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	<title>Comments on: Utah&#8217;s Chris Buttars sponsors bill to hide police misconduct</title>
	<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/</link>
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		<title>by: louise</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492454</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492454</guid>
					<description>You see, Paris, the guy with the badge is always in need of understanding and sympathy. The guy w/o the badge is a &quot;perp&quot;.

Just clarifying the roles so you will understand better. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You see, Paris, the guy with the badge is always in need of understanding and sympathy. The guy w/o the badge is a &#8220;perp&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Just clarifying the roles so you will understand better. <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492324</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492324</guid>
					<description>Paris,

Gardner may have just pulled a double shift and might be a bit cranky.  He is also dealing with a boob trying to weasel out of a ticket.  The arrest might be the policy of his dept.  Or, he just had it with the putz.  Anyhow, I agree that the video serves a public good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paris,</p>
	<p>Gardner may have just pulled a double shift and might be a bit cranky.  He is also dealing with a boob trying to weasel out of a ticket.  The arrest might be the policy of his dept.  Or, he just had it with the putz.  Anyhow, I agree that the video serves a public good.
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		<title>by: Paris</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492212</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492212</guid>
					<description>John Gardner is a bully with poor judgement and Jared Massey is a whiney asshole. The beauty of the situation is that it is possible to make this video public so that Gardner gets a reprimand and Massey has to STFU about not doing anything wrong to warrent being pulled over. 

Neither has clean hands here - isn't it nice that we can see that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John Gardner is a bully with poor judgement and Jared Massey is a whiney asshole. The beauty of the situation is that it is possible to make this video public so that Gardner gets a reprimand and Massey has to STFU about not doing anything wrong to warrent being pulled over. </p>
	<p>Neither has clean hands here - isn&#8217;t it nice that we can see that?
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		<title>by: Chet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492147</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492147</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;I’ve seen officers rush into burning vehicles, give CPR to crack hos, hold the hands of those given triage, and cry when they find dead kids.&lt;/i&gt;

I've seen cops dump the handicapped from wheelchairs and taser men for no reason in front of their families.

I've seen a cop make absolutely plain his belief that even his &lt;i&gt;impression&lt;/i&gt; that he's &lt;i&gt;about&lt;/i&gt; to be in imminent danger gives him the right to execute an unarmed private citizen.

So excuse me if the courage you've observed in &lt;i&gt;others&lt;/i&gt; doesn't convince me you're anything but a coward, Mold.

&lt;i&gt;But I am not going to take stupid ones.&lt;/i&gt;

Then quit. Who the fuck needs you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I’ve seen officers rush into burning vehicles, give CPR to crack hos, hold the hands of those given triage, and cry when they find dead kids.</i></p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve seen cops dump the handicapped from wheelchairs and taser men for no reason in front of their families.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve seen a cop make absolutely plain his belief that even his <i>impression</i> that he&#8217;s <i>about</i> to be in imminent danger gives him the right to execute an unarmed private citizen.</p>
	<p>So excuse me if the courage you&#8217;ve observed in <i>others</i> doesn&#8217;t convince me you&#8217;re anything but a coward, Mold.</p>
	<p><i>But I am not going to take stupid ones.</i></p>
	<p>Then quit. Who the fuck needs you?
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		<title>by: Rick Massimo</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492023</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-492023</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Supporters of the bill believe that police misconduct should be kept secret from the public so to not discredit police testimony.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I've been trying for several minutes to come up with some pithy, snarky remark to illustrate and utter and complete intellectual and (yes) moral bankruptcy of the idea that we have to hide misconduct reports because if people find out that cops are sometimes untrustworthy they might not trust them.

And I can't do it.

Here, let me try to come up with something on the journalistic bankruptcy of

&lt;blockquote&gt;Others say that a forthright police unit is essential to the community.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In related news, some argue in favor of popular elections and majority rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>Supporters of the bill believe that police misconduct should be kept secret from the public so to not discredit police testimony.</p></blockquote>
	<p>I&#8217;ve been trying for several minutes to come up with some pithy, snarky remark to illustrate and utter and complete intellectual and (yes) moral bankruptcy of the idea that we have to hide misconduct reports because if people find out that cops are sometimes untrustworthy they might not trust them.</p>
	<p>And I can&#8217;t do it.</p>
	<p>Here, let me try to come up with something on the journalistic bankruptcy of</p>
	<blockquote><p>Others say that a forthright police unit is essential to the community.</p></blockquote>
	<p>In related news, some argue in favor of popular elections and majority rule.
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		<title>by: Mold</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491977</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491977</guid>
					<description>I've seen officers rush into burning vehicles, give CPR to crack hos, hold the hands of those given triage, and cry when they find dead kids.  Yeah, there's risk.  But I am not going to take stupid ones.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ve seen officers rush into burning vehicles, give CPR to crack hos, hold the hands of those given triage, and cry when they find dead kids.  Yeah, there&#8217;s risk.  But I am not going to take stupid ones.
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		<title>by: Eric, Rejector of Memes</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491975</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491975</guid>
					<description>Cops aren't robots, and who knows what this cop's day was like before this encounter.

I'm just happy most of the commenters here aren't cops, since they certainly can't even hold their tempers in a text based environment.  Damien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Cops aren&#8217;t robots, and who knows what this cop&#8217;s day was like before this encounter.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m just happy most of the commenters here aren&#8217;t cops, since they certainly can&#8217;t even hold their tempers in a text based environment.  Damien.
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		<title>by: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491950</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491950</guid>
					<description>Tests on PIGS?

Oh, sometimes this stuff just writes itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tests on PIGS?</p>
	<p>Oh, sometimes this stuff just writes itself.
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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491910</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491910</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Yeah, many officers are on power trips with the badge and authority. Get used to it and deal with it like an adult. Pick a rational battle to fight and perhaps win..courtroom…&lt;/i&gt;

Riiiight.  Because cops never fucking lie, especially in a court of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Yeah, many officers are on power trips with the badge and authority. Get used to it and deal with it like an adult. Pick a rational battle to fight and perhaps win..courtroom…</i></p>
	<p>Riiiight.  Because cops never fucking lie, especially in a court of law.
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		<title>by: Chet</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491860</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/16/utahs-chris-buttars-sponsors-bill-to-hide-police-misconduct/#comment-491860</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;If it’s him or me, it’ll be him.&lt;/i&gt;

Bullshit, Mold. &lt;i&gt;Your job&lt;/i&gt; is to make sure it's &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt; - the private citizen.

Sorry, but that's the job. We hired you to put your life on the line to protect us. Putting citizens in danger to protect your &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; life is absolutely a perversion of everything the police are supposed to do.

You don't like the risk? Quit. We don't need you in the force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>If it’s him or me, it’ll be him.</i></p>
	<p>Bullshit, Mold. <i>Your job</i> is to make sure it&#8217;s <i>him</i> - the private citizen.</p>
	<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s the job. We hired you to put your life on the line to protect us. Putting citizens in danger to protect your <i>own</i> life is absolutely a perversion of everything the police are supposed to do.</p>
	<p>You don&#8217;t like the risk? Quit. We don&#8217;t need you in the force.
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