Comments on: Reality triumphs and optimism flares http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:39:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: huron http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-502324 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:51:40 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-502324 Amanda Marcotte wrote: "If he’d been working through a print medium or on TV, the first time he was dumped by a skittish owner would be the last time he ever worked again, since it would be so financially devastating for him." That seems to be the tactic of choice: scare the conduit of the the message so anything resembling the message (no matter where it's coming from) won't get out. Thanks for all the links Amanda. BTW tobi, that dude wants an awfully lot of coin (4.5 mil???) He is feeling "damaged" because people were discussing his bad behavior, which was a matter (wait for it) of public record? Way to shut down the open exchange of ideas and information Amanda Marcotte wrote:

“If he’d been working through a print medium or on TV, the first time he was dumped by a skittish owner would be the last time he ever worked again, since it would be so financially devastating for him.”

That seems to be the tactic of choice: scare the conduit of the the message so anything resembling the message (no matter where it’s coming from) won’t get out.

Thanks for all the links Amanda. BTW tobi, that dude wants an awfully lot of coin (4.5 mil???) He is feeling “damaged” because people were discussing his bad behavior, which was a matter (wait for it) of public record? Way to shut down the open exchange of ideas and information

]]> by: tobi http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-498320 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:11:53 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-498320 There is an interesting discussion going on <a href="http://www.sott.net/" rel="nofollow">here</a> about an alternative news site being sued by a guy for discussing articles that have already been published in a newspaper and across the web. It's a real concern when freedom of speech on the internet is being threatened. Thanks for your post highlighting this very important issue. There is an interesting discussion going on here about an alternative news site being sued by a guy for discussing articles that have already been published in a newspaper and across the web. It’s a real concern when freedom of speech on the internet is being threatened.
Thanks for your post highlighting this very important issue.

]]> by: mythago http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495476 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:43:28 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495476 What state does Sara live in? Plenty of lawyers out here who might be willing to write a "fuck off with your threats" letter to the quack. What state does Sara live in? Plenty of lawyers out here who might be willing to write a “fuck off with your threats” letter to the quack.

]]> by: Nobody in Particular http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495402 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:36:55 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495402 Speaking of the <i>LA Times</i>, did anyone see <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-stein29feb29,0,3354996.column" rel="nofollow">this pile of steaming sexist shite</a> from Joel Stein? Speaking of the LA Times, did anyone see this pile of steaming sexist shite from Joel Stein?

]]> by: Helen H http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495366 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:05:21 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495366 My understanding is that in places that already suffer from internet censorship/government control (China, Iran, etc), the big thing to get around it in instant message networks. More gossip nets than news/data posting nets, but it's young yet. My understanding is that in places that already suffer from internet censorship/government control (China, Iran, etc), the big thing to get around it in instant message networks. More gossip nets than news/data posting nets, but it’s young yet.

]]> by: Astraea http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495365 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:34:05 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495365 <i>Think about how the LA Times was peddling bullshit about rape that was happily corrected by people who wouldn’t have the money to get their message out without the internet. </i> Not only the lack of money, but the lack of a group of people helping to develop the message and share information. That's been sadly lacking among reality-based people, perhaps because most of us have been complacent for a long time. I know I grew up with the naive belief that some things were just UNDERSTOOD. Like, torture is bad. Science is important. I've been shocked out of that complacency over the last several years and a large part of that is due to the internet. Without the internet a lot of us lonely progressives in conservative enclaves wouldn't have a place to find common-thinking people having intelligent discussions amongst themselves. Think about how the LA Times was peddling bullshit about rape that was happily corrected by people who wouldn’t have the money to get their message out without the internet.

Not only the lack of money, but the lack of a group of people helping to develop the message and share information. That’s been sadly lacking among reality-based people, perhaps because most of us have been complacent for a long time. I know I grew up with the naive belief that some things were just UNDERSTOOD. Like, torture is bad. Science is important. I’ve been shocked out of that complacency over the last several years and a large part of that is due to the internet. Without the internet a lot of us lonely progressives in conservative enclaves wouldn’t have a place to find common-thinking people having intelligent discussions amongst themselves.

]]> by: mnemosyne http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495342 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:31:54 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495342 <i>Holy Hell… speaking of Hagee Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism.</i> I saw that too, and dared to dream. Declaring the United States a "Christian nation" works only as long as each group thinks they're going to be the ones on top. Once the Baptists and Catholics and Mormons and other politically active sects realize the other one(s) might win and dominate everyone else, there will be blood. (Metaphorically, since I don't think we have it in us to become Northern Ireland.) Holy Hell… speaking of Hagee Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism.

I saw that too, and dared to dream. Declaring the United States a “Christian nation” works only as long as each group thinks they’re going to be the ones on top. Once the Baptists and Catholics and Mormons and other politically active sects realize the other one(s) might win and dominate everyone else, there will be blood.

(Metaphorically, since I don’t think we have it in us to become Northern Ireland.)

]]> by: togolosh http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495338 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:45:56 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495338 <i>Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism.</i> Oh pleeeeease Great Cat, let this blow up in teh em ess em. I'll totally sacrifice a big-ass pile of catnip if this gets traction with the bloviating heads. Sadly, the realities of the situation suggest that this will vanish in the ether. The upside is that the Fox Rightards dislike McCain enough that they might just be willing to give this some airtime. Fingers crossed. Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism.

Oh pleeeeease Great Cat, let this blow up in teh em ess em. I’ll totally sacrifice a big-ass pile of catnip if this gets traction with the bloviating heads.

Sadly, the realities of the situation suggest that this will vanish in the ether. The upside is that the Fox Rightards dislike McCain enough that they might just be willing to give this some airtime. Fingers crossed.

]]> by: Left_Wing_Fox http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495335 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:42:46 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495335 Holy Hell... speaking of Hagee Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism. :D http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html Time to grab some popcorn and cheer for the injuries. Holy Hell… speaking of Hagee Bill Donohue called out Hagee on his anti-papism. :D

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html

Time to grab some popcorn and cheer for the injuries.

]]> by: Rachel http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495331 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:31:56 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/28/reality-triumphs-and-optimism-flares/#comment-495331 Great article. While I think net neutrality is a good thing to support I do think that throughout history humans have managed to disseminate information despite governments efforts to stop them. If the internet gets regulated than something else will pop up because humans are pretty inventive. That being said it doesn't mean the internet is not worth fighting for--just that government regulation is rarely as successful as governments plan. Great article. While I think net neutrality is a good thing to support I do think that throughout history humans have managed to disseminate information despite governments efforts to stop them. If the internet gets regulated than something else will pop up because humans are pretty inventive. That being said it doesn’t mean the internet is not worth fighting for–just that government regulation is rarely as successful as governments plan.

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