…the guy they finally found who would tell those magnificent “military experts” in the Cheney/Bush administration (men like “It’s A Party In The TANG” Bush, and Big Dick “5-Deferments” Cheney) what they wanted to hear.

Which just makes Petraeus the military version of the same old power and glory obsessed ladder-climbing suckups that litter Corporate America. Cool!…

“…and the military experts, nearly all of whom are saying that the Surge has worked, and is continuing to work.”

eric, being a contributor to NRO or RedState does NOT make one a “military expert”. And just about any Real Military Expert whose career is no longer tied to being worshipful of Cheney/Bush says “The Surge” is not working. You need to read stuff outside the Axis Of Wingnuttia, and watch other things besides Faux News…

“Why just give up? Surrender, especially when most objective reports say we’re finally winning?”

I’m sure the Koolaid tastes great and all, but there isn’t an “objective” report that says we are winning in Iraq.

I’ll tell you what. Find an objective report (NOT produced by some crypto-wingnut “institute” or “thinktank”), give us a link, and we can discuss it futher…

“Obama’s main claim to fame is “I was against the war from the start”. Fine, that was 2003. It’s now 2008, we’re there, we’re winning…”

I suspect the word “winning” does not actually mean what you want it to, just like the word “fascist” does not mean what Jonah “Poster Child For Wingnut Welfare” thinks it does.

And being against the pointless invasion of Iraq from the beginning indicates Obama is orders of magnitude smarter than the idiotic NeoCons that bluffed Congress into supporting the worst military blunder in American history…

“…and what does he propose to do about the situation on the ground as it stands today?”

Obama proposes what anybody with any sense proposes in the wake of the Iraq War blunder - get out and cut your losses. Staying there another decade, century, or millenium will not get America any closer to “winning” than we are now - and we are no where near “winning” now…

“Right now, I put a lot more faith in McCain’s judgment than the rookie from Illinois.”

…right, because doing the same stupid things over and over while continuously telling everybody “We’re Winning!” has worked so well so far.

Let’s face it - McCain represents another 4-years of Cheney/Bush bad policy…

“You Lefties compare everything to Vietnam.”

Because some of us have seen this movie before. The lies, the manipulations, the claims that his war is about protecting America, the idiot “justifications” for continuing American deaths - the whole ball of wax.

In short, there are people in the US who knew this was bad news going in. And now that we’ve been proven correct, you robotic Right Wing Authoritarian Cultists just can’t accept that you were wrong. You were, you are, deal with it.

BTW, I was born and raised a Republican. It took many years to see the light, but I escaped and found the real world to be quite different from what I was told.

May you reach enlightenment sometime too, eric. But I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for it…

And eric, as usual you’re an idiot, you’re naive about Iraq, you’re a mindless Koolaid-drinking McCain-Knob-Polishing Tool, and you’re still a racist troll…

The only analogy I can see is that, if we just pull out as Obama wants, the country could turn into another Cambodia. Who wants that?

Unlike Obama and the far left, I trust Gen Petraeus and the military experts, nearly all of whom are saying that the Surge has worked, and is continuing to work. Why just give up? Surrender, especially when most objective reports say we’re finally winning?

Obama’s main claim to fame is “I was against the war from the start”. Fine, that was 2003. It’s now 2008, we’re there, we’re winning, and what does he propose to do about the situation on the ground as it stands today? Right now, I put a lot more faith in McCain’s judgment than the rookie from Illinois.

…because it’s impossible for animation on TV to have racial overtones? Ever heard of South Park?

“My point is Obama doesn’t have a clue what to do in Iraq, and seems bent on surrender there.”

The Reichwing NeoCons you love got us into something bad. They also don’t have any idea how to “win”, and it’s not clear that “winning” was even an aim of our curious expedition in Iraq. Other Interests Largely apply in this situation…

“Winning” is just not possible when we’ve precipitated a civil war and then inserted ourselves right into the middle of it.

When an adult comes along, recognizes a hopeless situation, and realizes it won’t, can’t, and shouldn’t go on for another 10-more, 100-more, or 1000-more years (as your favorite Grandpa McCain has indicated he would support), and then suggests that we should follow what the the military experts say and GET OUT, that person IS ACTING RESPONSIBLY. He or she is NOT SURRENDERING (whatever you think that word means in this context), he or she is extracting us from a hideous mess.

I would use some analogies to Nixon and Vietnam, but you’re probably too young, too ignorant, and too naive to understand, especially the military history aspects.

Look, eric. You’re an idiot, you’re naive about Iraq, you’re a mindless Koolaid-drinking McCain-Knob-Polishing Tool, and you’re still a racist troll…

The “good news” is you have some friends…

RIGHT…

Bet you wouldn’t have the balls to walk up to either Tiger Woods or Barack Obama and use a phrase denigrating their performance or ideas which prominently featured the word “monkey”…

“Please grow up and get a clue!”

Whether I lack in those areas or not is not for me to say. If somebody I respected (which wouldn’t include you) expressed that opinion, I might listen.

As it is, I’m inclined to believe that if YOU have a negative opinion about something, it must deserve a long second look. It probably has a lot of merit.

In any case, at least I’m smart enough not to call a black man something untoward containing the word “monkey”. But I guess my mother raised me to be better than that.

eric, try to spin it any way you want. You’re still an idiot, you’re still naive about Iraq, you’re still a mindless Koolaid-drinker and a McCain Knob Polisher, and you’re still a racist…

But I guess that’s exactly what we should expect from a Koolaid-drinking, unthinking supporter of the Iraq War, who sucks John McCain’s knob…

Irag War = Terry Schiavo because they’re both braindead, they’re both hopeless causes, they’re both obsessions of the Reichwing, and the only reason either was/is an issue is pure, unadulterated, cynical, manipulative politics, in the service of raw power.

Other than that, Terry Schiavo and the Iraq war have nothing in common.

But you’re still a disgusting racist asshole with ignorant opinions about Irag and Barack Obama. Go wash your white sheet again to make sure it’s white enough for the next Klan rally…