People, what will it take to get this under control? In Tampa, Florida, a man paralyzed from the chest down was tossed out of his wheelchair by a law enforcement officer who didn’t believe Brian Sterner was a quadraplegic.
Sterner, who can drive, was arrested on a traffic violation. When he was booked into the Orient Road Jail last month, Sterner couldn’t believe what happened.The deputy, Charlette Jones is suspended without pay pending the outcome of the investigation.He says a deputy looked at him and didn’t believe he was a quadriplegic. She walked behind him, took the handles on the back of the hospital-grade wheel chair and dumped it forward.
Sterner says he tried to roll as he was going down, but hit so hard he thought he had broken two ribs. Then, while he was on the floor, deputies frisked him and tried to get him back into the chair…Sterner says it’s incredibly degrading and it’s an example of how poorly trained the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office is. He adds, if they’re trying to figure out if somebody needs to be in a wheelchair or not, there are many other ways to do it than to dump somebody on their face.
Counting down until trolls show up defending this behavior…
Also:
* This is your police state - woman violently strip searched
* The Blend TASER brutality files
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Not to doubt the reporting, just by way of clarification - if you can feel and move your arms, wouldn’t that make you PARApalegic? Isn’t “quadrapalegic” not being able to move/feel any limbs?
…countdown to first asshole declaring that “we don’t know the whole story”, so we should just excuse the officer’s behavior, etc.
And don’t forget the “being a cop is a TOUGH job!” excuse, and the “9/11 changed everything!” excuse, and the “it was just a publicity stunt to provoke a lawsuit!” excuse, etc.
There’s a whole bag full of excuses for bad behavior on the part of law enforcement officials, and there are Pandagon trolls who try every goddam one of them to avoid admitting that law enforcement is out of control in America…
I’m not much of an optimist about human nature; but I’m feeling good today. I’m going to do something really unusual and take the “over.” I think this is so bad that nobody will try to defend the conduct on this blog; not even Cookie. I’m expecting a lot of “bad apple” and “she got suspended, the system works.”
I am sick of power-freak police officers abusing the public. This officer should be locked up. I saw a video today of a policeman verbally abusing/assaulting some kids who were innocently skateboarding. It was so over the top and abusive that I couldn’t watch the entire video.
“I think this is so bad that nobody will try to defend the conduct on this blog; not even Cookie.”
I wouldn’t want to bet on it.
cookie has shown his colors way more than once, and always figures out some justification for bad cop behavior - he never fails.
He seems to have been keeping a low profile for the last couple weeks, but there’s always some other cookie-wannabe who’s willing to step up to the plate and defend the cops…
More from the police state…
A Baltimore City cop roughs up a 14 year old skateboarder for calling him “dude”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1bLbrkMd6hI
This is awful. I wonder what it would take to end police brutality?
There are several problems. The authoritarianism that flourished after 9/11 is one. So, I believe, is the fact that police work has gone from being a respectable middle-class job to a poorly-paid one with little prestige. Given this, it’s hard to attract good people, and a good portion of the ones you do attract are going to be ones without many other options. And under the circumstances, even the “good” cops will burn out and become brutal and bitter.
Of course, there is no excuse for the treatment Sterner suffered - the question is what can be done about it? Suspending the cop in question is only a Band-Aid.
I keep trying to think of any way to reform the nation’s police departments, and I really can’t think of anything that sounds like it’d be successful. The cops are now completely addicted to random violence and thuggery, and no one in authority over them is going to suggest getting them to tone things down, because they like having violent thugs they can legally unleash on their enemies…
Sending letters to police departments won’t do any good. Sending them to city councils, state legislators, or Congress won’t do any good, because they’re all afraid of not “Backing the Blue.” The president’s only complaint about police misconduct is that they should waterboard more.
What’s the solution?
“Not to doubt the reporting, just by way of clarification - if you can feel and move your arms, wouldn’t that make you PARApalegic? Isn’t “quadrapalegic” not being able to move/feel any limbs?”
Quadrapalegia can, I have been told, be diagnosed even if someone can still feel and move their arms. It’s applied when there’s damage high enough up that it that results in significant loss of strength, control, sensitivity, etc. to the arms, even if it’s not total.
Isn’t “quadrapalegic” not being able to move/feel any limbs?
No. It just means some degree of impairment in all limbs. All those guys in the movie “Murderball” are technically quadriplegic.
One of the problems is that poor people and minorities are the ones who bear the brunt of police brutality. Would a cop treat a middle-aged, white homeowner in an affluent suburb this way? Hellz no. (Yes, Sterner is white, AFAIK; I don’t know his sociodemographic background.) I live near several really upscale suburban cities and I can tell you this sort of thing wouldn’t happen here - because the police couldn’t get away with it.
I wonder if this is a drug-war type situation - middle-class and above whites don’t think this will ever happen to them, so why should they care? Part of the solution, IMO, is getting those who do have power in society to “care”.
Yeah, but I’ll bet it was a REALLY BAD traffic violation, so the guy deserved it, right?
Someone should bind that woman from the waist down, stick her in a wheelchair, and give her the same treatment.
Bitter Scribe, you know, just binding her legs and putting her in a wheelchair would probably be the worst punishment she can imagine. That’s what pissed her off about Mr. Sterner — that he was weak and she was strong. And what do cops think the strong should do to the weak? Abuse and punish them.
Of course, if you make her look and feel weak, she’d then have to go taser the fuck out of someone, just so she could feel like she was at the top of the food chain again.
I wish police departments would stop hiring sociopaths as officers.
Clearly the Christian ideal of “an Eye for an Eye” is the only way to handle Charlette Jones’ sensitivity training (I do LOVE that term).
I’ll volunteer to dump her on her face from a wheelchair but I’m not the type of person who could make someone a quadraplegic and still sleep at night … we might have to call in a couple burly, power-hungry cops to take care of that.
Okay… so I don’t see how this is ‘Police State’ activity. This is the case of a d!ckhead with a badge and a gun. Another rampant problem, but not the same as say… getting rid of habeas corpus, illegal search and seizure, suspending or ignorning a large portion of the bill of rights.
Unfortunately, along with attracting those who just want to protect and serve, law enforcment also attracts a lot of folks that get off on the idea of having power over others.
I believe in my heart that those are outnumbered significantly by the cops that try to do the right thing… but like in any other group of people, the bad apples can taint the image of the whole pile.
I don’t understand…. What exactly do you have to do to get fired from a police force? We know you can taser people to force compliance, even if they’re not a physical threat to you or anyone in the situation. We know you can have permanent restraining orders against you for domestic violence or threat of it, and still be allowed to carry a gun and work as an officer without undergoing any therapy. We know very well you can shoot unarmed black kids and not get in trouble. And now apparently you can forcibly strip search a woman for disorderly conduct and dump quadriplegics out of their wheelchairs.
So really… who do you have to maim/humiliate/injure/tase/shoot/sexually abuse to get fired?
Others have already commented, but yes, quadraplegia is impairment in all four limbs - not necessarily complete loss of use. Technically my friend with CP is quadriplegic, even though she can walk short distances with crutches - 70% impairment in both legs, 30% impairment in both arms.
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My guess would be other cops. But probably only the white, male ones.
I hope I never see anything like what’s in all these videos in person. (Gozer, your link in addition to this post just about made my head explode.) Not just because it’s unutterably horrific, but because I know I couldn’t control my temper in that situation and then I’d probably get tasered to death.
So really… who do you have to maim/humiliate/injure/tase/shoot/sexually abuse to get fired?
A wealthy Republican, probably.
Ugh. What’s the next step from this? Pistol whipping the blind?
Isn’t “quadrapalegic” not being able to move/feel any limbs?
Nope, it’s “affected in four limbs.” Hi, I’m a spastic quadriplegic, and I’m not typing with my nose. On the other hand, if you ask me to hold my hands still for any length of time, they start jumping around like someone’s yanking on the tendons. That also explains why he’s both in a wheelchair and able to drive.
What I want to know is, what kind of mindset or mentality do you have to have not to believe someone who is sitting in a wheelchair and who says they’re quadriplegic?
I remember how stunned I was when I found out that there is such a thing as an anti-disabled hate crime. It sounds as if Charlette Jones has some related issues.
Suzanne’s right, you have to harm humiliate etc another cop. Even then, firing them would be redundant, since they’d be pariahs.
Another career-ender would be to engage in corruption so mind-blowingly ambitious that it became a major media story.
The other thing that would end a cop’s career would be to act in good conscience and be the whistle-blower on coruption or abuse.
Suzanne’s quite wrong that it would have to be a white male cop that was the brunt of your efforts. “We’re all blue” is a common cop shibboleth and they seem to actually believe that. That said, an “internal investigation” would be likely to give very broad latitude in the specific case of sexual harrassment. For an ordinary patrol cop, anything short of actual sexual assault would garner a feather-light slap on the wrist.
Suzanne’s brutally right that failure to control your temper in such a situation would not be in your own best interest.
Gozer, thanks for the link. Now my hands are shaking in anger.
I have worked with disabled people for a number of years, and represented them in conflicts with the authorities, including the police; my comments following come from direct experience.
The reason that the cop dumped the quad from his chair is that the cop was functioning under the Delusion of Power; this is the delusion that one is so powerful that simply saying something creates the reality. In other words, the cop believed that the person IN THE WHEELCHAIR should be able to stand up when ordered SIMPLY BECAUSE THE COP ORDERED HIM TO. Cop believed her order CREATED REALITY.
I saw this kind of behavior too often: a blind man with a guide dog, harness and all, thrown to the ground and beaten when two transit cops demanded that he “prove” he was blind. Other examples I could quote.
These examples show the real danger of the authoritarian mindset, that that mindset is fundamentally in conflict with reality, that it is in fact frequently a denial of reality, a denial of the senses, a denial of intelligence, a denial of foreseeable consequences. The torturer, for instance, who, when shown video of himself torturing another human being, denies the torture with a straight face, denies it successfully under polygraph examination, denies it and believes the denial absolutely, regardless of the evidence.
The incident noted in this thread is disgusting. The mindset behind it is far more dangerous than many realize.
Nope, even harming another cop isn’t enough. I can’t find the link right now, but there was a story recently about an off-duty cop being shot and killed trying to stop what sounded like an incident of police brutality. (he was black though, so perhaps killing a white cop would do it)
And really, if he was stopped for a traffic violation, couldn’t you check his car if you suspected he was faking his impairment? Wouldn’t the hand controls be a tip-off? (and does anyone else suspect that including the fact that the victim can drive was an attempt to lessen sympathy for him, make it look like he’s “not that handicapped”?
I would say that as a disabled person, Sterner is a member of a minority. There are the same issues with intersectionality facing disabled people as face any other minority group. Poor disabled people or disabled people of color are, I’m sure, more likely to face police brutality than middle-class, white ones. (On the other hand, disabled people are disproportionately poor.) But I strongly suspect that white, middle-class disabled people are more likely than other white, middle-class people to be targets of police brutality. Doug Bahl was a college instructor and locally prominent Deaf activist, and that didn’t prevent him from being beaten up and held incommunicado for days by the Minneapolis police.
harlemjd, his drivers license probably included a note about his handicap, too.
I don’t think including the fact that he could drive is an attempt to poison the well, however. A natural question a reader might ask would be “What was Mr. Sterner arrested for?” Leaving off any reference to his ability to drive would leave the story incomplete, and the reader asking more questions.
Is it okay to state, that in general, I hate all police with a vengence.
Fuck them all.
Please delete this if not appropriate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/nyregion/26shoot.html?_r=1&em&ex=1201496400&en=e24e4a7b77041a55&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin
Was it this story, harlemjd?
Physically disabled people get this kind of shit all the time: lots of people assume that they’re only faking it and can really stand, see, talk or hear if they’d put your mind to it. Once the actual vulnerability is established, you get this kind of crap: she doesn’t dump him from the chair because she thinks he can stand, she does so because she knows he can’t.
“and does anyone else suspect that including the fact that the victim can drive was an attempt to lessen sympathy for him, make it look like he’s “not that handicapped”?”
Not really. It clearly states that she pitched him from his wheelchair, informs the reader that his paralysis was the result of a broken neck, and includes his statement that he thought he had broken two of his ribs as a result of being ejected from the chair with no real ability to control his fall. It doesn’t seem to be trying to slant the reader away from sympathizing at all.
This is fucking sick. What kind of person would do such a thing??? I hope the victim sues the daylights out of that police department.
And incidentally, that’s one thing I can think of that would reduce this sort of thing - if it was easier to win damages for egregious, physically abusive behavior by the police. But it’ll be a cold day in hell before that’s the case.
HarlemJD and Louise: That story reminded me of the “friendly fire” shooting of Providence police officer Cornel Young, Jr. in 2002.
“and does anyone else suspect that including the fact that the victim can drive was an attempt to lessen sympathy for him, make it look like he’s “not that handicapped”?”
I thought it was the opposite, “Look he can drive just like a normal person, but they still treated him like crap!”
(Obviously, I’m using “normal” to illustrate the way of thinking here.)
Oops, it was in 2000, not 2002.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/13/na-toss-from-wheelchair-brings-jail-suspensions/
Here’s a long “follow-up” piece from today worth reading.
Even if he could walk, what the hell is the point of proving it? How was it relevant? She wanted an extra few hundred bucks ticket for parking in a handicapped spot? It’s obvious that wasn’t really what was going on. This is just hateful abuse.
from above:
and from the follow-up:
spooky-accurate.
From the newspaper article: “Sterner can drive a car, but he hasn’t been able to walk for 14 years.
He said he told Marshall-Jones as much when he was booked into jail on a traffic-related charge.
She didn’t believe him, he said.”
As the Church Lady would say “Well, isn’t THAT special…”
(sorry for an ancient SNL reference, but it fits well…)
Later: “An internal affairs investigation is reviewing the actions by Jones and the three supervisors: Cpl. Decondra Williams, 36; Dickey, 45; and Sgt. Gary Hinson, 51. Investigators had not interviewed the deputy or her supervisors as of Tuesday, Docobo said.
No reports were filed about the incident, so investigators are trying to determine what the supervisors knew, Docobo said. Each of the three appears at various times on the video, but none intervenes with Marshall-Jones. Dickey walks into the frame from the side and appears to smile as he walks away.
“That none of the supervisors acted upon what they saw is of great concern,” Docobo said. “This is not the norm at the sheriff’s office. It’s an aberration.”"
Wow. What a great culture we live in. This makes me SO proud to be an American…
And what about this statement from the deputy:
What truth is left to learn?the real danger of the authoritarian mindset, that that mindset is fundamentally in conflict with reality, that it is in fact frequently a denial of reality, a denial of the senses, a denial of intelligence, a denial of foreseeable consequences.
I recognize this personality type, because I’ve seen it in my own family (totally unrelated to 9/11). it’s more common than most people know, and not at all limited to people ‘in power,’ such as the police.
“What truth is left to learn?”
Yeah, that comment struck me, too. Short of claiming that he told her he was physically fine and just riding in one of the jail’s wheelchairs for kicks and followed it up with an invitation for her to give him a lift out of it, or maybe having thought that the wheelchair was on fire, I can’t imagine what she thinks will somehow make it okay for her to have dumped a disabled man in police custody out of his wheelchair.
Thanks for the clarification. Didn’t mean to be glib at all, just didn’t know. Another check shows that I couldn’t even spell it correctly despite being in title bar and mentioned multiple times, so obviously ignorance reigns.
Sally, I see your point re: intersecting oppressions, and that even middle-class disabled people are more vulnerable to this type of brutality.
Even so, I believe that a “This doesn’t happen to People Like Us, therefore it’s not my concern” mentality *is* characteristic of many middle-class to affluent whites. They’ve never been tasered or otherwise ill-treated by police, they don’t know anyone who has had that happen to them, therefore it’s all very abstract and removed from their experience. Same with the drug war and prison reform - how many college-educated whites have a relative who has been in jail? How many have a relative arrested for drug possession? Not very many, I’ll wager.
Meanwhile, people who DO suffer from police brutality tend to be relatively powerless - disenfranchised or vulnerable in some way. They’re poor, or suffer from racism, and so on. There is less they can do about police brutality - they don’t have the connections, or the clout, or the bucks. And those police who are prone to brutality know this, and they mistreat these people, because there is less chance of retaliation.
And this is why I hope Sterner sues the bejabbers out of the Tampa police department, and wins.
Thanks for the link, Louise, but I had to stop reading the comments, they were upsetting me so. There were a few people who argued he obviously deserved it somehow b/c he was in jail after all, so he must’ve been evil in some way.
But what was really getting me was how SO many people were like “oh, oh, it’s racism, see how the black people get away with everything, if white cops did this to a black guy they’d be all immediately fired and their lives ruined.” Gaaahh!!!! What planet do these people live on?? There are constantly stories of white officers unnecessarily abusing black people with NO consequences whatsoever. These racist commenters apparently think that just because they HEARD about an incident where a white cop did something to a black person, and folks expressed outrage, then that apparently meant the black person got all this undeserved benefit and the white cop was unjustly fired — when what usually happens is: media makes report, people are outraged, incident is “investigated’, and nothing happens to the officers at all! (actually what USUALLY happens, I suspect, is no media reports at all). And I see plenty of publicity and outrage in this case, it’s hardly like anyone is saying it’s all just fine b/c the officer is black.
Oh right, this isn’t actually about the ever-growing abuse of “authority” in this country, it’s really just all about the pervasive ongoing oppression of white people! (/sarcasm)
“The truth will come out” is an eerie phrase that makes me think of all the people who get nailed red handed for something and are trying to turn it around so they’re the victim.
There is no excuse to justify treating someone like that.
She should be fired, end of story!
I have arrested suspects in wheelchairs a few times, you can search them without dumping them onto the floor like that.
That behavior is an embarrassment!
Wow, cookie, that statement made you seem almost human! I’m impressed…
Of course, the follow up question for cookie:
How would you react if it was a white male cop and a black suspect/victim?…
same thing, no excuse for treating someone like that regardless of color.
As an officer, I treat people the same way I would want that person to treat my mother or wife, if the suspect was an officer.
Are there times when you have to not be “nice”, sure,I let the suspect dictate when things are not “nice” anymore.
People on here bash police, and granted there are a lot of bad cops out there, but until you’ve been a beat cop for years it is hard to describe what it’s like.
Dumping someone on the floor like that is wrong!
One of the problems is that poor people and minorities are the ones who bear the brunt of police brutality. Would a cop treat a middle-aged, white homeowner in an affluent suburb this way? Hellz no. (Yes, Sterner is white, AFAIK; I don’t know his sociodemographic background.) I live near several really upscale suburban cities and I can tell you this sort of thing wouldn’t happen here - because the police couldn’t get away with it
I’m a white homeowner who is obviously over 21, who was in a traumatic accident last year in an affluent suburb. I was in shock. I was not at fault, although because of what had happened, that wasn’t clear until after an investigation. I was also driving with a license from another state, because I hadn’t gotten around yet to changing it yet. My bad — I should have done it sooner.
I was being interviewed by three or four officers, when suddenly another officer burst on the scene. He asked to see my license (why? he wasn’t interviewing me) and started grilling me about its state of origin. He got more and more agitated, berating me for not having changed it in time, talking to me in the tone of voice I would reserve for a kid caught knocking over a granny with a cane. I’m obviously in shock, numb, tear-stained face — what did he think he was accomplishing?
I was suddenly on alert and I knew that I had to be very, very respectful, very, very careful in answering this officer. He was looking for a reason to arrest or humiliate me, to exercise his authority over me. The memory of his power over me, of what I saw in his face about his intentions, still frightens me when I think of it.
No, I don’t think this type of interaction happens as much to people of my socioeconomic class and (seeming) race — but yeah. It happens when you come across an officer with issues, and it’s not clear yet that you are not a criminal.
The really amazing thing about this (besides the obvious horrific nature of the incident) is that even the local conservative talk-show hosts, etc. are coming down on the police in this situation. I flipped to the local “news” station (really just a neocon propaganda machine) this morning to check the local commute (they have the best info, unfortunately)…the morning show hosts were mortified by this.
I wonder how much of that horror is directed at the fact that in this case the victim is white and the offender is a black female. If ever there were a case tailor-made for conservatives, it’s this one.
Even cookie is against this?
Well, I’ll be dipped.
cookie probably can’t get too worked up because there was no taser involved…
Shit like this is why I’m planning on going to law school. I want to help the careers of the fuckers who do this kind of thing.
Not really anything constructive to add, these posts just get me riled up.
She should have been fired, not just suspended.
Many police departments, flush with homeland security money, have increased both their recruitment and their spending on tactical weapons with little civilian oversight. Bush and the GOP have convinced local law enforcement agencies that terrorist cells are operating in any town large enough to have at least one traffic light. Poorly trained and paranoiac of strangers, newly hired members of the Thin Blue Line respond to every incident with an adrenaline-fueled aggressiveness that tarnishes the image of our dedicated police officers. Civilian oversight is needed to ensure that some of the Homeland Security largess is devoted to the proper training and periodic counseling of our police officers.
Re Hairhead:
thanks for your comment, it’s really useful to know how the other side thinks (or rather doesn’t think, but you know what I mean). It’s essential in understanding the Bush administration, the torturers, the CIA-apologists, the Katrina-victim-bashers and on and on.
I agree with Cookie. This does not appear to be justified. However, I will state that many well-bodied ‘Mericans’ use handicapped spaces and devices. I’ve personally had at least five vehicles towed from an HP space. Somebody might actually need the space and after watching you walk in and determining you have no legal right to park there, tough beans.
Another is proof. If I think you are faking, I’ll get approval to surveille your places. Nothing busts a creep better than tape of them miraculously walking.
Mold: the roundabout I’m-not-really-disagreeing-but routine is not as subtle as you think it is.
Mold, we’d all appreciate it if you took your thinly-veiled authoritarianism and stuffed it straight up your ass. Thanks.
Not everyone’s disability is clearly visible. Some people have conditions that can allow them to walk short distances even though they could never make it from the hinterlands of the mall parking lot. Don’t assume you can judge the degree of someone’s disability just by looking at them, that makes you no different than this officer.
“Somebody might actually need the space and after watching you walk in and determining you have no legal right to park there, tough beans.”
This statement brought to you by the Senator Frist College of Medicine and Assholery.
I had to have this same conversation with people at a former job (in a department store) because a woman from another store was helping us out and had her dog with her. She had a medical condition that sometimes caused her to lose the ability to stand up straight and the dog helped her keep her balance. Some ignorant asses asked me later why she needed an assistance dog because she’s obviously not blind. And they said it in such a snotty tone.
On topic, I just love that a certain person who rushed to the defense of the cops who strip searched the woman in Ohio are able to see that this was (probably) unjustified.
If I were a better person I would not feel a need to point out that I was right.
A policeman will probably soon tase and arrest a two-year-old infant (probably a child of color) for looking at him cross-eyed.
Those two-year-olds get into everything, man, they don’t know right from wrong! They’re B-A-A-A-D!
I hate it when real life resembles The Onion.
>Not everyone’s disability is clearly visible.
Yeah, I have a friend with an assistant dog, and a need for it that is not immediately apparent.
He got beat up years ago, and left mute (but not deaf) and with a form of epilepsy. With this particular type of eplespy he does not suffer classical fits but instead just kind of spaces out. If he is sitting or lying down that is not a problem. But if he is walking, and an attack occurs he will just continue walking in whatever direction he was head before it started - off a curb, into traffic, into a ditch or ravine. (There are ravines locally.)
So the dog is there to prevent him from walking into traffic or some other obvious danger if he suffers and epileptic attack while walking. And since he is mute, and aggressive policement or employee would probably not give him a chance to scribble a note to explain, if they confronted him going into a store.
i am sick of police doing things like this to the public. i had a police officer kill my brother who was completely innocent of the situation. i am sick of cops being the johnny bad asses they think they are.people need to raise the roof about all of this. i also watched a video on t.v. of cops assaulting another wheel chair person, who happened to be a woman, they dumped her on the floor and proceeded to take her clothes off, and then they put her in a little room totally naked for several hours. you cops make me sick….someday you will get yours….maybe just maybe, someone will do this to your daughter or son, and then you will see the devastation you have brought to others
If a man told me that he was a quadriplegic but was moving his arms about, I wouldn’t have believed him either. It’s paraplegics that can move their arms. Quadriplegics can’t move their arms. Either the reporter really got it wrong and my sympathy is with Brian, or Brian himself got it wrong in which case my sympathy is with the deputy.
Andy J ,
Quadriplegia means that your injury is in your C level of your spine. A quad often has SOME movement in their arms, but not full use and usually can’t use their hands. They can only drive with adaptive equipment. So do some research before you show how ignorant you are to the world on a public blog!!