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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493491</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493491</guid>
					<description>Hey, great to see you over here, Red Star!  You guys are everywhere!  I love reading your blog every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey, great to see you over here, Red Star!  You guys are everywhere!  I love reading your blog every day.
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		<title>by: Redstar</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493259</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Blue Jean - Thanks for the The Hillary 1000 shout-out!  (I'm the blogger there, with Donna Darko and Pocochina.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blue Jean - Thanks for the The Hillary 1000 shout-out!  (I&#8217;m the blogger there, with Donna Darko and Pocochina.)
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		<title>by: Sheesh</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493175</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493175</guid>
					<description>&quot;We’re not out to get Hillary Clinton. You’re projecting.&quot;

I'm not necessarily saying you are.  I'm saying that every time you hear anything about her lately it seems to be negative (and unfortunately, a lot of the time it's perfectly justified).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;We’re not out to get Hillary Clinton. You’re projecting.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily saying you are.  I&#8217;m saying that every time you hear anything about her lately it seems to be negative (and unfortunately, a lot of the time it&#8217;s perfectly justified).
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		<title>by: Blue Jean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493165</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sheesh,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hillary1000.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here's&lt;/a&gt; where to go for all things Hillary.  (I've been hanging out there for a while.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheesh,</p>
	<p><a href="http://hillary1000.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> where to go for all things Hillary.  (I&#8217;ve been hanging out there for a while.)
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		<title>by: history_mom</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493125</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493125</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So wait, reducing abortions is a good thing again? Weren’t they supposed to be a moral good?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Only a complete moron thinks that's a gotcha. Y'know, I also promote good dental health and access to preventative dental care to reduce the incidence of root canals as a worthwhile goal, while simultaneously finding root canals to be a moral good, in that it is good to have it available to those who need it.

Same with abortion.  The ideal is to reduce the need for abortion (an invasive medical procedure) through access to contraception and comprehensive sex education. But I also think abortion is a moral good for the women who will need to use this procedure. The fact is that there will always be a need for abortion.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bill Clinton is a self-described Eisenhower Republican. Not a bad president, but hardly a progressive.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Compared to the other presidents we've had in the last 25 years, he is a progressive.  And he is a progressive on certain issues. Is he far more moderate than I? Hell yes, but then so are the vast majority of Democratic politicians. But I'm willing to give credit where credit is due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>So wait, reducing abortions is a good thing again? Weren’t they supposed to be a moral good?</p></blockquote>
	<p>Only a complete moron thinks that&#8217;s a gotcha. Y&#8217;know, I also promote good dental health and access to preventative dental care to reduce the incidence of root canals as a worthwhile goal, while simultaneously finding root canals to be a moral good, in that it is good to have it available to those who need it.</p>
	<p>Same with abortion.  The ideal is to reduce the need for abortion (an invasive medical procedure) through access to contraception and comprehensive sex education. But I also think abortion is a moral good for the women who will need to use this procedure. The fact is that there will always be a need for abortion.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Bill Clinton is a self-described Eisenhower Republican. Not a bad president, but hardly a progressive.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Compared to the other presidents we&#8217;ve had in the last 25 years, he is a progressive.  And he is a progressive on certain issues. Is he far more moderate than I? Hell yes, but then so are the vast majority of Democratic politicians. But I&#8217;m willing to give credit where credit is due.
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		<title>by: DeadMan</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493107</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493107</guid>
					<description>&quot;So wait, reducing abortions is a good thing again?&quot;

Why wouldn't it be? if less women need abortions because they have access to birth control then that's one less dangerous medical operation they will need in the course of their lives. Less operations = less cost, less danger for women, everybody win, even the pro-lifers! (unless of course the pro life movent doesn't really care about women's health and only seek to control their sexuality ... but we all know that's not the case because pro-lifers are totally always giving out condoms everywhere they go ... ... ... wait they don't do that? oh ... I wonder why???)

DeadMan </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;So wait, reducing abortions is a good thing again?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t it be? if less women need abortions because they have access to birth control then that&#8217;s one less dangerous medical operation they will need in the course of their lives. Less operations = less cost, less danger for women, everybody win, even the pro-lifers! (unless of course the pro life movent doesn&#8217;t really care about women&#8217;s health and only seek to control their sexuality &#8230; but we all know that&#8217;s not the case because pro-lifers are totally always giving out condoms everywhere they go &#8230; &#8230; &#8230; wait they don&#8217;t do that? oh &#8230; I wonder why???)</p>
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		<title>by: Mighty Ponygirl</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493104</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493104</guid>
					<description>Chico, I realize that there were lots of big, scary words in that post, but did you bother to read it when you linked it? Or do we need to break it down into something a little closer to your reading level?

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is Dick.

This is Jane.

They go to school together.

Dick and Jane like to fuck.

Fuck, Dick, fuck! 

This is Dick's broken condom. What color is the condom? That's right! It's blue! What other things are blue?

This is Jane throwing up in the morning. Jane is very sick.

This is Jane going to the doctor and being told she's pregnant.

Jane calls Dick. They talk. Dick comes over and they talk some more.

Jane likes school. If Jane stays pregnant, she won't be able to stay in school. She'll miss too many classes. She'll be too tired to study. This makes Jane very sad. She wanted to be a doctor some day and look for cures for bad diseases.

Dick doesn't have this problem. Dick isn't sick. Dick isn't tired. Dick tells Jane that he'll still be her friend and fuck her no matter what.

Jane decides to go to the doctor again. The doctor will perform an &lt;strong&gt;abortion&lt;/strong&gt; on Jane. 

This is Jane paying the doctor for the abortion. It's a lot of money for a college student, but a baby is a lot more money, so Jane pays the doctor now, before it's a baby.

Dick picks up Jane from the doctor's office. 

&quot;I'm glad I got the abortion,&quot; says Jane. &quot;It was a lot of money and not fun, but I'm glad I can still go to school. I'm glad that I can wait to have kids when I'm ready and can love them, and not hate them because they ruined my life.&quot;

&quot;I'm glad I still get to fuck Jane,&quot; says Dick, and he takes her out to get ice cream. Dick and Jane are good friends.

The End.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Chico, I realize that there were lots of big, scary words in that post, but did you bother to read it when you linked it? Or do we need to break it down into something a little closer to your reading level?</p>
	<blockquote><p>This is Dick.</p>
	<p>This is Jane.</p>
	<p>They go to school together.</p>
	<p>Dick and Jane like to fuck.</p>
	<p>Fuck, Dick, fuck! </p>
	<p>This is Dick&#8217;s broken condom. What color is the condom? That&#8217;s right! It&#8217;s blue! What other things are blue?</p>
	<p>This is Jane throwing up in the morning. Jane is very sick.</p>
	<p>This is Jane going to the doctor and being told she&#8217;s pregnant.</p>
	<p>Jane calls Dick. They talk. Dick comes over and they talk some more.</p>
	<p>Jane likes school. If Jane stays pregnant, she won&#8217;t be able to stay in school. She&#8217;ll miss too many classes. She&#8217;ll be too tired to study. This makes Jane very sad. She wanted to be a doctor some day and look for cures for bad diseases.</p>
	<p>Dick doesn&#8217;t have this problem. Dick isn&#8217;t sick. Dick isn&#8217;t tired. Dick tells Jane that he&#8217;ll still be her friend and fuck her no matter what.</p>
	<p>Jane decides to go to the doctor again. The doctor will perform an <strong>abortion</strong> on Jane. </p>
	<p>This is Jane paying the doctor for the abortion. It&#8217;s a lot of money for a college student, but a baby is a lot more money, so Jane pays the doctor now, before it&#8217;s a baby.</p>
	<p>Dick picks up Jane from the doctor&#8217;s office. </p>
	<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m glad I got the abortion,&#8221; says Jane. &#8220;It was a lot of money and not fun, but I&#8217;m glad I can still go to school. I&#8217;m glad that I can wait to have kids when I&#8217;m ready and can love them, and not hate them because they ruined my life.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m glad I still get to fuck Jane,&#8221; says Dick, and he takes her out to get ice cream. Dick and Jane are good friends.</p>
	<p>The End.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Chico</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493077</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493077</guid>
					<description>So wait, reducing abortions is a &lt;i&gt;good thing&lt;/i&gt; again?  Weren't they supposed to be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;moral good&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So wait, reducing abortions is a <i>good thing</i> again?  Weren&#8217;t they supposed to be a <a href="http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/02/22/time-to-open-up-the-overton-window-some-more-abortion-is-a-moral-good/" rel="nofollow">moral good</a>?
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		<title>by: Amanda Marcotte</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493050</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493050</guid>
					<description>We're not out to get Hillary Clinton.  You're projecting.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We&#8217;re not out to get Hillary Clinton.  You&#8217;re projecting.
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		<title>by: Sheesh</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/20/bring-the-fury-bill/#comment-493013</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm surprised this entry wasn't somehow turned into yet another Hillary hit-piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m surprised this entry wasn&#8217;t somehow turned into yet another Hillary hit-piece.
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