald&#8217;s piece about this at Salon.
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495715</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495715</guid>
					<description>The rubbish about Catholics and Nazis conspiring to produce the Holocaust  is also believed--no surprise--by Jack Chick:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp


(I think the spam filter got my original comment; forgive any double post.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The rubbish about Catholics and Nazis conspiring to produce the Holocaust  is also believed&#8211;no surprise&#8211;by Jack Chick:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp' rel='nofollow'>http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp</a></p>
	<p>(I think the spam filter got my original comment; forgive any double post.)
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		<title>by: DTG in STL</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495714</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495714</guid>
					<description>Blue Jean - 

To answer your query regarding the blowhard leader of the Catholic League (Donohue), it seems that he's none to happy about McCain's acceptance of Hagee's endorsement...

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/02/catholic-league-doesnt-heart-m.html

Here's my sincere hope... that the Catholic godbags like Donohue and the Evangelical godbags like Hagee launch a full-scale war on each other and the end result is the destruction of both groups.

The best part of this election season is learning how much these various factions of conservatism can't stand each other... and they think they're going to be able to come together to elect a 71 year old guy who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and doesn't know anything about the ecoonomy?

November can't get here soon enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blue Jean - </p>
	<p>To answer your query regarding the blowhard leader of the Catholic League (Donohue), it seems that he&#8217;s none to happy about McCain&#8217;s acceptance of Hagee&#8217;s endorsement&#8230;</p>
	<p><a href='http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/02/catholic-league-doesnt-heart-m.html' rel='nofollow'>http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/02/catholic-league-doesnt-heart-m.html</a></p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s my sincere hope&#8230; that the Catholic godbags like Donohue and the Evangelical godbags like Hagee launch a full-scale war on each other and the end result is the destruction of both groups.</p>
	<p>The best part of this election season is learning how much these various factions of conservatism can&#8217;t stand each other&#8230; and they think they&#8217;re going to be able to come together to elect a 71 year old guy who wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and doesn&#8217;t know anything about the ecoonomy?</p>
	<p>November can&#8217;t get here soon enough&#8230;
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		<title>by: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495689</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495689</guid>
					<description>Huh. The link didn't take. I meant this article: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/john_hagee_post.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Huh. The link didn&#8217;t take. I meant this article: <a href='http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/john_hagee_post.php' rel='nofollow'>http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/john_hagee_post.php</a>
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		<title>by: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495688</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495688</guid>
					<description>Oh, that guy. I remember him from the Max Blumenthal short. He's the one who says Jews are to blame for anti-Semitism.

HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER THAN FARRAKHAN, PLEASE?!

Also, Blue Jean, check out &lt;b&gt;this article&lt;/b&gt; - Donohue's already out swinging. I mean, the man does refer to the Catholic Church as The Great Whore ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, that guy. I remember him from the Max Blumenthal short. He&#8217;s the one who says Jews are to blame for anti-Semitism.</p>
	<p>HOW IS THAT ANY BETTER THAN FARRAKHAN, PLEASE?!</p>
	<p>Also, Blue Jean, check out <b>this article</b> - Donohue&#8217;s already out swinging. I mean, the man does refer to the Catholic Church as The Great Whore &#8230;
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495665</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495665</guid>
					<description>The rubbish about Catholics and Nazis conspiring to create the Holocaust is also believed by--no surprise--Jack Chick:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The rubbish about Catholics and Nazis conspiring to create the Holocaust is also believed by&#8211;no surprise&#8211;Jack Chick:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp' rel='nofollow'>http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp</a>
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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495662</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/03/01/mccains-other-fundie-bedmate-john-hagee-2/#comment-495662</guid>
					<description>Wanna bet that Bill Donohue stays silent as a stone about Hagee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wanna bet that Bill Donohue stays silent as a stone about Hagee?
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