Comments on: Million-dollar Mark Penn’s real campaign allegiances - and that Obama photo http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:34:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: TC http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-499770 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:49:11 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-499770 More here: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/02/barack-obama-false-hopes-and-mark-penn.html More here:

http://acropolisreview.com/2008/02/barack-obama-false-hopes-and-mark-penn.html

]]> by: Blue Jean http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494324 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:35:08 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494324 So Drudge is a Hillary Democrat now? Coulda fooled me. So Drudge is a Hillary Democrat now? Coulda fooled me.

]]> by: paul http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494306 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:58:13 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494306 Great. So Burson-Marsteller is basically the WWI arms merchants. Great. So Burson-Marsteller is basically the WWI arms merchants.

]]> by: Lloyd Webber http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494273 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:39:47 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494273 Zuzu, this is exactly the kind of shit that HRC and her abortion of a campaign would pull. Desperate time call for desperate measures (no matter how rovian) Zuzu, this is exactly the kind of shit that HRC and her abortion of a campaign would pull. Desperate time call for desperate measures (no matter how rovian)

]]> by: cxs http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494263 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:41:21 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494263 Even if this was done without authorization, this is the kind of climate created when senior staff are shopping $200 donations from superannuated radicals. You know I keep wanting to give HRC the benefit of the doubt because I have generally liked her and I see others wanting to do the same, but...she chose these people (Penn,Ickes, Wolfson) and she's kept them. I found myself thinking"Poor Hillary, these guys are destroying you" the other day and then it was a truly WTF moment. Ultimately she is making these decisions and is responsible for them. Even if this was done without authorization, this is the kind of climate created when senior staff are shopping $200 donations from superannuated radicals.
You know I keep wanting to give HRC the benefit of the doubt because I have generally liked her and I see others wanting to do the same, but…she chose these people (Penn,Ickes, Wolfson) and she’s kept them. I found myself thinking”Poor Hillary, these guys are destroying you” the other day and then it was a truly WTF moment. Ultimately she is making these decisions and is responsible for them.

]]> by: stormkite http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494262 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:39:43 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494262 It's also very possible, even MORE likely, that Drudge's source is a rightwing Rovian. And at this point I've seen enough shit from Barackites that I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone in that group slipped it in. If you want an old picture of Barack... Remember LBJ's pigfucker strategy? At this point I don't fucking CARE who wins. I just want my "legal resident" papers from the other country. It’s also very possible, even MORE likely, that Drudge’s source is a rightwing Rovian.

And at this point I’ve seen enough shit from Barackites that I wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone in that group slipped it in. If you want an old picture of Barack…

Remember LBJ’s pigfucker strategy?

At this point I don’t fucking CARE who wins. I just want my “legal resident” papers from the other country.

]]> by: zuzu http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494260 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:29:51 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494260 I'm inclined to wonder about the provenance of this photo, considering that Drudge was on it. Wolfson's statement isn't a categorical denial, but it does leave open the possibility that someone lower in the chain slipped this to Drudge without authorization. I’m inclined to wonder about the provenance of this photo, considering that Drudge was on it. Wolfson’s statement isn’t a categorical denial, but it does leave open the possibility that someone lower in the chain slipped this to Drudge without authorization.

]]> by: Incertus Brian, Nacho Daddy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494258 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:21:05 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494258 It sounds to me like he's saying "nobody at the top did this, but it could have been a low-level person we haven't found yet," which would be similar to the situation early in the campaign where the low-level staff person was sending around the "Obama is a secret Muslim" email, and was canned for it soon afterward. When I saw the story, though, my first thought was "that's the kind of shit Mark Penn would do." It sounds to me like he’s saying “nobody at the top did this, but it could have been a low-level person we haven’t found yet,” which would be similar to the situation early in the campaign where the low-level staff person was sending around the “Obama is a secret Muslim” email, and was canned for it soon afterward.

When I saw the story, though, my first thought was “that’s the kind of shit Mark Penn would do.”

]]> by: Pam Spaulding http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494252 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:10:00 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494252 He left a tractor-trailer-sized hole in that statement that is typical when you want plausible deniability. <blockquote>Asked if the campaign had any role, Wolfson said, "<b>No, not to my knowledge</b>...I've never seen that picture before. <b>I'm not aware</b> that anyone else here has. <b>I'm not aware</b> that anyone here has circulated this e-mail."</blockquote> He left a tractor-trailer-sized hole in that statement that is typical when you want plausible deniability.
Asked if the campaign had any role, Wolfson said, “No, not to my knowledge…I’ve never seen that picture before. I’m not aware that anyone else here has. I’m not aware that anyone here has circulated this e-mail.”

]]> by: Incertus Brian, Nacho Daddy http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494244 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:56:56 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/25/million-dollar-mark-penns-real-campaign-allegiances/#comment-494244 Howard Wolfson <a href="http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_spokesperson_wolfson_s.php" rel="nofollow">has issued a complete denial</a> that the Clinton campaign--at least at the top levels--had anything to do with the photo. Howard Wolfson has issued a complete denial that the Clinton campaign–at least at the top levels–had anything to do with the photo.

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