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	<title>Comments on: Haggard quits pray-away-the-gay program</title>
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		<title>by: moonwatcher</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488622</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Man. That picture is just begging for some photoshopping.</description>
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		<title>by: Godmonkey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488207</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 10:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That picture, man. That picture. Who here among us can begin to surmise what specimen of choirboy be ticklin' him nutsack? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That picture, man. That picture. Who here among us can begin to surmise what specimen of choirboy be ticklin&#8217; him nutsack?
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		<title>by: BobbyV</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488176</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>During my time as a hospice volunteer, I became a friend to a retired college professor who happened to be a Christian Scientist. He was within 3 weeks or so of his death from cancer and his church friends would gather every other day for prayer and bible reading. I never knew what they discussed during these meetings but, after his church friends left, I often heard him weeping quietly in his room. Not wanting to pry into his private life, I never asked what made him so sad. During his memorial service I had the chance to speak with one of his childhood buddies who visited the professor frequently during his final weeks.

What made the professor so upset in his final days on earth were his church friends telling him that the only reason he was dying of cancer was that his Christian faith was weak. Friends like that we can do without!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>During my time as a hospice volunteer, I became a friend to a retired college professor who happened to be a Christian Scientist. He was within 3 weeks or so of his death from cancer and his church friends would gather every other day for prayer and bible reading. I never knew what they discussed during these meetings but, after his church friends left, I often heard him weeping quietly in his room. Not wanting to pry into his private life, I never asked what made him so sad. During his memorial service I had the chance to speak with one of his childhood buddies who visited the professor frequently during his final weeks.</p>
	<p>What made the professor so upset in his final days on earth were his church friends telling him that the only reason he was dying of cancer was that his Christian faith was weak. Friends like that we can do without!
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		<title>by: white_n_az</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488120</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488120</guid>
					<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZmHC75FDqQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ted Haggard is Completely Heterosexual&lt;/a&gt; sings Roy Zimmerman...don't miss this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HZmHC75FDqQ" rel="nofollow">Ted Haggard is Completely Heterosexual</a> sings Roy Zimmerman&#8230;don&#8217;t miss this
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		<title>by: Bitter Scribe</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-488027</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sometimes I almost feel sorry for this guy.

Then I think of all the misery and guilt people like him have heaped on gay people, and I think: Naaaaaah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sometimes I almost feel sorry for this guy.</p>
	<p>Then I think of all the misery and guilt people like him have heaped on gay people, and I think: Naaaaaah.
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		<title>by: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487961</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just watched &quot;Jesus Camp&quot; for the first time.  The moment where he says, &quot;It's a &lt;i&gt;fabulous&lt;/i&gt; life!&quot; took on a whole new meaning after all this.  Erasure needs to rework Shiela E's &quot;Glamourous Life&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just watched &#8220;Jesus Camp&#8221; for the first time.  The moment where he says, &#8220;It&#8217;s a <i>fabulous</i> life!&#8221; took on a whole new meaning after all this.  Erasure needs to rework Shiela E&#8217;s &#8220;Glamourous Life&#8221;
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		<title>by: chingona</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487701</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487701</guid>
					<description>It's harmful to people who suffer from serious mental illness as well. They are made to feel that if only they were better Christians, they would be healed. Their continued suffering is evidence of their &quot;failure&quot; as Christians.

This stuff is a huge part of modern evangelical Christianity, basically trying to co-opt and reclaim all that secular/New Age/self-help stuff for the cause of Christianity, and it's the reason you see so much prosperity gospel and pray-your-way-to-health-and-wealth type stuff and pray-your-way-to-a-promotion/better (married) sex life/better whatever. It's really a departure from traditional theology, which casts sin as the inevitable human condition from which we ALL need redemption (in this model, being gay isn't good, but it's not worse than, say, envy or pride) and poverty and suffering as conditions for which you will be rewarded in heaven. They've really made an American religion, in the worst sense of both words. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>It&#8217;s harmful to people who suffer from serious mental illness as well. They are made to feel that if only they were better Christians, they would be healed. Their continued suffering is evidence of their &#8220;failure&#8221; as Christians.</p>
	<p>This stuff is a huge part of modern evangelical Christianity, basically trying to co-opt and reclaim all that secular/New Age/self-help stuff for the cause of Christianity, and it&#8217;s the reason you see so much prosperity gospel and pray-your-way-to-health-and-wealth type stuff and pray-your-way-to-a-promotion/better (married) sex life/better whatever. It&#8217;s really a departure from traditional theology, which casts sin as the inevitable human condition from which we ALL need redemption (in this model, being gay isn&#8217;t good, but it&#8217;s not worse than, say, envy or pride) and poverty and suffering as conditions for which you will be rewarded in heaven. They&#8217;ve really made an American religion, in the worst sense of both words.
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		<title>by: Roger</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487698</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey you guys might like this McCain spoof site:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnsidneymccain.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Sidney McCain&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey you guys might like this McCain spoof site:  <a href="http://www.johnsidneymccain.com" rel="nofollow">John Sidney McCain</a>
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		<title>by: Godmonkey</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487689</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'll bet they found muscle magazines under Haggard's mattress. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll bet they found muscle magazines under Haggard&#8217;s mattress.
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		<title>by: mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487683</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/06/haggard-quits-pray-away-the-gay-program/#comment-487683</guid>
					<description>I just referenced Haggard in the &quot;country club&quot; thread.

One of the most harmful ideas that's come out of religion in the past 50 years is that religion can &quot;cure&quot; psychological problems.  One of the reasons the molestation scandal in the Catholic Church got so ugly is that they kept sending the priests to programs that would &quot;cure&quot; them of being child molesters by praying really, really hard.  And -- surprise! -- it didn't work, and they continued to molest until some of their victims were able to come forward and turn them in. 

 Not only that, but you ended up with a lot of gay priests who had major adjustment problems because they went to seminary to try and &quot;cure&quot; themselves of being gay and -- again surprise! -- it didn't work because it's not an illness and Jesus isn't going to take it away from you if you just pray real hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I just referenced Haggard in the &#8220;country club&#8221; thread.</p>
	<p>One of the most harmful ideas that&#8217;s come out of religion in the past 50 years is that religion can &#8220;cure&#8221; psychological problems.  One of the reasons the molestation scandal in the Catholic Church got so ugly is that they kept sending the priests to programs that would &#8220;cure&#8221; them of being child molesters by praying really, really hard.  And &#8212; surprise! &#8212; it didn&#8217;t work, and they continued to molest until some of their victims were able to come forward and turn them in. </p>
	<p> Not only that, but you ended up with a lot of gay priests who had major adjustment problems because they went to seminary to try and &#8220;cure&#8221; themselves of being gay and &#8212; again surprise! &#8212; it didn&#8217;t work because it&#8217;s not an illness and Jesus isn&#8217;t going to take it away from you if you just pray real hard.
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