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	<title>Comments on: Pastor Hutch jokes about ripping off the arm of a polite effeminate man</title>
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		<title>by: Erika</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/23/pastor-hutch-jokes-about-ripping-off-the-arm-of-a-polite-effeminate-man/#comment-494197</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Women dread being propositioned by men whom they find unattractive, and men dread the exact same thing. The reason being that in either case the person on the receiving end of the come-on is held to have incited it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not entirely.  The thing is that women are expected to always accept the advances of men who come on to us, whether we find them attractive or not.  (One reason is that women aren't allowed to be picky.  The other reason is that we're expected to reward men for being brave enough to ask us out.)

Straight men are aware of this obligation (although try getting them to admit it) so they fear gay men's advances.  If straight women &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; accept the advances of straight men, that must mean that straight men must accept the advances of gay men.  Hence, the violent reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Women dread being propositioned by men whom they find unattractive, and men dread the exact same thing. The reason being that in either case the person on the receiving end of the come-on is held to have incited it.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Not entirely.  The thing is that women are expected to always accept the advances of men who come on to us, whether we find them attractive or not.  (One reason is that women aren&#8217;t allowed to be picky.  The other reason is that we&#8217;re expected to reward men for being brave enough to ask us out.)</p>
	<p>Straight men are aware of this obligation (although try getting them to admit it) so they fear gay men&#8217;s advances.  If straight women <b>must</b> accept the advances of straight men, that must mean that straight men must accept the advances of gay men.  Hence, the violent reaction.
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		<title>by: spencer</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/23/pastor-hutch-jokes-about-ripping-off-the-arm-of-a-polite-effeminate-man/#comment-494076</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;there are plenty of quite vocal Christians who don’t think Hutcherson is behaving in a Christly manner towards gay folks.&lt;/i&gt;

If they don't like being lumped together with people like Hutchison, perhaps they should do more to shun people like Hutchison and drive them into the fringes of religious society, as opposed to what they generally do now, which is pretty much nothing.

And no, posting on blogs about how many right-thinking (but silent) Christians there are out there doesn't cut it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>there are plenty of quite vocal Christians who don’t think Hutcherson is behaving in a Christly manner towards gay folks.</i></p>
	<p>If they don&#8217;t like being lumped together with people like Hutchison, perhaps they should do more to shun people like Hutchison and drive them into the fringes of religious society, as opposed to what they generally do now, which is pretty much nothing.</p>
	<p>And no, posting on blogs about how many right-thinking (but silent) Christians there are out there doesn&#8217;t cut it.
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		<title>by: Mirabile Dictu</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/23/pastor-hutch-jokes-about-ripping-off-the-arm-of-a-polite-effeminate-man/#comment-494056</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Christ rarely, if ever, made any kind of show of overt masculinity, or perhaps I should say, what modern repressive culture considers to be masculinity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Christ rarely, if ever, made any kind of show of overt masculinity, or perhaps I should say, what modern repressive culture considers to be masculinity.</blockquote>
Exactly.
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		<title>by: preying mantis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Frankly, the notion that reasonable people can disagree about marriage equality is way more offensive to me than such obvious stupidity as joking about ripping people’s arms off.&quot;

Because joking about how awesome and right it is to kill people perceived as gay never promoted or normalized violence against gays?  And that's assuming that he was being truthful about the joke thing, rather than recognizing that what he said was too hateful and hyperbolic to get a pass on once it was heard outside his church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Frankly, the notion that reasonable people can disagree about marriage equality is way more offensive to me than such obvious stupidity as joking about ripping people’s arms off.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Because joking about how awesome and right it is to kill people perceived as gay never promoted or normalized violence against gays?  And that&#8217;s assuming that he was being truthful about the joke thing, rather than recognizing that what he said was too hateful and hyperbolic to get a pass on once it was heard outside his church.
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I thought it was MORE masculine to hold doors open for people, as in, an old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman sort of thing?
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Ah, but the old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman holds doors open for _ladies_.  So Hutcherson thinks that anyone for whom the door is held open is being treated as a lady.  And them's fighting words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>I thought it was MORE masculine to hold doors open for people, as in, an old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman sort of thing?
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	<p>Ah, but the old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman holds doors open for _ladies_.  So Hutcherson thinks that anyone for whom the door is held open is being treated as a lady.  And them&#8217;s fighting words.
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		<title>by: Christopher</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I've never understood how this hatred of soft men could be reconciled with the Gospels.

The Christ of the Gospels had a forceful personality, yes, but he was also a committed pacifist, who spent most of his time hanging out with other men and helping the poor.

Christ rarely, if ever, made any kind of show of overt masculinity, or perhaps I should say, what modern repressive culture considers to be masculinity.

So... Were do guys like this get this idea that god hates meek people who go out of their way to be kind to others?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve never understood how this hatred of soft men could be reconciled with the Gospels.</p>
	<p>The Christ of the Gospels had a forceful personality, yes, but he was also a committed pacifist, who spent most of his time hanging out with other men and helping the poor.</p>
	<p>Christ rarely, if ever, made any kind of show of overt masculinity, or perhaps I should say, what modern repressive culture considers to be masculinity.</p>
	<p>So&#8230; Were do guys like this get this idea that god hates meek people who go out of their way to be kind to others?
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		<title>by: Holly</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm so confused. I thought it was MORE masculine to hold doors open for people, as in, an old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman sort of thing? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m so confused. I thought it was MORE masculine to hold doors open for people, as in, an old-fashioned polite god-fearing gentleman sort of thing?
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		<title>by: DAS</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 16:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;When did general politeness become equivalent to homosexuality?&lt;/i&gt; - The Ogre

Interestingly, there is a strain of wingnut fundie who'll bash the likes of Pastor Hutch asking that very same question and then go on to complain about &quot;teh gay agenda&quot; for people making this equivalence.  You'd be amazed at what fundies'll blame on ye olde gay agenda.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>When did general politeness become equivalent to homosexuality?</i> - The Ogre</p>
	<p>Interestingly, there is a strain of wingnut fundie who&#8217;ll bash the likes of Pastor Hutch asking that very same question and then go on to complain about &#8220;teh gay agenda&#8221; for people making this equivalence.  You&#8217;d be amazed at what fundies&#8217;ll blame on ye olde gay agenda.
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		<title>by: Brutal Hugger</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Frankly, the notion that reasonable people can disagree about marriage equality is way more offensive to me than such obvious stupidity as joking about ripping people's arms off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Frankly, the notion that reasonable people can disagree about marriage equality is way more offensive to me than such obvious stupidity as joking about ripping people&#8217;s arms off.
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		<title>by: FlipYrWhig</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In case it wasn't clear, when I wrote what holding the door &quot;clearly&quot; meant, it was to be ironic.  I hold the door for people constantly and never once worried that it would be read as a come-hither to a panicky homophobe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In case it wasn&#8217;t clear, when I wrote what holding the door &#8220;clearly&#8221; meant, it was to be ironic.  I hold the door for people constantly and never once worried that it would be read as a come-hither to a panicky homophobe.
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