Comments on: An election cycle that breaks all the rules - and the establishment is in knots http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:45:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1-alpha by: nezua http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489745 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:16:15 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489745 great post. i actually wrote <a href="http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/2007/11/hillogynists_take_note.html" rel="nofollow">a warning</a> about this (what was apparently coined as "The Tweety Effect") in november of '07. great post.

i actually wrote a warning about this (what was apparently coined as “The Tweety Effect”) in november of ‘07.

]]> by: Ailurophile http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489595 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:28:01 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489595 True, Gwangung. In most Asian cultures, the home (and family budget) are women's domain. And of course there is the respect for older people, as well. So Senator Clinton is not pushing any buttons there. When it comes right down to it, the rabid Hillary-haters are mostly white; and white women are supposed to be young, pretty, and demure. I sincerely doubt that the Asian or Latino voting bloc will go for McCain in a big way. I've heard a few Latinos say that they will vote for the man; but most have been well turned off by Republican policies and are solidly behind the Dem ticket. Meanwhile, McCain used a racial slur in one of his earlier campaign - he was referring to his Vietnamese captors, but still, using the word "gook" didn't endear him to most Asian voters. As it is, Obama's victory in Kansas and Nebraska may mean that all this is moot; he is likely to trounce McCain in November no matter what. And you can bet your bippy that if it comes down to Obama-Huckabee (!) that a lot of the Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger type Repubs will either sit it out or support Obama - that Southern Baptist Jeebus-freak populist dog just don't hunt in these parts. True, Gwangung. In most Asian cultures, the home (and family budget) are women’s domain. And of course there is the respect for older people, as well. So Senator Clinton is not pushing any buttons there. When it comes right down to it, the rabid Hillary-haters are mostly white; and white women are supposed to be young, pretty, and demure.

I sincerely doubt that the Asian or Latino voting bloc will go for McCain in a big way. I’ve heard a few Latinos say that they will vote for the man; but most have been well turned off by Republican policies and are solidly behind the Dem ticket. Meanwhile, McCain used a racial slur in one of his earlier campaign - he was referring to his Vietnamese captors, but still, using the word “gook” didn’t endear him to most Asian voters.

As it is, Obama’s victory in Kansas and Nebraska may mean that all this is moot; he is likely to trounce McCain in November no matter what. And you can bet your bippy that if it comes down to Obama-Huckabee (!) that a lot of the Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger type Repubs will either sit it out or support Obama - that Southern Baptist Jeebus-freak populist dog just don’t hunt in these parts.

]]> by: yet another commenter http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489558 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 05:41:28 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489558 obama can win a general election. he cannot be clinton's vp, which would be dum anyway. in state after state, once he gets to talking in that state, votes start flying out for him (and donations, and support). he's got the gift of Bill Clinton and Huckabee, but without Bill Clinton or Huckabee's creepy factor. the clintons have no more ability to dispense favors left. again and again, 'experienced' hillary faills down and doesn't whip ass in a genuine election challenge. with all her starting advantages, EVEN lacking obama's charisma, she should have been winner-take-all level ahead in delegates. 500 or more. instead she can barely hang on. and yet people are still nattering about how she ought to take obama on as vp, instead of the other way round (both absurd, but the first one is stunning in its whiteprivilege assumptiveness). in a general election, if she decides to just rip the party to shreds and backroom-deal her way to a nomination, guess what? mccain gets to be prez-0-dent. obama is showing that people are TIRED of the 'backroom-dealing'. they are sick of that kind of 'experience'. for hillary to even get the nom, she'd have to spit in the faces of the rising hordes of voters who now see that they can count in the political process. they'd see that despite favoring obama, mrs. clinton backroom-dealt her way into a nom over the voice of what the people wanted in favor of what SHE wanted and nothing more. not a winning strategy, that. mccain would just handily parlay his maverick status into a bloody but solid victory in 08. a vote for hillary is pretty literally a vote for mccain 08. obama can win a general election. he cannot be clinton’s vp, which would be dum anyway. in state after state, once he gets to talking in that state, votes start flying out for him (and donations, and support).

he’s got the gift of Bill Clinton and Huckabee, but without Bill Clinton or Huckabee’s creepy factor.

the clintons have no more ability to dispense favors left. again and again, ‘experienced’ hillary faills down and doesn’t whip ass in a genuine election challenge.

with all her starting advantages, EVEN lacking obama’s charisma, she should have been winner-take-all level ahead in delegates. 500 or more.

instead she can barely hang on.

and yet people are still nattering about how she ought to take obama on as vp, instead of the other way round (both absurd, but the first one is stunning in its whiteprivilege assumptiveness).

in a general election, if she decides to just rip the party to shreds and backroom-deal her way to a nomination, guess what? mccain gets to be prez-0-dent.

obama is showing that people are TIRED of the ‘backroom-dealing’. they are sick of that kind of ‘experience’. for hillary to even get the nom, she’d have to spit in the faces of the rising hordes of voters who now see that they can count in the political process.

they’d see that despite favoring obama, mrs. clinton backroom-dealt her way into a nom over the voice of what the people wanted in favor of what SHE wanted and nothing more. not a winning strategy, that.

mccain would just handily parlay his maverick status into a bloody but solid victory in 08.

a vote for hillary is pretty literally a vote for mccain 08.

]]> by: chingona http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489541 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:25:26 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489541 And I am loving this way more than I thought I would. I was really disappointed to see Howard Dean say that if there is no nominee by mid-April, the party will try to "work something out." He really doesn't want a brokered convention. I would love a brokered convention! Just for the drama. I am starting to hear all this chatter from the punditocracy that the close race on the Democratic side means Democrats are so divided that the losers in the nominating process may just stay home. And I really don't see any evidence of that whatsoever, with the exception for a few hardcore Hillary haters. The bad news is that most of the Republicans I know who were thinking about voting Democratic this time around are really happy with McCain as their nominee and probably will stay in the fold. And I am loving this way more than I thought I would. I was really disappointed to see Howard Dean say that if there is no nominee by mid-April, the party will try to “work something out.” He really doesn’t want a brokered convention. I would love a brokered convention! Just for the drama.

I am starting to hear all this chatter from the punditocracy that the close race on the Democratic side means Democrats are so divided that the losers in the nominating process may just stay home. And I really don’t see any evidence of that whatsoever, with the exception for a few hardcore Hillary haters.

The bad news is that most of the Republicans I know who were thinking about voting Democratic this time around are really happy with McCain as their nominee and probably will stay in the fold.

]]> by: chingona http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489538 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:19:40 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489538 I really don't see a Clinton/Obama ticket. Or an Obama/Clinton ticket. If she's the nominee, why would she put someone with that much star power and charisma in the second slot? You need a veep who bolsters the nominee, maybe counters some perceived weakness, not one who overshadows the nominee. And for him, his whole change message gets really bogged down by going with Clinton. There are other candidates who make a much better match for either of them than they do for each other. I really don’t see a Clinton/Obama ticket. Or an Obama/Clinton ticket. If she’s the nominee, why would she put someone with that much star power and charisma in the second slot? You need a veep who bolsters the nominee, maybe counters some perceived weakness, not one who overshadows the nominee. And for him, his whole change message gets really bogged down by going with Clinton. There are other candidates who make a much better match for either of them than they do for each other.

]]> by: gwangung http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489512 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:26:34 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489512 <blockquote> (Rodriguez surmises that for all the talk and posturing of “machismo,” Latino men are used to deferring to powerful older women; </blockquote> In a lot of Asian households, women holds the pocketbook.

(Rodriguez surmises that for all the talk and posturing of “machismo,” Latino men are used to deferring to powerful older women;

In a lot of Asian households, women holds the pocketbook.

]]> by: mnemosyne http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489485 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:00:20 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489485 <i>OT, and yet not really: “whiny ass titty baby” is an extremely sexist remark.</i> Really? Because I always picture a two-year old who's being weaned and is throwing a tantrum about it. How is that sexist? OT, and yet not really: “whiny ass titty baby” is an extremely sexist remark.

Really? Because I always picture a two-year old who’s being weaned and is throwing a tantrum about it. How is that sexist?

]]> by: The Fat Lady Sings http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489474 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:01:12 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489474 Ailurophile - It was your last paragraph I was referring to: "vagina dentata" indeed!!! Ailurophile -

It was your last paragraph I was referring to: “vagina dentata” indeed!!!

]]> by: The Fat Lady Sings http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489470 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:58:34 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489470 Brilliant!! Brilliant!!

]]> by: Ailurophile http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489441 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:30:49 +0000 http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/08/an-election-cycle-that-breaks-all-the-rules-and-the-establishment-is-in-knots/#comment-489441 I just read in the Chronicle Breaking News that Huckabee won Kansas. Sooo...while McCain is still the likely Rethug nominee, he by no means has it all sewn up, even if Senator Clinton is the Democratic candidate. I'm preferring to look on the bright side, for now, and believe that a) enough people hate McCain on the Rethug side, and b) enough Democrats/Independents just DO NOT WANT another Repig presidency that they will even vote for the Dread Hillary. BTW, I was reading Richard Rodriguez' article on Salon.com analyzing the Latino vote (Latinos voted overwhelmingly democratic and for Senator Clinton) - it appears that Latino men (and Asian men) don't have the heebie-jeebies that so many white guys do about Sen. Clinton. (Rodriguez surmises that for all the talk and posturing of "machismo," Latino men are used to deferring to powerful older women; they look at Sen. Clinton and see "gravitas" rather than "OMG vagina dentata.") I just read in the Chronicle Breaking News that Huckabee won Kansas. Sooo…while McCain is still the likely Rethug nominee, he by no means has it all sewn up, even if Senator Clinton is the Democratic candidate.

I’m preferring to look on the bright side, for now, and believe that a) enough people hate McCain on the Rethug side, and b) enough Democrats/Independents just DO NOT WANT another Repig presidency that they will even vote for the Dread Hillary.

BTW, I was reading Richard Rodriguez’ article on Salon.com analyzing the Latino vote (Latinos voted overwhelmingly democratic and for Senator Clinton) - it appears that Latino men (and Asian men) don’t have the heebie-jeebies that so many white guys do about Sen. Clinton. (Rodriguez surmises that for all the talk and posturing of “machismo,” Latino men are used to deferring to powerful older women; they look at Sen. Clinton and see “gravitas” rather than “OMG vagina dentata.”)

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