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		<title>by: Phoenician in a time of Romans</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487946</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;A pregnant mother possesses certain inherent rights that are natural intrinsic rights which enjoy affirmative protection under the Constitution of the United States, and under the laws or Constitution of the State of Mississippi; that among these rights are the fundamental rights of the pregnant mother to her relationship with her child; her fundamental right to make decisions that insure the well-being of her child; and her interest in her own health and bodily integrity.&lt;/i&gt;

If a fetus is a child under Mississippi law, abortion is already illegal.  If abortion is legal, a fetus isn't a child.

I'm all for pregant mother's relationships with their children being preserved; her choice whether or not to have additional children by carrying a fetus to term or not is part of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>A pregnant mother possesses certain inherent rights that are natural intrinsic rights which enjoy affirmative protection under the Constitution of the United States, and under the laws or Constitution of the State of Mississippi; that among these rights are the fundamental rights of the pregnant mother to her relationship with her child; her fundamental right to make decisions that insure the well-being of her child; and her interest in her own health and bodily integrity.</i></p>
	<p>If a fetus is a child under Mississippi law, abortion is already illegal.  If abortion is legal, a fetus isn&#8217;t a child.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m all for pregant mother&#8217;s relationships with their children being preserved; her choice whether or not to have additional children by carrying a fetus to term or not is part of that.
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		<title>by: Mezosub</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487844</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What teac said.

Seroj's IRAC summary comes from the St. Louis University School of Law.

Where does SLU rank, anyway...fourth tier?

Oh wait...they couldn't even get on the rankings.

Well, that's what we called &quot;detrimental reliance&quot; in my Torts class.  Caveat emptor, Seroj.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What teac said.</p>
	<p>Seroj&#8217;s IRAC summary comes from the St. Louis University School of Law.</p>
	<p>Where does SLU rank, anyway&#8230;fourth tier?</p>
	<p>Oh wait&#8230;they couldn&#8217;t even get on the rankings.</p>
	<p>Well, that&#8217;s what we called &#8220;detrimental reliance&#8221; in my Torts class.  Caveat emptor, Seroj.
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		<title>by: Atrobean</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487623</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, paul, vampires aside, Eric Rudolph bombed an Olympic park.  What the hell the Olympics had to do with abortion resulted from the delusional and insane rantings of a prolife Christian terrorist.  It is clear that the political agenda was to wage a campaign of terror.  Ergo, the cipher troll Rev. was asserting prolife terrorist propaganda to honor its prolife terrorist hero, much as a follower of Osama bin Laden would do to excuse murdering our fellow citizens.  The utltimate goal of terror is met, with the scale being the only clear difference.

He then invokes arcane religious incantations into his cipher so that those who are supportive yet prone to be shocked and repelled when confronted with the actions of prolife terrorists are then reassured that the mission is of godly origin, which then triggers chemical reactions in the brain that soothe their discomfort.  This is religious prolife terrorism in all its naked simplicity.  The purpose is clearly not to protect lives, but rather to wage a campaign of terror and appeal to those who are sufficiently soothed by religious incantations to overcome their revulsion to committing acts of terrorism.

I'm not an expert on terrorism, but that's how I understand it.  I'm not sure if Carnivore is still used and/or if it is being used to monitor internet exchanges such as this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, paul, vampires aside, Eric Rudolph bombed an Olympic park.  What the hell the Olympics had to do with abortion resulted from the delusional and insane rantings of a prolife Christian terrorist.  It is clear that the political agenda was to wage a campaign of terror.  Ergo, the cipher troll Rev. was asserting prolife terrorist propaganda to honor its prolife terrorist hero, much as a follower of Osama bin Laden would do to excuse murdering our fellow citizens.  The utltimate goal of terror is met, with the scale being the only clear difference.</p>
	<p>He then invokes arcane religious incantations into his cipher so that those who are supportive yet prone to be shocked and repelled when confronted with the actions of prolife terrorists are then reassured that the mission is of godly origin, which then triggers chemical reactions in the brain that soothe their discomfort.  This is religious prolife terrorism in all its naked simplicity.  The purpose is clearly not to protect lives, but rather to wage a campaign of terror and appeal to those who are sufficiently soothed by religious incantations to overcome their revulsion to committing acts of terrorism.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not an expert on terrorism, but that&#8217;s how I understand it.  I&#8217;m not sure if Carnivore is still used and/or if it is being used to monitor internet exchanges such as this.
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		<title>by: teac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487576</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>CORRECTION: &quot;Depends on your school instructor, dude.&quot;

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.threeyearsofhell.com/archive/000802.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for commentary surrounding this statement: &quot;First, to give a summary of the IRAC format [...]: it stands for &lt;i&gt;Issue, Rule, &lt;b&gt;Analysis&lt;/b&gt;, Conclusion&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; (Bold emphasis added.)

Textbook synopses from &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&amp;amp;catalog=lawbookstore&amp;amp;vwcatalog=lawbookstore&amp;amp;query=IRAC&amp;amp;x=0&amp;amp;y=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Legalbooks.com &lt;/a&gt;break IRAC in the same manner, with A = Analysis.

I could continue, but I'm certain you get the point.

Further, my legal writing II prof taught ARAC: Assertion, Rule, &lt;b&gt;Analysis&lt;/b&gt;, Conclusion.

I'm reminded of an old saying: There's more than one way to skin a cat.

And to quote Margalis yet again today: &quot;Fail.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>CORRECTION: &#8220;Depends on your school instructor, dude.&#8221;</p>
	<p>See <a href="http://www.threeyearsofhell.com/archive/000802.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> for commentary surrounding this statement: &#8220;First, to give a summary of the IRAC format [&#8230;]: it stands for <i>Issue, Rule, <b>Analysis</b>, Conclusion</i>.&#8221; (Bold emphasis added.)</p>
	<p>Textbook synopses from <a href="http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?follow-pro=1&amp;catalog=lawbookstore&amp;vwcatalog=lawbookstore&amp;query=IRAC&amp;x=0&amp;y=0" rel="nofollow">Legalbooks.com </a>break IRAC in the same manner, with A = Analysis.</p>
	<p>I could continue, but I&#8217;m certain you get the point.</p>
	<p>Further, my legal writing II prof taught ARAC: Assertion, Rule, <b>Analysis</b>, Conclusion.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m reminded of an old saying: There&#8217;s more than one way to skin a cat.</p>
	<p>And to quote Margalis yet again today: &#8220;Fail.&#8221;
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		<title>by: teac</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487566</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 21:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>seroj,


Depends on your school, dude. And, gee, in order to effectively apply the law to the facts, one must analyze. Hence &quot;Analysis.&quot;

And in any event, your answer neglects to address the substance of my comment - that the criticisms leveled at &lt;i&gt;Carhart&lt;/i&gt; go to Kennedy's reasoning.

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Didn't Ginsberg read her dissent from the bench b/c she was so angry at Kennedy's patronizing attitude in &lt;i&gt;Carhart&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>seroj,</p>
	<p>Depends on your school, dude. And, gee, in order to effectively apply the law to the facts, one must analyze. Hence &#8220;Analysis.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And in any event, your answer neglects to address the substance of my comment - that the criticisms leveled at <i>Carhart</i> go to Kennedy&#8217;s reasoning.</p>
	<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
	<p>Didn&#8217;t Ginsberg read her dissent from the bench b/c she was so angry at Kennedy&#8217;s patronizing attitude in <i>Carhart</i>?
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		<title>by: Ismone</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487542</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dianne,

That was an awesome comment.  :)

Ismone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dianne,</p>
	<p>That was an awesome comment.  <img src='http://pandagon.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Ismone
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		<title>by: paul</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487538</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm still hung up a little on that troll rev's bit about whose rights need to be protected with force. He seems to be arguing, by implication, that vampires must be protected by the full power of the state unless we can prove that, despite being demonic entities, they have the &lt;i&gt;mens rea&lt;/i&gt; to know that what they're doing is morally wrong, and the specific intent to permanently injure or kill, rather than merely inconvenience their victims....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m still hung up a little on that troll rev&#8217;s bit about whose rights need to be protected with force. He seems to be arguing, by implication, that vampires must be protected by the full power of the state unless we can prove that, despite being demonic entities, they have the <i>mens rea</i> to know that what they&#8217;re doing is morally wrong, and the specific intent to permanently injure or kill, rather than merely inconvenience their victims&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Margalis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487468</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maybe I should just copy and paste Ginsburg's dissenting opinion? Since clearly Seroj didn't read that either.

I'm eagerly awaiting a response from him that is something more that &quot;nuh-uh!&quot; &quot;No you're wrong!&quot; is not really a powerful legal argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Maybe I should just copy and paste Ginsburg&#8217;s dissenting opinion? Since clearly Seroj didn&#8217;t read that either.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m eagerly awaiting a response from him that is something more that &#8220;nuh-uh!&#8221; &#8220;No you&#8217;re wrong!&#8221; is not really a powerful legal argument.
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		<title>by: Margalis</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487459</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Amanda’s point was that the take away (or holding) of Carhart v Gonzalez, or of the Partial Birth Abortion law iself, was to protect women from themselves.

Let’s be clear that this is false, and laughably so.
...
Amanda apparently gets her law via slate.com. So I do give you credit for actually reading the case. Beyond that you are arguing that a marginal paragraph is the heart of the opinion. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You still obviously haven't read it. Notice how I am citing page numbers and passages, and you...aren't. Curious. Why it's almost as if you have no idea WTF you are talking about.

That &quot;marginal paragraph&quot; was several pages long and it was not dicta. Those paragraphs about the guilt women feel were used in this specific case to show that the state has a compelling interest to interfere and was directly relevant.

Fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>
Amanda’s point was that the take away (or holding) of Carhart v Gonzalez, or of the Partial Birth Abortion law iself, was to protect women from themselves.</p>
	<p>Let’s be clear that this is false, and laughably so.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Amanda apparently gets her law via slate.com. So I do give you credit for actually reading the case. Beyond that you are arguing that a marginal paragraph is the heart of the opinion.
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	<p>You still obviously haven&#8217;t read it. Notice how I am citing page numbers and passages, and you&#8230;aren&#8217;t. Curious. Why it&#8217;s almost as if you have no idea WTF you are talking about.</p>
	<p>That &#8220;marginal paragraph&#8221; was several pages long and it was not dicta. Those paragraphs about the guilt women feel were used in this specific case to show that the state has a compelling interest to interfere and was directly relevant.</p>
	<p>Fail.
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		<title>by: seroj</title>
		<link>http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2008/02/04/6686/#comment-487458</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;seroj, dude. Don’t you rememer IRAC?&quot;

Totally, dude. It's just that you got the &quot;A&quot; part wrong, though. It's Application, not Analysis.

http://law.slu.edu/academic_support/irac.html

 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;seroj, dude. Don’t you rememer IRAC?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Totally, dude. It&#8217;s just that you got the &#8220;A&#8221; part wrong, though. It&#8217;s Application, not Analysis.</p>
	<p><a href='http://law.slu.edu/academic_support/irac.html' rel='nofollow'>http://law.slu.edu/academic_support/irac.html</a>
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